# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1388
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2018, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27745 "2018-12-03T15:26:53Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > It’s a good question, that has not at all been addressed in any of the reporting I’ve heard. No one has ever even hinted that there might be some ticking clock before Mexico deports them back to their home countries, but if that is in fact the case it should be reported because it makes a huge difference as to the substance of their predicament. One of the consequences of NAFTA was precisely that many people who previously did not need visas to travel to Mexico, and minimal paperwork to get a work permit (when needed), now do need visas and more paperwork. Whether the Mexican government has the resources to deport them, or the political will to do so with the immense majority whose only crime (if any) is not having requested Visas and other documents before getting to Mexico’s southern border, is a different matter. And why should Mexico be the ones who take care of all the poor, downtrodden masses in the rest of Latin America, when so much of the downtrodding has been done by, cough cough, someone other than Mexico, is yet a different matter. A Costa Rican coworker once described his own country, and by extension Hispanic America, as having “a family problem between The Mother Country (Spain) and Big Brother (the US)”. They tend to have sibling friction as well, but a lot of fundamental things including legal structures have their roots in that initial dichotomy. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2018, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27746 "2018-12-03T18:03:04Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > One of the consequences of NAFTA was precisely that many people who previously did not need visas to travel to Mexico, and minimal paperwork to get a work permit (when needed), now do need visas and more paperwork. > > Whether the Mexican government has the resources to deport them, or the political will to do so with the immense majority whose only crime (if any) is not having requested Visas and other documents before getting to Mexico’s southern border, is a different matter. And why should Mexico be the ones who take care of all the poor, downtrodden masses in the rest of Latin America, when so much of the downtrodding has been done by, cough cough, someone other than Mexico, is yet a different matter. > > A Costa Rican coworker once described his own country, and by extension Hispanic America, as having “a family problem between The Mother Country (Spain) and Big Brother (the US)”. They tend to have sibling friction as well, but a lot of fundamental things including legal structures have their roots in that initial dichotomy. Awesome post – thanks. ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2018, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27747 "2018-12-03T18:26:01Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I beg your pardon. “The US police departments” was intended to mean “the police departments of varied political sub divisions of the US”, and was read as such by most. The most kind interpretation of your misguided nitpick was that you missed the plural, but apparently you did read it as “departments of ‘The US police’”. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2018, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27748 "2018-12-03T19:41:20Z")
> [@naita](#): > > “The US police departments” was intended to mean “the police departments of varied political sub divisions of the US”, and was read as such by most. The most kind interpretation of your misguided nitpick was that you missed the plural, but apparently you did read it as “departments of ‘The US police’”. Thanks, naita. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27749 "2018-12-04T17:39:53Z")
[This photo](https://www.google.com/search?q=eric+trump+national+tree+lighting+2018&safe=active&rlz=1C1GGRV_enUS758US758&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi4vInA24bfAhWR3oMKHWQBCyUQ_AUIDygC&biw=1366&bih=608#imgrc=R5veQXt9HJf_MM:) of Eric No Scoops from the national tree lighting ceremony makes me think he could sneak into a [McPoyle](https://www.google.com/search?q=mcpoyle+family+it%27s+always+sunny&safe=active&rlz=1C1GGRV_enUS758US758&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjenLTf24bfAhWq8YMKHTxXBncQ_AUIDigB&biw=1366&bih=608)family reunion/orgy and no one would bat an eyelash. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27750 "2018-12-04T17:41:28Z")
He’s definitely NASCAR Trump, that’s for sure. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27751 "2018-12-04T21:37:25Z")
Trump claims the rioters in Paris are chanting, “We want Trump.” > **[Trump shares tweet claiming rioting protesters in France are chanting ‘We...](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/419650-trump-shares-tweet-claiming-rioting-protesters-in-france-are-chanting/)** > > President Trump shared a tweet Tuesday claiming protestors in France chanted “We want Trump.”The original tweet came from Turning Point USA’s Charlie Kirk, and said the protes… ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27752 "2018-12-04T22:04:51Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > [The deputy](https://www.newsweek.com/florida-police-officer-greets-mike-pence-wearing-qanon-patch-1239913) \*in the picture was identified as Sergeant M. Patten by the name on his uniform. > > Veda Coleman-Wright, the sheriff’s office spokesperson, told the Miami New-Times the department was unaware that Patten was wearing the patch while meeting Pence. > > “The patch is not authorized by BSO,” she reportedly said. “This matter will be addressed immediately.”\* Yeah, but I’m sure they mean, “Take off that velcro patch!” as opposed to “We’re taking all the guns and sharp objects away from the man who is quite obviously a dumb fuck.” ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27753 "2018-12-04T22:18:35Z")
