# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1404
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28065 "2018-12-14T00:02:42Z")
Just when you think the administration couldn’t get any more fucking evil, [there’s this bullshit:](https://www.wonkette.com/totally-non-evil-ice-arrests-170-immigrants-trying-to-free-kids-from-baby-jails) > [@](#): > > The friendly folks at US Immigration and Custom Enforcement (ICE) announced Tuesday that federal authorities have arrested 170 immigrants who came forward to sponsor migrant children in government custody. This is the result of a new, fun rule the Department of Homeland Security put into effect this summer. It allows immigration authorities to examine the criminal background and legal status of anyone who attempts to sponsor the unaccompanied minors — usually parents or close relatives already in the country. They can even check the papers of any other adults living in their home, including Grandma. > > It’s a masterclass in evil: Use defenseless children as bait to lure immigrants to the authorities. It’s like when scofflaws show up at police headquarters to collect their “free prize,” which is actually just jail. Of course, this is far more repulsive because the government is preying on immigrants’ concern for the well-being of their family members. This is usually why it’s Lex Luthor who kidnaps Lois Lane or Martha Kent. You don’t see Superman holding Lex’s sister hostage in return for an orderly surrender… > > Prior to the Trump administration’s rule change, immigration enforcement wasn’t the point of the background information the Office of Refugee Resettlement collected. Their goal was to make sure the sponsors could keep the children safe, enroll them in school, and provide them with an attorney for their court appearances. During the month of May alone, 658 children were separated from their parents and the new rule has the effect of keeping them in federal custody longer than necessary. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28066 "2018-12-14T00:03:48Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > But Jared already has so many other jobs that he’s shitty at. It’ll look good on his resume, though. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28067 "2018-12-14T00:44:35Z")
Chris Cantwell could be a stable CoS. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28068 "2018-12-14T01:13:14Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Now there is a [criminal investigation](https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/13/politics/trump-inauguration-spending-investigation/index.html) into trump’s inaugural committee. Initial info came from materials seized at Cohen’s office. > > When it rains, it pours. Welcome to Alcatraz, Donny. > ETA: ninja’d! Heh. When it rains it pours. This is what my cousin and I call a ‘Morton Salt Box’. Ya see. On the Morton Salt Box, there is drawing of a girl carrying a box of Morton salt. The box she is carrying of course must have a drawing of a girl carrying a box of Morton salt, which or course has a… And on it goes. Every thing that Trumps has touched is in some way connected to crime, and that crime is connected to another crime and so on and so on… I think Trumps Venn diagram of crime is just ONE big circle. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28069 "2018-12-14T01:15:08Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > But Jared already has so many other jobs that he’s shitty at. He totally fixed the Middle East. He’s ready for a new challenge. To be fair, if criminal justice reform happens, I will have to give some credit to Javanka. AIUI, they were the primary force behind it. But otherwise, fuck both of them. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28070 "2018-12-14T01:18:46Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Chris Cantwell could be a stable CoS. Trump has many fine people to choose from. Some of them might struggle to acclimate to working with Kushner, but I’m sure they’d accept him eventually. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28071 "2018-12-14T01:31:07Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Heh. When it rains it pours. > > This is what my cousin and I call a ‘Morton Salt Box’. Ya see. On the Morton Salt Box, there is drawing of a girl carrying a box of Morton salt. The box she is carrying of course must have a drawing of a girl carrying a box of Morton salt, which or course has a… > > And on it goes. Every thing that Trumps has touched is in some way connected to crime, and that crime is connected to another crime and so on and so on… Salty turtles all the way down. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28072 "2018-12-14T01:39:24Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Heh. When it rains it pours. > > This is what my cousin and I call a ‘Morton Salt Box’. Ya see. On the Morton Salt Box, there is drawing of a girl carrying a box of Morton salt. The box she is carrying of course must have a drawing of a girl carrying a box of Morton salt, which or course has a… > > And on it goes. Every thing that Trumps has touched is in some way connected to crime, and that crime is connected to another crime and so on and so on… > > I think Trumps Venn diagram of crime is just ONE big circle. It’s a Mandelbrot Set of criminality…every time you turn up the focus to look closer at a particular crime, you find more smaller but identical crimes attached, and those have more smaller but identical crimes, and THOSE have more smaller but identical crimes, all the way down to infinity. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28073 "2018-12-14T01:39:37Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Now there is a [criminal investigation](https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/13/politics/trump-inauguration-spending-investigation/index.html) into trump’s inaugural committee. Initial info came from materials seized at Cohen’s office. > > When it rains, it pours. Welcome to Alcatraz, Donny. > ETA: ninja’d! Given that Gates flipped first, I would have to imagine that it started with him. He was the head financier for it and that included things like selling high priced, VIP-only tickets to Russians, which is exactly the sort of thing that Mueller would have asked him about. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28074 "2018-12-14T01:47:29Z")
> [@MovieMogul](#): > > Just when you think the administration couldn’t get any more fucking evil, [there’s this bullshit:](https://www.wonkette.com/totally-non-evil-ice-arrests-170-immigrants-trying-to-free-kids-from-baby-jails) This is truly evil. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28075 "2018-12-14T02:13:42Z")
