# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1331
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26605 "2018-10-22T22:47:26Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [Trump says he’s working on another tax cut, but _this_ time it’ll be for the middle class](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/21/18005468/trump-tax-cut-middle-class-2-0):“What worked last time? Let’s just say we’ll do more of that!” > > :rolleyes: [More on promised tax cut](https://apnews.com/3b0807b4935e41fca3fcb3ce4549a2ac) (and IMO more evidence Trump doesn’t really understand how the US federal government works): > [@](#): > > President Donald Trump says he wants to push a new middle-income tax cut through Congress after the midterm elections. > > Trump says he’s looking to cut middle-income taxes about 10 percent after signing a tax bill last year. > > He tells reporters as he left the White House for a Texas rally that “we’re doing it now for middle-income people. This is not for business. This is for middle.” > > Trump said over the weekend that he hoped to move forward with the plan “sometime around” or before Nov. 1. > > But Congress is currently out of session as lawmakers campaign for the Nov. 6 election. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26606 "2018-10-22T23:33:00Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > (and IMO more evidence Trump doesn’t really understand how the US federal government works): Uh, this is clearly an election ploy. I’d say he has a clear understanding that he needs for the House to not go to D. He’s offering a bribe for that to not happen. Only an idiot would think that this would happen, even if the Rs stay in control But idiots are who he has to rely on. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26607 "2018-10-23T00:30:58Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Oh sure: you know that and I know that. As you say, tho, many people don’t know that and will be fooled by these words, as happens with every goddamned ridiculous lie a Republican says. And holy fuck Republicans tell a lot of lies. > [@aurora\_maire](#): > > (my bold) The problem is that Republicans voters have been doing that for years! And they still haven’t figured out that is never going to happen. Look at the way Republican candidates are suddenly all about “protecting pre-existing conditions” in healthcare reform. Except they voted to get rid of the program that did exactly that. And had years to come up with some other plan and wouldn’t do it. They know that their voters are concerned about that and they need the rubes to accept that lie and vote for them anyway. And they will. So long as Trump and his acolytes keep that sweet white-supremacist content coming, whether through dog-whistle or bullhorn, their voters will vote to end their _own_ pre-existing conditions coverage, Social Security checks, and Medicare benefits. Yummy yummy white-supremacist content!!1!!!1!!! It’s more addictive than any pharmaceutical! ---
**Author:** ![JB99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/439d5e/32.png) [@JB99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JB99)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26608 "2018-10-23T01:45:34Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [More on promised tax cut](https://apnews.com/3b0807b4935e41fca3fcb3ce4549a2ac) (and IMO more evidence Trump doesn’t really understand how the US federal government works): This is where we need to stop. It’s not that Trump doesn’t know. It’s that he doesn’t care. He’ll say it’s a ten percent tax cut. Then tomorrow it will be twenty. Then by Thursday it will thirty. And on Friday he’ll deny ever having said it at all. And he’ll be off lying about something else while the base while the base screams about the stupid libtards. Rationality is not part of the equation. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26609 "2018-10-23T02:01:58Z")
> [@JB99](#): > > This is where we need to stop. It’s not that Trump doesn’t know. It’s that he doesn’t care. He’ll say it’s a ten percent tax cut. Then tomorrow it will be twenty. Then by Thursday it will thirty. And on Friday he’ll deny ever having said it at all. And he’ll be off lying about something else while the base while the base screams about the stupid libtards. > > Rationality is not part of the equation. [Thump: “It doesn’t matter.”](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21279152&postcount=26565) ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26610 "2018-10-23T02:06:20Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I wish people wouldn’t harp on that tune. It might just discourage voters and keep them home. I was trying to encourage people to not be complacent. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26611 "2018-10-23T02:21:39Z")
([Shitgibbon](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/412645-trump-khashoggis-death-was-a-plot-gone-awry))\* said Monday that he is “not satisfied” with the Saudi explanation for Khashoggi’s death after initially saying last week that he found the explanation to be credible. He told The Washington Post in an interview over the weekend that the Saudi’s “stories are all over the place” and said “there’s been deception and there’s been lies.”\* Lies? Does he know the difference between lies and the things that are not lies? ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26612 "2018-10-23T02:54:38Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Doubling down on his claim that you’re a “baby” if you question his claim that the caravan coming up though Mexico is full of “criminals”, Trump now is claiming that it’s full of “unknown Middle Easterners.” One wonders what Middle Easterners think that the best way to get into the US is to fly to Central America and try to break through the border of Mexico and then the US. Perhaps the Great Pumpkin is concerned about his son in law’s best buddy the bone sawyer’s boss. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26613 "2018-10-23T03:01:28Z")