The Attorneys General of DC and Maryland are planning on filing about 30 subpoenas against the Trump Organization, the IRS, and multiple other organizations in the Trump emoluments lawsuit. > **[2 attorneys general to subpoena Trump Organization, Treasury](https://apnews.com/8335d630f04248fe9175f893c6641729?utm_medium=AP&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter)** > > WASHINGTON (AP) — The attorneys general of the District of Columbia and Maryland plan to file subpoenas Tuesday seeking records from the Trump Organization, the Treasury Department and dozens of other entities as part of a lawsuit accusing Donald... ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27754 "2018-12-04T22:39:08Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Trump claims the rioters in Paris are chanting, “We want Trump.” > [https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/419650-trump-shares-tweet-claiming-rioting-protesters-in-france-are-chanting](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/419650-trump-shares-tweet-claiming-rioting-protesters-in-france-are-chanting) To be clear, lest anyone think that the CFSG had an original thought, this was a retweet of a blorting from the BigFatJunkie. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27755 "2018-12-04T22:41:12Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Mike Pence poses with law enforcement officers, one of whom is wearing a QAnon patch _ **on his fucking uniform** _! > [https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/419208-pence-posts-photo-with-law-enforcement-officer-wearing-qanon-patch](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/419208-pence-posts-photo-with-law-enforcement-officer-wearing-qanon-patch) I think THAT “piece of work” has since been demoted and reassigned. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27756 "2018-12-04T22:43:55Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > I guess. As long as MSB keeps it his own country. We know Trump and his supporters don’t want Mooslims and their laws and terrorist culture in this country. Trump should try to ban them from coming to this country or something. Oh, wait. I have “a problem” or two with that. 1. Murder is not cool. 2. The guy was a resident of this country, and therefore SHOULD have been under our protection. 3. It has nothing to do with Dump’s idea of banning Mooslums (or at least banning the ones who didn’t line his pockets). So no, there ain’t any “no wait” about it. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27757 "2018-12-04T22:48:07Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Not on anyone’s radar: a financial institution in a small country [was breached by officials](https://www.npr.org/2018/11/29/671820502/deutsche-bank-offices-are-raided-in-money-laundering-probe) of that country, for investigative purposes. > > \*German police raided Deutsche Bank offices on Thursday, seeking evidence in a money laundering investigation into the practice of hiding money offshore to elude tax collectors and government regulators. > > … (NPR’s Esme) Nicholson adds, “According to investigators, in 2016 alone, more than 900 Deutsche Bank customers were served by a subsidiary registered in the British Virgin Islands.” … (who) did business totaling 311 million euros (about $350 million) … > > (Deutsche Bank tweeted):[INDENT]\*It is true that the police is currently conducting an investigation at a number of our offices in Germany. The investigation has to do with the Panama Papers case. More details will be communicated as soon as these become known. We are cooperating fully with the authorities.\*\*[/INDENT] > > This is the major financial institution that was so very cozy with CFSG. I should imagine he is a tad nervous about this and what might end up in Muller’s hands. … or more verification of the data Meuller already has??? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27758 "2018-12-04T22:49:49Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > The last sentence of this article is rather interesting: > > Nope. Sorry. We didn’t forget about Mueller. You might have, but we didn’t. Damn right, WE didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2018, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27759 "2018-12-04T23:24:40Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > I have “a problem” or two with that. > > 1. Murder is not cool. > 2. The guy was a resident of this country, and therefore SHOULD have been under our protection. > 3. It has nothing to do with Dump’s idea of banning Mooslums (or at least banning the ones who didn’t line his pockets). > > So no, there ain’t any “no wait” about it. I was being facetious, although that doesn’t necessarily come across in text. Trump and his base didn’t give a shit that the guy was murdered and bent over backward to give MBS a pass on it. Apparently, after the CIA director briefed some Senators, it’s pretty obvious MBS was directly ordering this killing. Makes one wonder how much Trump is owned by the Saudis. The joke from the G20 was the high fives between MBS and Putin were congratulations on each making Trump their bitch. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27760 "2018-12-05T00:45:38Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > Apparently, after the CIA director briefed some Senators, it’s pretty obvious MBS was directly ordering this killing. Lindsey Graham, who lately has been the master vacillater in the political winds, is convinced that MBS is guilty: > [@](#): > > “There’s not a smoking gun — there’s a smoking saw," Graham said after leaving an intelligence briefing by CIA director Gina Haspel for a small group of senators. “You have to be willfully blind not to come to the conclusion that this was orchestrated and organized by people under the command of MBS and that he was intricately involved in the demise of Mr. Khashoggi.” Also: > [@](#): > > The AP also reported that the South Carolina lawmaker said he cannot support arms sales to the country as the crown prince is its leader. Story [here.](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/graham-ties-saudi-crown-prince-khashoggi-killing-there-s-not-n943671) ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27761 "2018-12-05T01:06:24Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > Apparently, after the CIA director briefed some Senators, it’s pretty obvious MBS was directly ordering this killing. I have to wonder if Haspel offered some views on how \*she \*would have done it in one of \*her \*CIA black sites. > [@](#): > > Makes one wonder how much Trump is owned by the Saudis. Probably still less than the Bushes. Trump is so easily fooled that anybody can look like they own him. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27762 "2018-12-05T01:19:54Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Trump claims the rioters in Paris are chanting, “We want Trump.” > [https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/419650-trump-shares-tweet-claiming-rioting-protesters-in-france-are-chanting](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/419650-trump-shares-tweet-claiming-rioting-protesters-in-france-are-chanting) The man is delusional. I think he got this one from listening to Rush Limbaugh. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27763 "2018-12-05T01:22:34Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Trump claims the rioters in Paris are chanting, “We want Trump.” As the Jacobins erect the guillotine? ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/27764 "2018-12-05T01:44:57Z")
We have got to build a dome and China is going to pay for it! > [@Trump](#): > > When you look at China, and when you look at other countries where they have foul air, they have not good air that comes over to the United States. People don’t want to talk about it, but it comes over. (Xi) you know, he’s got to do something with his climate, his climates, a little bit, though. > [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1387) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1389)