# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1358
**Author:** ![steatopygia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steatopygia/32/3132_2.png) [@steatopygia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steatopygia)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2018, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27145 "2018-11-13T00:25:24Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Hm. Reports I read said it was today and he declined. Other reports say no, it was yesterday, when he was flying back. So I’ll withdraw that one complaint. The story I saw said yesterday. The problem is that Trump does so much completely outrageous stupid shit, that we are ready to believe anything. It is not because we are so partisan. It is because he says and does unbelievably stupid stuff constantly. ETA I would like to than you for your diligent news posting. I know others have thanked you in the past, but here’s another poster that is grateful. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2018, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27146 "2018-11-13T00:49:15Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Hm. Reports I read said it was today and he declined. Other reports say no, it was yesterday, when he was flying back. So I’ll withdraw that one complaint. FOX news seems to agree that he (and vp) skipped out - > **[Trump, Pence miss Veterans Day observance at Arlington Cemetery](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-pence-miss-veterans-day-observance-at-arlington-cemetery)** > > President Trump is spending Monday at the White House and had no plans to visit Arlington National Cemetery in northern Virginia as America observes the Veterans Day holiday. On the current front page of foxnews is an image and the words “Noticeably Absent” with the headline of “Trump, Pence miss Veterans Day observance at Arlington Cemetery” – ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2018, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27147 "2018-11-13T01:08:10Z")
> [@simster](#): > > FOX news seems to agree that he (and vp) skipped out - > > [Trump, Pence miss Veterans Day observance at Arlington Cemetery | Fox News](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-pence-miss-veterans-day-observance-at-arlington-cemetery) > > On the current front page of foxnews is an image and the words “Noticeably Absent” with the headline of “Trump, Pence miss Veterans Day observance at Arlington Cemetery” – [From Salon.](https://www.salon.com/2018/11/12/as-country-observes-veterans-day-trump-targets-democrats-and-absentee-voters_partners/) > [@](#): > > After reports confirmed that the president had skipped a ceremony at the Aisle-Marne American Cemetery on Saturday due to the rain, Monday’s travel lid from the White House revealed Trump would also be skipping a Veterans Day ceremony at Arlington National Cemetery. > > While millions of Americans observed Veteran’s Day over the weekend, President Trump vouched for shelter from the rain and attacks against Democrats on Twitter **from his golf club in New Jersey.** > > It is an unofficial tradition for the president to visit the Virginian cemetery on Veteran’s Day, but this year, Trump had other worries at hand. Early Monday morning, the White House announced to the press that the president would not make any more public appearances today. From his golf club. FUCK. Anyone hear anything from Republicans? ---
**Author:** ![Turek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/turek/32/18782_2.png) [@Turek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turek)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2018, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27148 "2018-11-13T01:25:37Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > [From Salon.](https://www.salon.com/2018/11/12/as-country-observes-veterans-day-trump-targets-democrats-and-absentee-voters_partners/) > > From his golf club. > FUCK. > > Anyone hear anything from Republicans? “What’d he shoot?” ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2018, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27149 "2018-11-13T01:25:38Z")
_Hey, I play golf on Sundays. It fell on a Sunday. One has one’s priorities_. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2018, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27150 "2018-11-13T01:50:48Z")
I don’t think republicans care at all that he played golf - at least he played a white sport like golf and not a sport for minorities like basketball or a sport for foreigners like soccer. It’s not that important to repubs because everyone knows they love the military and democrats hate it. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2018, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27151 "2018-11-13T02:05:28Z")
> [@Turek](#): > > “What’d he shoot?” Himself in the foot. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2018, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27152 "2018-11-13T02:08:14Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > [From Salon.](https://www.salon.com/2018/11/12/as-country-observes-veterans-day-trump-targets-democrats-and-absentee-voters_partners/) > > From his golf club. > FUCK. > > Anyone hear anything from Republicans? Aside from cries of “fake news!” whenever presented with evidence of Trump being an awful person or president? No. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2018, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27153 "2018-11-13T02:10:48Z")
Even by Trump standards, this was an incredibly stupid move. Trump’s military credentials are already shaky and that’s a subject his base cares about. Hell, it’s a subject Trump himself has pumped up to use against other people. ---
**Author:** ![River\_Hippie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/river_hippie/32/26_2.png) [@River\_Hippie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/River_Hippie)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2018, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27154 "2018-11-13T02:27:29Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I don’t think republicans care at all that he played golf - at least he played a white sport like golf and not a sport for minorities like basketball or a sport for foreigners like soccer. It’s not that important to repubs because everyone knows they love the military and democrats hate it. Ha! Trump playing soccer (or any sport that boosts your heart rate) is crazy. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2018, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27155 "2018-11-13T03:22:46Z")
[**Trump Decides Not To Leave WH To Visit Arlington Cemetery On Veteran’s Day**](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-wont-visit-arlington-cemetery-veterans-day) > [@](#): > > According to Washington Post White House reporter Josh Dawsey, President Donald Trump put a “lid” on all activity at 10 AM and thus will not be leaving the White House to visit Arlington National Cemetery on Veteran’s Day. > > ``` > A lid at 10 AM. Trump will have no movements today, per White House. > > — Josh Dawsey (@jdawsey1) November 12, 2018 > > ``` > > … “No movements”? I guess that means no tweets from the bathroom, eh? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2018, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27156 "2018-11-13T03:24:40Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Even by Trump standards, this was an incredibly stupid move. Trump’s military credentials are already shaky and that’s a subject his base cares about. Hell, it’s a subject Trump himself has pumped up to use against other people. On top of his trying to get military absentee ballots thrown out in Florida. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2018, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27157 "2018-11-13T04:02:52Z")
