# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1384
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27665 "2018-11-30T07:45:32Z")
When he says “I”, I say “Mmm peach!” ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 8:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27666 "2018-11-30T08:33:46Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Nope. Sorry. We didn’t forget about Mueller. You might have, but we didn’t. > [@Smapti](#): > > This is your daily reminder; > > When Loser Donald says “we”, he means “I”. > > And when he says “lots of people”, he means “I”. > > And when he says “everyone”, he means “I”. > > And when he says “America”, he means “I”. NITPICK: sometimes he means “ME.” ---
**Author:** ![Cabin\_Fever\_1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cabin_fever_1/32/2908_2.png) [@Cabin\_Fever\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cabin_Fever_1)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 9:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27667 "2018-11-30T09:27:17Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Consulate. A bit of difference in world politics. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 10:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27668 "2018-11-30T10:52:22Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > The last sentence of this article is rather interesting: > > Nope. Sorry. We didn’t forget about Mueller. You might have, but we didn’t. It’s revealing that he thought the Mueller thing had kinda died down. Most everyone knew that Mueller wasn’t going to do anything that might implicate him in tilting an election, which is the very impetus for his investigation to begin with. I’ve felt all along that Trump would pull the trigger on the Mueller investigation - I honestly thought he’d do it back in May or June, which would have given the Republicans enough time to recover politically in time for midterms, which they lost (and were going to lose) anyway. I felt for sure he would try to terminate the Mueller investigation after the midterms, but it may already be too late, and it might be inconsequential even if he does. At this point it might just be easier for the president to let the investigation conclude and call it fake news. It’s doubtful that Mueller could do anything to the president while he’s in office, but he could essentially say on the public record that the president is a criminal. OTOH, Mueller could go after Don Jr., who will most likely get pardoned along with others, but politically, as Alan Dershowitz has said, the damage might be done. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27669 "2018-11-30T11:27:59Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > It’s revealing that he thought the Mueller thing had kinda died down. He said that it wasn’t getting reported in the media. Remember which media he watches, and note that it’s one that has been extremely sparing in its coverage of the Mueller investigation. In other news, while I’m not convinced the Deutsche Bank raid will have much to do with Trump (although you never know), [I strongly suspect this will](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/ed-burke-trump-taxes-chicago-alderman-raid-city-hall-robert-mueller-russia-investigation-a8660146.html): > [@](#): > > Large sheets of brown paper covered the glass walls to the City Hall offices of Chicago Alderman Ed Burke on Thursday, as federal agents raided the place of work for Donald Trump’s longtime former tax consultant. > > The offices were shut down upon the arrival of the federal officials, who quickly obstructed views into the rooms they remained in throughout the day. Mr Burke is reported to have worked closely with the president for nearly 12 years in cutting property taxes for his Trump Tower in Chicago by more than $14m. Oh lookie - a package all wrapped in brown paper! Is it for us? Is it Christmas yet? And right after Mr Mueller had all those long talks with Michael Cohen too. What are the odds? ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27670 "2018-11-30T12:01:58Z")
Wow! ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27671 "2018-11-30T12:10:51Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > And right after Mr Mueller had all those long talks with Michael Cohen too. What are the odds? I would say this is probably more closely related to Weisselberg if it has anything to do with Trump at all. Weisselberg was the big money guy. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27672 "2018-11-30T12:59:03Z")
I think we all commented here previously about the significance of Weisselberg. It was obvious the moment the feds reeled them in that Cohen and Weisselberg were going to be explosive witnesses. They know where the bodies are buried. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27673 "2018-11-30T17:04:20Z")
