# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1375
**Author:** ![JB99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/439d5e/32.png) [@JB99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JB99)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2018, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27485 "2018-11-26T12:18:13Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > The US is[firing tear gas](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46339085) into Mexico at children. We are a horrible people. Having read the actual article, you cite the “firing tear gas at children” part but ignore this: > [@](#): > > Several hundred managed to climb over the first barrier, according to Agence France-Press news agency. It was as they tried to cross a second, spike-topped wall that officials on the US side began firing tear gas. I honestly don’t see the problem. I’m all for treating these people with compassion and offering them help and a legal path to entry, but if they are going to act like animals they can fuck off and go back where they came from. If you don’t want your kids to get gassed, don’t try to hurdle a fence right in front of the cops! Duh! ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2018, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27486 "2018-11-26T12:33:37Z")
> [@JB99](#): > > Having read the actual article, you cite the “firing tear gas at children” part but ignore this: > > I honestly don’t see the problem. I’m all for treating these people with compassion and offering them help and a legal path to entry, but if they are going to act like animals they can fuck off and go back where they came from. > > If you don’t want your kids to get gassed, don’t try to hurdle a fence right in front of the cops! Duh! Uh, it is very likely that those jumpers did not have little children with them. As usual, it is the ones that are not doing the illegal thing the ones who get affected. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2018, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27487 "2018-11-26T12:55:48Z")
> [@JB99](#): > > Having read the actual article, you cite the “firing tear gas at children” part but ignore this: > > I honestly don’t see the problem. I’m all for treating these people with compassion and offering them help and a legal path to entry, but if they are going to act like animals they can fuck off and go back where they came from. > > If you don’t want your kids to get gassed, don’t try to hurdle a fence right in front of the cops! Duh! They “act like animals” because they’ve led a pretty harsh existence, which doesn’t entitle them to be able to jump a fence, but I think it entitles them to some compassion and understanding. The real issue, as I (and apparently others) see it, is that rather than working with Mexico and Latin American countries to perhaps find a more constructive and non-dramatic way to resolve an international humanitarian crisis, Trump has deliberately sought to maximize the political utility of the situation, and in so doing, he is potentially making a manageable humanitarian situation into a full-blown political crisis. Fuck Trump, not the migrants. Show some fucking leadership, maybe. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2018, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27488 "2018-11-26T13:43:43Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > They “act like animals” because they’ve led a pretty harsh existence, which doesn’t entitle them to be able to jump a fence, but I think it entitles them to some compassion and understanding. The real issue, as I (and apparently others) see it, is that rather than working with Mexico and Latin American countries to perhaps find a more constructive and non-dramatic way to resolve an international humanitarian crisis, Trump has deliberately sought to maximize the political utility of the situation, and in so doing, he is potentially making a manageable humanitarian situation into a full-blown political crisis. Fuck Trump, not the migrants. Show some fucking leadership, maybe. How many personnel, including troops, did Trump send to the border? Imagine what we could have accomplished if he’d sent the same number of people down there to process asylum claims, and to separate gang members and terrorists (if any) from those truly seeking safety and security. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2018, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27489 "2018-11-26T14:00:45Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > How many personnel, including troops, did Trump send to the border? Imagine what we could have accomplished if he’d sent the same number of people down there to process asylum claims, and to separate gang members and terrorists (if any) from those truly seeking safety and security. That’s exactly right. I think we’re seeing what nativists and anti-immigration activists want, an example that they can use to inflame passions so that they can engender alarm and antipathy toward non-European immigration. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2018, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27490 "2018-11-26T14:51:46Z")
> [@JB99](#): > > Having read the actual article, you cite the “firing tear gas at children” part but ignore this: > > I honestly don’t see the problem. I’m all for treating these people with compassion and offering them help and a legal path to entry, but if they are going to act like animals they can fuck off and go back where they came from. > > If you don’t want your kids to get gassed, don’t try to hurdle a fence right in front of the cops! Duh! The United States government, yesterday, fired tear gas into another country. At toddlers. Wave your hands however you want, but we are the only villains in that story. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2018, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27491 "2018-11-26T15:03:53Z")
What is the status of Plan Frontera Sur (the USA funded plan/operation for Mexico to stop people from illegally crossing Mexico’s southern border)? Is the USA still shovelling money to Mexico for this? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2018, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27492 "2018-11-26T15:29:46Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > The United States government, yesterday, fired tear gas into another country. At toddlers. Wave your hands however you want, but we are the only villains in that story. I believe it was fired at adults breaching a wire fence, and some children were exposed to it. It was still an odious action. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2018, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27493 "2018-11-26T15:35:16Z")