[Trump is preparing to remove Kirstjen Nielsen as Homeland Security secretary, aides say](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-is-preparing-to-remove-kirstjen-nielsen-as-homeland-security-secretary-aides-say/2018/11/12/77111496-e6b0-11e8-bbdb-72fdbf9d4fed_story.html?utm_term=.3b7e97c4c020). > [@](#): > > President Trump has told advisers he has decided to remove Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen, and her departure from the administration is likely to occur in the coming weeks, if not sooner, according to five current and former White House officials. > Trump canceled a planned trip with Nielsen this week to visit U.S. troops at the border in South Texas and told aides over the weekend he wants her out as soon as possible, these officials said. The president has grumbled for months about what he views as Nielsen’s lackluster performance on immigration enforcement and is believed to be looking for a replacement who will implement his policy ideas with more alacrity. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2018, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27158 "2018-11-13T04:44:19Z")
> [@galen\_ubal](#): > > [Trump is preparing to remove Kirstjen Nielsen as Homeland Security secretary, aides say](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-is-preparing-to-remove-kirstjen-nielsen-as-homeland-security-secretary-aides-say/2018/11/12/77111496-e6b0-11e8-bbdb-72fdbf9d4fed_story.html?utm_term=.3b7e97c4c020). I hear that Jeff Sessions is looking for a job… ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2018, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27159 "2018-11-13T07:33:36Z")
And President Shitstain did NOTHING to commemorate Veterans Day. Nothing whatsoever in an official capacity. Not even a tweet. Yeah, keep voting Republican, military. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2018, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27160 "2018-11-13T11:35:09Z")
> [@galen\_ubal](#): > > [Trump is preparing to remove Kirstjen Nielsen as Homeland Security secretary, aides say](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-is-preparing-to-remove-kirstjen-nielsen-as-homeland-security-secretary-aides-say/2018/11/12/77111496-e6b0-11e8-bbdb-72fdbf9d4fed_story.html?utm_term=.3b7e97c4c020). This might mean that he intends to get filthy on matters of immigration. Stephen Miller and John Bolton win; John Kelly and his understudy lose. I wonder how much more of this Kelly can take. I kinda suspect that pushing Nielsen out the door is as much about pushing Kelly out as it is Nielsen. Soon we’ll have a White House of wolves. If you’re going to assault the Constitution and democracy, you don’t want people standing in your way. You don’t want lawyers and patriotic duty-bound ex-military resisting your impulses. You want ideologues and crackpots enabling you. This is where we’re headed. And it’s about to get fucking nasty. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2018, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27161 "2018-11-13T12:26:56Z")
Nielsen and Kelly are not moderates. They just know not to wear their hoods in public. The rumor I see going around is Nielsen and Mattis out, Graham in at DOD and Cotton in at DHS. ---
**Author:** ![bobkitty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c67d28/32.png) [@bobkitty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobkitty)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2018, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27162 "2018-11-13T12:30:29Z")
Kelly, as far as I’m concerned, can go fuck himself. He showed his true colors early and often (remember the comment about the press when he was holding a sword?), and isn’t about to get a redemption ticket from me. The only unsullied members of this administration are Mattis and Dunford. List of Medal of Freedom awardees announced today. Bunch of dead people (cause they can’t turn him down) and a GOP megadonor. I guess if I’d given $100 million to the GOP I’d be expecting an award too. I can’t wait to hear what he highlights as her achievements that will put her on par with other recipients. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2018, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27163 "2018-11-13T13:20:14Z")
> [@simster](#): > > FOX news seems to agree that he (and vp) skipped out - > > [Trump, Pence miss Veterans Day observance at Arlington Cemetery | Fox News](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-pence-miss-veterans-day-observance-at-arlington-cemetery) > > On the current front page of foxnews is an image and the words “Noticeably Absent” with the headline of “Trump, Pence miss Veterans Day observance at Arlington Cemetery” – [Here is the story I was remembering](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/27/AR2010052702696.html?noredirect=on) - Obama skips Arlington to go to a different national cemetery on Memorial Day, and got crucified for it (Biden did Arlington that year). ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2018, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27164 "2018-11-13T13:20:15Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Nielsen and Kelly are not moderates. They just know not to wear their hoods in public. > > The rumor I see going around is Nielsen and Mattis out, Graham in at DOD and Cotton in at DHS. I think Mattis is definitely out. Mattis isn’t going to be on board with plans to hyper-politicize the military, and I think that’s what’s on tap next. I acknowledge that I have no evidence to support it at the present time, but the logic is that if you’re done with democracy, which I think the Trumpists are, then you load the institutions with ideologues. Replace independent and objective judges with ideologues. Replace prosecutors, federal police, and the military generals with ideologues and loyalists. That way, if democracy votes against the conservatives in 2020, they’ll have people in power who have less respect for constitutional norms like the peaceful transition of power. As we get closer to the election and as the possible outcomes come into clearer focus, I would also watch more carefully to see what happens to electors in right-leaning or “purple” states. I don’t put it past the conservatives to tinker with the electors. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1357) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1359)