# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making

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**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\
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**Post date:** [December 18, 2018, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28185 "2018-12-18T05:40:39Z")

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I thought this was posted elsewhere but can’t find it so maybe it was just another one of my psychotic hallucinations, so: despite US squeamishness now to address climate change, the Maison de Blanc still managed to find a way to ingratiate themselves into the Poland climate conference by sending a delegation that set up side events touting how cool fossil fuels and Saudi Arabia are.  
To give credit where it was due: having nothing to do with the White House freak side show, a separate US delegation of professional negotiators hammered out a rule book for countries to regularly report their emissions rates. Other goals in limiting emissions were also set.  
Getting back to the fucking White House side show thing, the fucking gall - it’s like, I dunno…Milo Yiannopoulis (loudly) turning up at a Stacey Abrams constituency meeting, or substituting one of the PBS Friday Night Mumblers (Dave Brooks or Mark Sheilds) with _EWWWWWW_ Steven Miller - or actually that could be somewhat likely. (Make it Richard Spencer instead.) That shit just won’t fly. Fortunately, [according to Environmental Defense Fund senior VP Nathaniel Keohane,](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-a-global-effort-could-deliver-solutions-on-climate-change) the WH freak sideshow went essentially unnoticed.

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**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\
**Post date:** [December 18, 2018, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28186 "2018-12-18T16:45:19Z")

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[Trump Foundation to be dissolved in agreement with NY AG’s office.](https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/18/trump-foundation-to-shut-down-1067924)

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> Underwood alleged in her lawsuit that Trump’s charity was, for years, “little more than an empty shell” with no oversight by a functioning board of directors, and she pointed out that the nonprofit had not had a board meeting since 1999.
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> Underwood said the foundation also made a series of questionable donations to other charitable organizations to settle legal claims involving Trump businesses, including his South Florida Mar-a-Lago retreat, while another donation went toward promoting Trump’s international hotels. The attorney general’s office also alleged that Trump handed over control of the charity to his presidential campaign in 2016, as it made strategic donations to charities and events in key campaign states like Iowa and New Hampshire.
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> “Our petition detailed a shocking pattern of illegality involving the Trump Foundation — including unlawful coordination with the Trump presidential campaign, repeated and willful self-dealing, and much more," Underwood said in a statement Tuesday. “This amounted to the Trump Foundation functioning as little more than a checkbook to serve Mr. Trump’s business and political interests.”

Pattern of illegality? Trump?! You mean the President of the United States? Say it ain’t so!

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**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\
**Post date:** [December 18, 2018, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28187 "2018-12-18T16:57:00Z")

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> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#):
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> [Trump Foundation to be dissolved in agreement with NY AG’s office.](https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/18/trump-foundation-to-shut-down-1067924)
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> Pattern of illegality? Trump?! You mean the President of the United States? Say it ain’t so!

“I believe there’s gambling going on here!!” :eek:

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**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\
**Post date:** [December 18, 2018, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28188 "2018-12-18T17:01:27Z")

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> … The attorney general’s office also alleged that Trump handed over control of the charity to his presidential campaign in 2016, as it made strategic donations to charities and events in key campaign states like Iowa and New Hampshire. …

\<stuttering syllables almost forming words\>  
No. That is over the line.

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**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\
**Post date:** [December 18, 2018, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28189 "2018-12-18T17:11:56Z")

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> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#):
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> Trump is considering pardoning a Green Beret who was arrested for committing murder in Afghanistan. **The guy he is charged with murdering is, according to the right wing, a bomb maker.** I don’t know whether he was or not, but the US command had let the guy go, and the Green Beret was ordered to escort him back to his home. Instead, the Green Beret took him out and shot him. That’s murder. That’s a war crime. But since Fox News is arguing for his release, the Orange Cheeto is thinking about it.

_The guy he is charged with murdering **WAS** , according to the right wing, a bomb maker._

FTFY

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**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\
**Post date:** [December 18, 2018, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28190 "2018-12-18T17:53:01Z")

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> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#):
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> Trump is considering pardoning a Green Beret who was arrested for committing murder in Afghanistan. The guy he is charged with murdering is, according to the right wing, a bomb maker. I don’t know whether he was or not, but the US command had let the guy go, and the Green Beret was ordered to escort him back to his home. Instead, the Green Beret took him out and shot him. That’s murder. That’s a war crime. But since Fox News is arguing for his release, the Orange Cheeto is thinking about it.

I presume that the President is pondering the evidence he finds to be relevant, by which I mean that he is studying a Pantone chart, a skin sample from the accused, and a skin sample from the deceased.

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**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\
**Post date:** [December 18, 2018, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28191 "2018-12-18T18:02:40Z")

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> … The attorney general’s office also alleged that Trump handed over control of the charity to his presidential campaign in 2016, as it made strategic donations to charities and events in key campaign states like Iowa and New Hampshire. …

So the “punishment” for this crime of using a charitable foundation as a political slush fund is… Shut the foundation after the crime has been successfully completed.

Big fucking deal. This is no punishment at all.

What’s to prevent Trump from simply opening up another “charitable foundation” and doing exactly the same thing next election?

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**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\
**Post date:** [December 18, 2018, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28192 "2018-12-18T18:04:41Z")

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> [@Steve\_MB](#):
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> I presume that the President is pondering the evidence he finds to be relevant, by which I mean that he is studying a Pantone chart, a skin sample from the accused, and a skin sample from the deceased.