Axios is reporting that Trump is considering Chris Christie for Chief of Staff. It makes sense. Christie will be a real help with the next Infrastructure Week. > **[Trump meets with Chris Christie to discuss chief of staff role](https://www.axios.com/2018/12/14/trump-met-with-chris-christie-to-discuss-chief-of-staff-role)** > > A source familiar said Christie is "politically-savvy, and one of Trump’s early supporters." ---
**Author:** ![Llama\_Llogophile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@Llama\_Llogophile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Llama_Llogophile)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28076 "2018-12-14T02:18:28Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > This is what my cousin and I call a ‘Morton Salt Box’. Ya see. On the Morton Salt Box, there is drawing of a girl carrying a box of Morton salt. The box she is carrying of course must have a drawing of a girl carrying a box of Morton salt, which or course has a… [The Droste Effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droste_effect#In_modern_usage) ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28077 "2018-12-14T02:42:41Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Chris Cantwell could be a stable CoS. Hay, wait a minute, are you calling him a straw man? Rein it in here. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28078 "2018-12-14T02:56:17Z")
The [casual evil](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/7-year-old-migrant-girl-taken-into-border-patrol-custody-dies-of-dehydration-exhaustion/2018/12/13/8909e356-ff03-11e8-862a-b6a6f3ce8199_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.af85af1c0d86) of this “administration” exceeds my threshold for constant maximum outrage. We cannot be rid of these fucks fast enough. (WaPo) > [@](#): > > A 7-year-old girl from Guatemala died of dehydration and shock after she was taken into Border Patrol custody last week for crossing from Mexico into the United States illegally with her father and a large group of migrants along a remote span of New Mexico desert, U.S. Customs and Border Protection said Thursday. > > \ > > According to CBP records, the girl and her father were taken into custody about 10 p.m. Dec. 6 south of Lordsburg, N.M., as part of a group of 163 people who approached U.S. agents to turn themselves in. > > More than eight hours later, the child began having seizures at 6:25 a.m., CBP records show. Emergency responders, who arrived soon after, measured her body temperature at 105.7 degrees, and according to a statement from CBP, she **“reportedly had not eaten or consumed water for several days.”** (emphasis mine) Loss for words. This is how the United States handles refugees now. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28079 "2018-12-14T03:01:00Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > Axios is reporting that Trump is considering Chris Christie for Chief of Staff. It makes sense. Christie will be a real help with the next Infrastructure Week. > > [https://www.axios.com/trump-met-with-chris-christie-to-discuss-chief-of-staff-role-684f9465-a6ea-4a80-9df3-2d91ba67cf35.html](https://www.axios.com/trump-met-with-chris-christie-to-discuss-chief-of-staff-role-684f9465-a6ea-4a80-9df3-2d91ba67cf35.html) [He’s already hard at work.](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/271/475/36b.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28080 "2018-12-14T03:07:52Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Salty turtles all the way down. More like Russian Nesting Dolls. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28081 "2018-12-14T03:08:00Z")
> [@MovieMogul](#): > > Just when you think the administration couldn’t get any more fucking evil, [there’s this bullshit:](https://www.wonkette.com/totally-non-evil-ice-arrests-170-immigrants-trying-to-free-kids-from-baby-jails) Why would anyone ever think the administration couldn’t get any more evil? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28082 "2018-12-14T03:23:43Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > The [casual evil](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/7-year-old-migrant-girl-taken-into-border-patrol-custody-dies-of-dehydration-exhaustion/2018/12/13/8909e356-ff03-11e8-862a-b6a6f3ce8199_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.af85af1c0d86) of this “administration” exceeds my threshold for constant maximum outrage. We cannot be rid of these fucks fast enough. > > (WaPo) > > > [@](#): > > > > A 7-year-old girl from Guatemala died of dehydration and shock after she was taken into Border Patrol custody last week for crossing from Mexico into the United States illegally with her father and a large group of migrants along a remote span of New Mexico desert, U.S. Customs and Border Protection said Thursday. > > > > \ > > > > According to CBP records, the girl and her father were taken into custody about 10 p.m. Dec. 6 south of Lordsburg, N.M., as part of a group of 163 people who approached U.S. agents to turn themselves in. > > > > More than eight hours later, the child began having seizures at 6:25 a.m., CBP records show. Emergency responders, who arrived soon after, measured her body temperature at 105.7 degrees, and according to a statement from CBP, she “reportedly had not eaten or consumed water for several days.” > > (emphasis mine) > > Loss for words. This is how the United States handles refugees now. _Hold back the so-called “refugees” out there. Send me your oligarchs, flush with success Whose deals with me are always more than fair, Who buy my real estate without much stress. While Fox and Friends all praise me on the air, We’ll show my base that they can do with less._ - - “The New Colossus v. 45” (excerpt) 2018, **kaylasdad99** ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28083 "2018-12-14T03:26:13Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > [He’s already hard at work.](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/271/475/36b.jpg) Somebody ought to ‘shop in the kid who got fifteen minutes of fame mowing the WH lawn. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28084 "2018-12-14T03:38:28Z")
> [@Llama\_Llogophile](#): > > [The Droste Effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droste_effect#In_modern_usage) Cool. Thanks. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1403) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1405)