# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1320
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26385 "2018-10-11T17:39:57Z")
Bipolar Kanye drops a “motherfucker” bomb in the middle of a televised Oval Office meeting with Trump. > ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26386 "2018-10-11T17:49:05Z")
Trump just said he doesn’t care if foreign governments murder US residents if the government does business with us. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26387 "2018-10-11T17:51:52Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Bipolar Kanye drops a “motherfucker” bomb in the middle of a televised Oval Office meeting with Trump. > > [https://twitter.com/AprilDRyan/status/1050433797890732033?s=19](https://twitter.com/AprilDRyan/status/1050433797890732033?s=19) Kanye West? What in the hell is he doing in the Oval Office in the fist place? This country has completely gone over the edge. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26388 "2018-10-11T17:58:35Z")
What did Charles Bronson portray in the film Mr. Majestyk? Melon farmer What do you call Joan of Arc’s dressmaker? A martyr frocker. Well, _motherfucker!_ ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26389 "2018-10-11T18:01:06Z")
I saw on Twitter that West pulled out his phone in the Oval Office too. I would have thought outsiders weren’t allowed to bring phones in there. Anyway, I don’t care about Trump meeting West per se. I mean, it’s not like he invited Common to the White House. That was an outrage! This is Trump showing his understanding of today’s youth. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26390 "2018-10-11T18:14:01Z")
CNN called him Trump’s “Token Negro” and of course the right is pretending to be outraged. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26391 "2018-10-11T18:23:06Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > I saw on Twitter that West pulled out his phone in the Oval Office too. I would have thought outsiders weren’t allowed to bring phones in there. . Not only that, he unlocked it on TV. His code is 000000. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26392 "2018-10-11T18:29:00Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > CNN called him Trump’s “Token Negro” and of course the right is pretending to be outraged. Tara Setmayer, the analyst who used the phrase, is a Republican. She was the communications director for Dana Rohrabacher, among other positions. > **[Tara Setmayer](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tara_Setmayer)** > > Tara Olivia Setmayer (born September 9, 1975) is a former CNN political commentator, contributor to ABC News and former GOP communications director on Capitol Hill. She has appeared on ABC's The View, ABC's Good Morning America, and on HBO's Real Time with Bill Maher. On January 9, 2020, Setmayer was named as a Harvard Institute of Politics Spring 2020 Resident Fellow. Also in January 2020, she joined The Lincoln Project as a senior advisor and hosts the live show The Breakdown alongside co Setma... It sounds like others on the panel were saying similar things, and I also think the use of “token negro” is worthy of condemnation. I just hope those attacking the “racist left” make a note of this. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26393 "2018-10-11T18:35:43Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > There’s a longstanding practice in journalism of distinguishing between a lie and a falsehood. A falsehood is a statement that is factually not true. A lie is when somebody intentionally says something that they know is not true. The difference is intent. And reporters are training to only report what they objectively observe not what they infer. And obviously what a person is thinking can only be inferred. > > … [snip] … > > …With Trump, it’s impossible to guess; he’s a near equal balance of deceit and stupidity, so when he says something that’s false, you never know where it’s coming from. And this is why a lie can get halfway around the world before the truth can put its shoes on. EVERYTHING Turmp says is intended to deceive, even when it’s something that’s objectively true. And reporters using nuanced distinction of five-dollar words instead of calling lies lies, they’re relinquishing the truth to him. The lie becomes real when they say “claimed without evidence” or “incorrectly stated” or “falsehood.” Conmen have long weaponized such weasely indecision when caught. The press is helping him lie. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26394 "2018-10-11T18:50:54Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Not only that, he unlocked it on TV. His code is 000000. [Obligatory video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6iW-8xPw3k). ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26395 "2018-10-11T19:20:53Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > [Obligatory video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6iW-8xPw3k). [Paraphrasing “Family Guy”] Kanye: Donald, there’s a message in my Alpha-bits! It says “ooooooooo” Trump: Kanye, those are Cheerios. [/paraphrasing Family Guy] ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26396 "2018-10-11T19:32:33Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > CNN called him Trump’s “Token Negro” and of course the right is pretending to be outraged. Because that would be Ben Carson? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26397 "2018-10-11T19:43:48Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > What in the hell is he doing in the Oval Office in the fist place? I would venture to guess that, since the Oval Office is in the **West** Wing, Kanye must have figured the whole place belongs to him. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26398 "2018-10-11T19:47:56Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > Tara Setmayer, the analyst who used the phrase, is a Republican. She was the communications director for Dana Rohrabacher, among other positions. > > [Tara Setmayer - Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tara_Setmayer) > > It sounds like others on the panel were saying similar things, and I also think the use of “token negro” is worthy of condemnation. I just hope those attacking the “racist left” make a note of this. She’s also black, or at least mixed race. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26399 "2018-10-11T20:25:20Z")
> [@romansperson](#): > > Looks like even Fox is getting tired of the shtick: > > [Trump, no longer ratings gold, loses his prime-time spot on Fox News](https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/10/trump-tv-ratings-fox-news-891621) > > The rallies are no longer getting better ratings than regular programming. > [@running\_coach](#): > > If true, this is funny as _hell_. > > [Trump has reportedly tried to fire John Kelly, but fails because he usually uses Kelly to fire people](https://start.att.net/news/read/article/business_insider-trump_has_reportedly_tried_to_fire_john_kelly_but-newscred2/category/news+) > > 😃 😃 😃 I woke up SOOO depressed today, and these two posts cheered me up immensely. I needed that. I love you guys. > [@enipla](#): > > Kanye West? What in the hell is he doing in the Oval Office in the fist place? This country has completely gone over the edge. Maybe he’s Nicky’s replacement? > [@Shoeless](#): > > Because that would be Ben Carson? Yeah, but does Ben qualify as an Authentic Negro? Hmmm… that raises the question of whether the Token Negro HAS to be a Authentic Negro? I’m not sure. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26400 "2018-10-11T20:44:41Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Maybe he’s Nicky’s replacement? Or, um, Sarah’s replacement? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26401 "2018-10-11T20:48:57Z")
I gather the defeat of Trump come not from opposition (which he loves, as it means people are paying attention to him) but indifference. Do not feed the president. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26402 "2018-10-11T20:54:18Z")
So in 2016, Trump wanted higher interest rates, which is partly why Janet Yellen is no longer Fed Chair. So then he picks Jerome Powell, who raises interest rates, and now Powell is crazy. Fake billionaire, time to show your tax returns and prove to us you have even a basic understanding of how capitalism works. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26403 "2018-10-11T21:06:14Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > Tara Setmayer, the analyst who used the phrase, is a Republican. She was the communications director for Dana Rohrabacher, among other positions. > > [Tara Setmayer - Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tara_Setmayer) > > It sounds like others on the panel were saying similar things, and I also think the use of “token negro” is worthy of condemnation. I just hope those attacking the “racist left” make a note of this. The term just means that this is what Trump thinks of them. It’s condemnation of Trump. And you will have a hard time arguing that a black person doesn’t have lesser n-word privileges. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26404 "2018-10-11T21:07:33Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Kanye West? What in the hell is he doing in the Oval Office in the fist place? This country has completely gone over the edge. I do love how he changed his name, and no one, not even his fans, care to call him by that name. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1319) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1321)