> [@AnalogSignal](#): > > Today was a bad day for In-duh-vidual 1 as he emerges as a central subject of the Mueller probe: > > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/individual-1-trump-emerges-as-a-central-subject-of-mueller-probe/2018/11/29/e3968994-f3f7-11e8-80d0-f7e1948d55f4\_story.html?utm\_term=.4d9cf3568656](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/individual-1-trump-emerges-as-a-central-subject-of-mueller-probe/2018/11/29/e3968994-f3f7-11e8-80d0-f7e1948d55f4_story.html?utm_term=.4d9cf3568656) But… but… but… Comey told Trump three times he wasn’t under investigation! No backsies! ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27674 "2018-11-30T17:58:23Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > :D Oh, that is hilarious. A less-than-subtle dig at Drumpf. Well played, Air New Zealand, well played! ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27675 "2018-11-30T17:59:28Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > sometimes he means “ME.” And sometimes he means ‘President T’. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27676 "2018-11-30T18:19:20Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Oh, that is hilarious. A less-than-subtle dig at Drumpf. Well played, Air New Zealand, well played! Props to **Aspenglow** for bringing it to our attention; all I did was find the link. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27677 "2018-11-30T18:27:27Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > :D In the spirit of the season… LOL, what a delight!! Knew it would be. Thanks for finding it, **Bo**. I did a search last night but it may not have been available yet. (Or else I suck at finding youtubes.) ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27678 "2018-11-30T18:41:30Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > This is your daily reminder; > > When Loser Donald says “we”, he means “I”. > > And when he says “lots of people”, he means “I”. > > And when he says “everyone”, he means “I”. > > And when he says “America”, he means “I”. And when he says “Obama”, he means “I”. Remember to translate this when Trump makes a remark like _“Obama screwed up the economy”_ or _“Obama will go down in history as the worst President ever”_ or _“Obama could be looking at some serious prison time if Pence doesn’t come through with a pardon like he promised he would”_. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27679 "2018-11-30T20:10:25Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > In the spirit of the season… LOL, what a delight!! Knew it would be. > > Thanks for finding it, **Bo**. I did a search last night but it may not have been available yet. (Or else I suck at finding youtubes.) You’re welcome; I’ve got your back: my google-fu is strong. ETA: And please accept my apology for mis-remembering who you were yesterday, sister. I deeply regret my error: you’re one of the really good ones around here, IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27680 "2018-11-30T20:23:00Z")
The DC neighborhood where the Saudi embassy is located has decided to rename the street in front of the Saudi Embassy after Jamal Khashoggi. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27681 "2018-11-30T20:58:04Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > The DC neighborhood where the Saudi embassy is located has decided to rename the street in front of the Saudi Embassy after Jamal Khashoggi. [a link](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/11/29/politics/khashoggi-street-renaming-trnd/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27682 "2018-11-30T21:58:19Z")
Can anyone explain what the purpose is of using terms like “Individual 1” without making any effort to conceal their referents? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27683 "2018-11-30T22:35:56Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > The DC neighborhood where the Saudi embassy is located has decided to rename the street in front of the Saudi Embassy after Jamal Khashoggi. > [@eschereal](#): > > [a link](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/11/29/politics/khashoggi-street-renaming-trnd/index.html) These are good people: > [@](#): > > The resolution from the seven-member Advisory Neighborhood Commission 2A passed unanimously, commissioner James Harnett told CNN. The commission, which is part of the government in the District of Columbia, normally handles local issues like zoning, parking and trash collection in the West End and Foggy Bottom neighborhoods. But Harnett said commissioners were outraged by Khashoggi’s killing, as well as President Trump’s reaction to it, and felt the need to take action on an international issue. > > “I think our concern … and the need to say we want to weigh in on this issue, which has international implications, is that we are extremely disappointed over the lack of concern” in the White House’s response to the incident, Harnett said. **“It’s our belief … that when there’s a vacuum of leadership that someone steps up and makes sure that the community knows that this is something that we take seriously.”** (bolding mine) ---
**Author:** ![Turek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/turek/32/18782_2.png) [@Turek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turek)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27684 "2018-11-30T22:52:23Z")
[Interior Secretary Zinke Attacks Democrat Who Calls For His Resignation](https://www.npr.org/2018/11/30/672279731/interior-secretary-zinke-attacks-democrat-who-calls-for-his-resignation?utm_medium=RSS&utm_campaign=news) > [@](#): > > Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke offered a preview Friday afternoon, responding from criticism by the top Democrat on the House Natural Resources Committee by insinuating on Twitter that Arizona Rep. Raul Grijalva is a drunk. To misquote Churchill: ‘My dear, you are an unethical piece of shit, and what’s more, you are disgustingly ugly. But tomorrow I shall be sober and you will still be an unethical piece of shit.’ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1383) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1385)