Huddled masses yearning to breathe free except for the tear gas. ---
**Author:** ![Sicks\_Ate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Sicks\_Ate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sicks_Ate)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2018, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27494 "2018-11-26T15:45:49Z")
Article I read said things got out of hand after officials refused to let any migrants approach the point of entry. Isn’t that the legal way for them to proceed? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2018, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27495 "2018-11-26T15:50:12Z")
> [@Sicks\_Ate](#): > > Article I read said things got out of hand after officials refused to let any migrants approach the point of entry. Isn’t that the legal way for them to proceed? Well, if we encourage them do it legally, then we won’t have a reason to tear gas them, amirite? There goes a great photo-op. “People standing in line.” Bo-ring! That won’t make the front page. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2018, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27496 "2018-11-26T16:02:58Z")
Funny how I don’t hear liberals or the mainstream media theorizing how the migrants storming the border was actually a “false-flag” operation. We all know that when the shoe is on the other foot, that’s the first argument that Fox News et al run to. ---
**Author:** ![Llama\_Llogophile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@Llama\_Llogophile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Llama_Llogophile)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2018, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27497 "2018-11-26T16:28:32Z")
> [@Sicks\_Ate](#): > > Article I read said things got out of hand after officials refused to let any migrants approach the point of entry. Isn’t that the legal way for them to proceed? I’ve only read the details sporadically, but this seems to have been the Trump strategy all along. Close or otherwise obstruct the normal point of application (which I believe is required to be there by international law), then call people animals and use force when they try to enter through another point. Please fact check me on this, I may be out of date or mistaken. ---
**Author:** ![Toxgoddess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Toxgoddess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Toxgoddess)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2018, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27498 "2018-11-26T16:45:08Z")
To change up the clusterfuckery discussion a bit, GM to slash production and jobs, from line workers to executives, as tariffs on steel have cost it over $1 billion this year. So. Much. Winning!! > **[GM to slash jobs and production, drawing Trump's ire](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-gm-restructuring/gm-to-slash-jobs-and-production-cancel-some-car-models-idUSKCN1NV1NB)** > > General Motors Co said on Monday it will cut production of slow-selling models and slash its North American workforce because of a declining market for traditional gas-powered sedans, shifting more investment to electric and autonomous vehicles. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2018, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27499 "2018-11-26T17:12:19Z")
> [@Toxgoddess](#): > > So. Much. Winning!! I bet the GM workers (and soy bean farmers and others) are getting tired of Trump’s winning. Hopefully, by 2020 they’ll realize they should be tired of him. MAGA! Making Assholes Go Away! ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2018, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27500 "2018-11-26T17:18:31Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > I bet the GM workers (and soy bean farmers and others) are getting tired of Trump’s winning. > > Hopefully, by 2020 they’ll realize they should be tired of him. MAGA! Making Assholes Go Away! BENGHAZI! EMAILS! _SQUAAAAAAWK!_ These layoffs are obviously Obama’s fault. If he hadn’t saved GM, people wouldn’t be laid off _now!_ (God, libtards are stupid!) ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2018, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27501 "2018-11-26T17:25:44Z")
> [@Llama\_Llogophile](#): > > I’ve only read the details sporadically, but this seems to have been the Trump strategy all along. Close or otherwise obstruct the normal point of application (which I believe is required to be there by international law), then call people animals and use force when they try to enter through another point. > > Please fact check me on this, I may be out of date or mistaken. \*\*\*Fact \*\*\*check? We don’t need no stinkin’ facts. Anyhoo, I had the same idea: > [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Well, if we encourage them do it legally, then we won’t have a reason to tear gas them, amirite? There goes a great photo-op. “People standing in line.” Bo-ring! That won’t make the front page. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2018, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27502 "2018-11-26T17:27:11Z")
Anyone have any idea how close this will put GM to manufacturing more cars in China than they do in the USA? ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2018, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27503 "2018-11-26T17:35:12Z")
> [@JB99](#): > > If you don’t want your kids to get gassed, don’t try to hurdle a fence right in front of the cops! Duh! “If you don’t want me to physically assault your kid, don’t cross this line. If you do, your kid’s gonna get it, you sub-human animal.” What a broken moral compass. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2018, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27504 "2018-11-26T17:36:43Z")
> [@Llama\_Llogophile](#): > > I’ve only read the details sporadically, but this seems to have been the Trump strategy all along. Close or otherwise obstruct the normal point of application (which I believe is required to be there by international law), then call people animals and use force when they try to enter through another point. > > Please fact check me on this, I may be out of date or mistaken. It’s been something they did before the child-separation policy; applications for asylum not taken at point of entry, while removing the ability to present them if you’re already in the country. I’m all for “let people use the legal paths”, but that’s only valid so long as there are legal ways. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1374) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1376)