Trump declares himself a nationalist. [https://theguardiansofdemocracy.com/trump-proudly-declares-he-is-a-nationalist-were-not-supposed-to-use-that-word/?fbclid=IwAR3dprYgeNR4615d2HaYor-gWX-6tFAl7zbLMk7YMi3AlQWlLCotRuyrC1Y](https://theguardiansofdemocracy.com/trump-proudly-declares-he-is-a-nationalist-were-not-supposed-to-use-that-word/?fbclid=IwAR3dprYgeNR4615d2HaYor-gWX-6tFAl7zbLMk7YMi3AlQWlLCotRuyrC1Y) Nice accomanying photo. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26614 "2018-10-23T03:22:38Z")
A woman falls asleep on a plane, wakes up to a man touching her under her sweater. She thinks it was an accident and goes back to sleep. And then it happens again. On landing, the man is arrested, shocked, because, the president of the United States “says it’s OK to grab women by their private parts.” [https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Man-arrested-for-groping-woman-on-flight-says-13327574.php](https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Man-arrested-for-groping-woman-on-flight-says-13327574.php)? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26615 "2018-10-23T04:05:25Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > A woman falls asleep on a plane, wakes up to a man touching her under her sweater. She thinks it was an accident and goes back to sleep. And then it happens again. On landing, the man is arrested, shocked, because, the president of the United States “says it’s OK to grab women by their private parts.” > [https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Man-arrested-for-groping-woman-on-flight-says-13327574.php](https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Man-arrested-for-groping-woman-on-flight-says-13327574.php)? I think that’s called “The Trump Effect”. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26616 "2018-10-23T04:08:09Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Trump declares himself a nationalist. > [https://theguardiansofdemocracy.com/trump-proudly-declares-he-is-a-nationalist-were-not-supposed-to-use-that-word/?fbclid=IwAR3dprYgeNR4615d2HaYor-gWX-6tFAl7zbLMk7YMi3AlQWlLCotRuyrC1Y](https://theguardiansofdemocracy.com/trump-proudly-declares-he-is-a-nationalist-were-not-supposed-to-use-that-word/?fbclid=IwAR3dprYgeNR4615d2HaYor-gWX-6tFAl7zbLMk7YMi3AlQWlLCotRuyrC1Y) > > Nice accomanying photo. I could swear I heard rightists freaking out about Obama making some kind of gesture. And, by the way, nice terminology the tangerine twerp is using: “Globalist”. Take a wild guess to whom that refers. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26617 "2018-10-23T04:33:23Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > …It’s more addictive than any pharmaceutical! Crystal meth is better, healthwise. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26618 "2018-10-23T05:43:44Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > One wonders what Middle Easterners think that the best way to get into the US is to fly to Central America and try to break through the border of Mexico and then the US. Hey, it worked for Selma Hayek’s dad! (has he even been to the US?) ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26619 "2018-10-23T05:49:32Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > One wonders what Middle Easterners think that the best way to get into the US is to fly to Central America and try to break through the border of Mexico and then the US. Shortly after 9/11, one of my old college buddies in Texas told me he was absolutely convinced Muslim terrorists were blending in with Mexican migrants crossing the border illegally. I think he was fairly representative of the Bozos in that benighted state. ---
**Author:** ![Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/channing_idaho_banks/32/250_2.png) [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Channing_Idaho_Banks)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26620 "2018-10-23T08:38:47Z")
just wanted to point out that this thread has reached the 666th section of the forum counter on my display. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26621 "2018-10-23T11:44:55Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > ([Shitgibbon](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/412645-trump-khashoggis-death-was-a-plot-gone-awry))\* said Monday that he is “not satisfied” with the Saudi explanation for Khashoggi’s death after initially saying last week that he found the explanation to be credible. He told The Washington Post in an interview over the weekend that the Saudi’s “stories are all over the place” and said “there’s been deception and there’s been lies.”\* > > Lies? Does he know the difference between lies and the things that are not lies? In a word: no. ---
**Author:** ![River\_Hippie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/river_hippie/32/26_2.png) [@River\_Hippie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/River_Hippie)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26622 "2018-10-23T13:12:09Z")
[Islam in Mexico.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Mexico) ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26623 "2018-10-23T13:25:27Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > In a word: no. He either says what he wants things to be, or what his voters want things to be. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/26624 "2018-10-23T14:03:45Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > He either says what he wants things to be, or what his voters want things to be. At that moment. We’re dealing with the attention span of a goldfish. (Apologies to goldfish.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1330) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1332)