# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1327
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26525 "2018-10-18T20:59:13Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Bolton and Kelly got into a screaming match in the West Wing. > [https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/18/politics/john-kelly-john-bolton-immigration/index.html?utm\_source=CNN-News-Alerts](https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/18/politics/john-kelly-john-bolton-immigration/index.html?utm_source=CNN-News-Alerts) Looks like the Walrus is starting to throw his weight around. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26526 "2018-10-18T21:05:06Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > **Trump insists White House is a ‘well-oiled machine’ amid op-ed craze** The problem is, the oil is on fire. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26527 "2018-10-18T21:56:21Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > The problem is, the oil is on fire. And the machine is a Fleshlight. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26528 "2018-10-18T22:04:22Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > And the machine is a Fleshlight. [Heh.](https://www.collectedcurios.com/sequentialart.php?s=985) ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26529 "2018-10-18T22:39:19Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > [Heh.](https://www.collectedcurios.com/sequentialart.php?s=985) Guessing not many people are going to click on your link. ---
**Author:** ![duality72](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duality72/32/3910_2.png) [@duality72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duality72)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26530 "2018-10-18T23:03:54Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Guessing not many people are going to click on your link. I did. I was not disappointed. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26531 "2018-10-18T23:40:36Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Bolton and Kelly got into a screaming match in the West Wing. > [https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/18/politics/john-kelly-john-bolton-immigration/index.html?utm\_source=CNN-News-Alerts](https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/18/politics/john-kelly-john-bolton-immigration/index.html?utm_source=CNN-News-Alerts) Prediction: Nielsen is the next _Apprentice_ flunkie by, say, Nov. 20. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26532 "2018-10-19T00:01:40Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Bolton and Kelly got into a screaming match in the West Wing. > [https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/18/politics/john-kelly-john-bolton-immigration/index.html?utm\_source=CNN-News-Alerts](https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/18/politics/john-kelly-john-bolton-immigration/index.html?utm_source=CNN-News-Alerts) Christ. I pull something like that and I get a written warning. Just business as usual in Spock’s Beard Universe Presidenting. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26533 "2018-10-19T01:03:34Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Prediction: Nielsen is the next _Apprentice_ flunkie by, say, Nov. 20. Let’s hope you’re correct. I love good news on my birthday. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26534 "2018-10-19T01:21:03Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Prediction: Nielsen is the next _Apprentice_ flunkie by, say, Nov. 20. Or John Kelly. I suspect that part of the rub is having the Walrus, who was one of the armchair warriors who goaded us into the Iraq debacle, dictate to John Kelly - a real warrior - how to best use the military. I rather think that John Kelly was of the opinion that using the US armed forces to stop a border control problem was a particularly good example of best use. I suspect that the few remaining adults in the room are on their way out. It started with McGahn. Kelly and Mattis are soon to follow. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26535 "2018-10-19T01:23:06Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Let’s hope you’re correct. I love good news on my birthday. But if she gets replaced, it will be someone more to Bolton’s and Don’s liking, someone who probably isn’t a family type. And _in the mystical future_ b-day tidings. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26536 "2018-10-19T03:10:14Z")
Re: trade war Remember the Viet Nam war. America inflicted great damage on Vietnam, killing many more of their troops and civilians than they they did us. And yet…we lost the war. That’s how I see our trade war with China. There will be major consequences for China - already are. But they’re going to fight to defend their sovereignty, and they have no elections – we do. We don’t have a high tolerance for pain. China does. We can think we’re ‘winning’…and lose. That’s probably how this ends. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26537 "2018-10-19T03:21:32Z")
Of course that’s how this ends: China has all the leverage. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26538 "2018-10-19T03:24:15Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Of course that’s how this ends: China has all the leverage. They do, and they don’t. The reality is, I fucking hate Xi Jinping. Shit-ass head of state. Thug. Dictator. Rapes his own people. I’ve wanted Xi to have his come-uppance for a while…I just never thought it would be from a doofus like Trump. Ambivalence: word of the day. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26539 "2018-10-19T04:51:14Z")
> [@](#): > > Trump, who was incensed about the rising levels of migrants and threatened to shut down the southern border on Twitter earlier that morning From the fight between The Walrus and Kelly. Does Trump think a border is a lemonade stand? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26540 "2018-10-19T05:32:44Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > they have no elections – we do. Actually, China does have some elections. They’re just not for anything really important. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26541 "2018-10-19T05:33:27Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > … deserving republicans, … AH, HAHAHA!! _giggle_ _snort_ Hoo-eee, now THAT was funny. 😃 I voted this evening and dropped the ballot off at the post office. Republican filth, drop dead and then go fuck yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26542 "2018-10-19T13:21:19Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Bolton and Kelly got into a screaming match in the West Wing. > [https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/18/politics/john-kelly-john-bolton-immigration/index.html?utm\_source=CNN-News-Alerts](https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/18/politics/john-kelly-john-bolton-immigration/index.html?utm_source=CNN-News-Alerts) As Stephen Colbert called them last night, “the White House’s own Statler and Waldorf.” ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26543 "2018-10-19T13:39:07Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Prediction: Nielsen is the next _Apprentice_ flunkie by, say, Nov. 20. I dunno. Who’s going to fire her? Not Trump - he’s too chicken shit to actually fire someone, and I don’t see Kelly firing his former deputy. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2018, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26544 "2018-10-19T14:18:04Z")
> [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > I dunno. Who’s going to fire her? Not Trump - he’s too chicken shit to actually fire someone, and I don’t see Kelly firing his former deputy. I hope you’re right considering the next SHS\* would, without question, be a much scarier one if Staler and Waldorf get their way. \*That’s Secretary of Homeland Security. Not…well…you know. Although a Sarah clone _would_ be an interesting thought. A couple weeks ago Nielson claimed that there’s been no [Chinese election meddling,](https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/The-Cybersecurity-202-No-indication-China-13277561.php) but I don’t find myself too convinced of that. And of course this contradicts Cheetoface’s claim, about a week before Nielson’s announcement, that there _are_ Chinese cyberthreats. Only the best team communication. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1326) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1328)