Think of the intervening steps of awfulness.

1. An American kills an Afghani.

2. Fox News gets involved, and decides that since the American is a soldier! and Green Beret! (cue eagles and fireworks) and the victim is some Mooslim from a dirtbag country, that there must be a miscarriage of justice going on somehow.

3. And since things go straight from Fox News to the president’s “brain” and out his mouth, we now have the Chief Executive sticking his stubby little fingers in a criminal investigation.

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**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\
**Post date:** [December 18, 2018, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28193 "2018-12-18T18:06:36Z")

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> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#):
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> So the “punishment” for this crime of using a charitable foundation as a political slush fund is… Shut the foundation after the crime has been successfully completed.
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> Big fucking deal. This is no punishment at all.
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> What’s to prevent Trump from simply opening up another “charitable foundation” and doing exactly the same thing next election?

As I read the article, the foundation is dissolved today but the criminal investigation is ongoing.

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**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\
**Post date:** [December 18, 2018, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28194 "2018-12-18T19:13:48Z")

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> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#):
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> Big fucking deal. This is no punishment at all.

Oh contraire, this is the most severe kind: Capital Punishment.

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**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\
**Post date:** [December 18, 2018, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28195 "2018-12-18T19:26:48Z")

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> [@jsc1953](#):
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> As I read the article, the foundation is dissolved today but the criminal investigation is ongoing.

I hope so, but I saw nothing in the article that would lead me to believe this.

My cynical self will guess this whole thing will be just quietly “disappeared”, and nothing more will be done.

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**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\
**Post date:** [December 18, 2018, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28196 "2018-12-18T19:37:56Z")

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> Underwood’s lawsuit against Trump and his three oldest children for violating state charity law will move forward.

Story [https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/trump-agrees-dissolve-trump-foundation-new-york-attorney-general](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/trump-agrees-dissolve-trump-foundation-new-york-attorney-general)

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**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\
**Post date:** [December 18, 2018, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28197 "2018-12-18T20:43:54Z")

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Wasn’t sure where to put this little gem, but here will do:

Individual 1 is about to be honoured by [having a new species named after him](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/18/blind-amphibian-named-after-trumps-climate-change-stance)

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**Post date:** [December 18, 2018, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28198 "2018-12-18T21:23:51Z")

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> [@Aspidistra](#):
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> Wasn’t sure where to put this little gem, but here will do:
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> Individual 1 is about to be honoured by [having a new species named after him](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/18/blind-amphibian-named-after-trumps-climate-change-stance)

Hah! And since we’re talking nature and Trump, here is another good one

[From The Register.](https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/12/17/nature_paper_trump_poo/)

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> The paper, which was published in Nature Scientific Reports, discusses the difficulties of gaining high-quality DNA samples from wild animals in a non-invasive way.
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> Faeces is the obvious option, but it is dominated by DNA from other organisms, such as bacteria – so the authors proposed a way to enrich the desired animal’s DNA from the sample.
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> However, the pair also buried an Easter egg in a figure depicting the method, which shows a baboon sitting next to an average-sized turd. And on that turd, is a tiny image of the leader of the free world.

A video of a zoom in to the picture is [here.](https://twitter.com/JaimedeJuan/status/1073353744212000768)

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**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\
**Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28199 "2018-12-19T01:46:45Z")

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> [@Yllaria](#):
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> Didn’t one of the drummers spontaneously combust?

Yes, and then they brought out a teeny tiny little Stonehenge and dancing dwarves.

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**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\
**Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28200 "2018-12-19T01:49:03Z")

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> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#):
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> [Trump Foundation to be dissolved in agreement with NY AG’s office.](https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/18/trump-foundation-to-shut-down-1067924)
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> Pattern of illegality? Trump?! You mean the President of the United States? Say it ain’t so!

And again I say, he is getting off far too easily.

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**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\
**Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28201 "2018-12-19T01:50:25Z")

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> [@kaylasdad99](#):
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> _The guy he is charged with murdering **WAS** , according to the right wing, a bomb maker._
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> FTFY

Was? Is? Who knows.

[![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/3L8fIrWnXRA/maxresdefault.jpg) ](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/3L8fIrWnXRA/maxresdefault.jpg)

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**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\
**Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28202 "2018-12-19T01:54:40Z")

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> [@SteveG1](#):
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> And again I say, he is getting off far too easily.

Depends. We don’t know if the FEC, FBI, or anyone is investigating to decide whether to charge the President or his family with Federal crimes for self-dealing and campaign contribution violations.

I expect that it’s one of the 85 things that the new Democratic House will look into in about a month.

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**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\
**Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28203 "2018-12-19T01:57:12Z")

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> [@SteveG1](#):
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> Yes, and then they brought out a teeny tiny little Stonehenge and dancing dwarves.

I still think we should all be sending him our extra legos ™ for the wall.

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**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\
**Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28204 "2018-12-19T01:59:19Z")

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> [@eschereal](#):
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> [hmmm](https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-suddenly-expresses-deep-concern-about-conditions-in-nations-prisons)
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> _… In addition to blasting the conditions inside the nation’s prisons, Trump also questioned whether “putting someone in jail for one or two felonies serves any purpose.”  
> “I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately,” he said. “Prison solves nothing.”_  
> Borowitz

Sounds like he’s worried about his own future. For anyone else, he wouldn’t give a fuck.

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