# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 142
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2017, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2821 "2017-03-30T01:55:29Z")
> [@standingwave](#): > > Not only is it a Frederick Douglas moment but it also serves as a [Abraham Lincoln moment](http://time.com/4708749/donald-trump-abraham-lincoln-republican/). > > Didn’t see this in this thread: > > Trump: “Great president. Most people don’t even know he was a Republican. Does anyone know? Lot of people don’t know that.” > > :smack: > > Trump, when your too ignorant to know just how deep your ignorance goes… [Quote=either Time Magazine or The Onion. I can’t tell anymore.] Trump then said Republicans need to spread the word that Lincoln was a Republican, appearing to be unaware of the fact that the GOP is commonly referred to as the “party of Lincoln.”“Let’s take an ad, let’s use one of those PACs,” he said [/quote] Good. God. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2017, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2822 "2017-03-30T02:48:47Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > So, Trump maybe [intends to steal the Rio Grande](http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/326292-interior-secretary-on-wall-were-not-going-to-cede-rio-grande-to). (Grand theft Grande?) The situation really is hysterically funny - i guess they really didn’t think that whole “wall thing” through. It makes me really wonder about Trump. He’s supposedly a real estate super genius. Did he not think about how the wall would impact those river views? He’s really not going to be stupid enough to try and build on the Mexican side without permission, is he? I’m starting to seriously wonder what the hell was going on inside the Trump Organization. The ACHA debacle proves that “Mr. Art of the Deal” can’t negotiate worth a damn- I could do a whole essay on how horrible that negotiation was. And now he loses sight of the fact that a 30 foot wall next to a river is going to black the view? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2017, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2823 "2017-03-30T02:59:31Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > The situation really is hysterically funny - i guess they really didn’t think that whole “wall thing” through. > > It makes me really wonder about Trump. He’s supposedly a real estate super genius. Did he not think about how the wall would impact those river views? He’s really not going to be stupid enough to try and build on the Mexican side without permission, is he? > > I’m starting to seriously wonder what the hell was going on inside the Trump Organization. The ACHA debacle proves that “Mr. Art of the Deal” can’t negotiate worth a damn- I could do a whole essay on how horrible that negotiation was. > > And now he loses sight of the fact that a 30 foot wall next to a river is going to black the view? Nobody could possibly have foreseen that building a wall would be so difficult. Nobody. And who knew that there was a river in the way? Trumpsters are not geography nerds - they skipped that class in school. Anyway, it’s probably Obama’s fault. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2017, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2824 "2017-03-30T03:20:10Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Nobody could possibly have foreseen that building a wall would be so difficult. Nobody. And who knew that there was a river in the way? Trumpsters are not geography nerds - they skipped that class in school. > > Anyway, it’s probably Obama’s fault. I wonder if he realizes that the [Rio Grande](https://tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/rnr05) is just under 1,900 miles long, and that a lot of that is through extremely inhospitable and uninhabited land? Has he ever seen West Texas on the ground, or has he just flown over it? ---
**Author:** ![Crazyhorse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazyhorse/32/31_2.png) [@Crazyhorse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazyhorse)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2017, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2825 "2017-03-30T03:20:27Z")
> [@standingwave](#): > > Trump: “Great president. Most people don’t even know he was a Republican. Does anyone know? Lot of people don’t know that.” Oh yeah, Lincoln. That was the guy who said: > [@](#): > > “I am not a Know-Nothing. That is certain. How could I be? How can any one who abhors the oppression of negroes, be in favor of degrading classes of white people? Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we began by declaring that “all men are created equal.” We now practically read it “all men are created equal, except Negroes.” When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read “all men are created equal, except Negroes and foreigners and Catholics.” When it comes to this, I shall prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty - to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.” The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume II, “Letter to Joshua F. Speed” (August 24, 1855), p. 323. and > [@](#): > > “I have never studied the art of paying compliments to women; but I must say that if all that has been said by orators and poets since the creation of the world in praise of women were applied to the women of America, it would not do them justice for their conduct during this war. I will close by saying, God bless the women of America!” The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume VII, “Remarks at Closing of Sanitary Fair, Washington D.C.” (March 18, 1864), p. 254. and > [@](#): > > "At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it? Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never! All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Bonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years. At what point, then, is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide. The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume I, "Address Before the Young Men’s Lyceum of Springfield, Illinois (January 27, 1838), p. 109. and > [@](#): > > “I have been shown in the files of the War Department a statement of the Adjutant General of Massachusetts, that you are the mother of five sons who have died gloriously on the field of battle. I feel how weak and fruitless must be any words of mine which should attempt to beguile you from the grief of a loss so overwhelming. But I cannot refrain from tendering to you the consolation that may be found in the thanks of the Republic they died to save. I pray that our Heavenly Father may assuage the anguish of your bereavement, and leave you only the cherished memory of the loved and lost, and the solemn pride that must be yours, to have laid so costly a sacrifice upon the altar of Freedom.” The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume VIII, “Letter to Mrs. Lydia Bixby” (November 21, 1864), pp. 116-117. I’m sure he would be honored to have Cheeto approve of his work. You know it means a lot coming from him because he has great words. Phenomenal words. The best words. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2017, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2826 "2017-03-30T03:41:53Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > And today’s Frederick Douglass moment goes to Susan B. Anthony, who [Trump is shocked](http://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/have-you-heard-of-susan-b-anthony-im-shocked-trump-stuns-women-at-empowerment-event/) that women have heard of. To be fair, he first heard about her himself earlier in the day when somebody handed him his speech for the event. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2017, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2827 "2017-03-30T03:51:28Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > To be fair, he first heard about her himself earlier in the day when somebody handed him his speech for the event. How would he? The Susan B. Anthony dollar is just too large for Trump to get a solid grasp upon with his tiny…oh, this is just too, too easy. It’s not even fun anymore. Maybe someone can convince Melania to modify his hair into a “pussy hat”-shaped do and spray it with pink dye. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2017, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2828 "2017-03-30T03:54:49Z")
Dear Og, ol’ Abe could put some words together. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2017, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2829 "2017-03-30T03:58:02Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > How would he? The Susan B. Anthony dollar is just too large for Trump to get a solid grasp upon with his tiny…oh, this is just too, too easy. It’s not even fun anymore. Maybe someone can convince Melania to modify his hair into a “pussy hat”-shaped do and spray it with pink dye. > > Stranger “Heard poor people have to use coins. Sad. All my money is big and has men on it.” ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2017, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2830 "2017-03-30T04:08:06Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > “Heard poor people have to use coins. Sad. All my money is big and has men on it.” Yeah, but it looks like [this](https://blog.fraudfighter.com/hubfs/Blog_images/E9717F23-75C7-453E-814D-2169B6AC75D9.jpg?t=1482966329683). Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2017, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2831 "2017-03-30T04:26:50Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > Yeah, but it looks like [this](https://blog.fraudfighter.com/hubfs/Blog_images/E9717F23-75C7-453E-814D-2169B6AC75D9.jpg?t=1482966329683). Or [this](http://www.coinweek.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/500.jpg). ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2017, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2832 "2017-03-30T04:46:36Z")
Way I heard it, Trump spent a bunch of time hearing about how American pharm companies pumped out a metric buttload of opioids, like vicodin and oxy, distributed them in a flood just about everywhere, all totally legal and somehow, some way, they ended up in the wrong hands! Gasp! And then Il Douche starts yammering on about how this proves we need the Wall, keep Mexican drug cartels from flooding our streets with drugs. Maybe this is just a story, which would be nice for once. Being right about him is cold comfort. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2017, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2833 "2017-03-30T04:47:16Z")
> [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](#): > > Or [this](http://www.coinweek.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/500.jpg). That would explain why he fevrently believes that he’s a billionaire. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2017, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2834 "2017-03-30T04:56:40Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > Dear Og, ol’ Abe could put some words together. Well, Trump can put words together, too. But when 'Bam did, they made sense.\* \*Kudos to anyone who sees what I did there. ---
**Author:** ![eulalia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eulalia/32/457_2.png) [@eulalia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eulalia)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2017, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2835 "2017-03-30T05:25:06Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > The situation really is hysterically funny - i guess they really didn’t think that whole “wall thing” through. > > It makes me really wonder about Trump. He’s supposedly a real estate super genius. Did he not think about how the wall would impact those river views? He’s really not going to be stupid enough to try and build on the Mexican side without permission, is he? > > I’m starting to seriously wonder what the hell was going on inside the Trump Organization. The ACHA debacle proves that “Mr. Art of the Deal” can’t negotiate worth a damn- I could do a whole essay on how horrible that negotiation was. > > And now he loses sight of the fact that a 30 foot wall next to a river is going to black the view? It’s not just views. People who don’t live in the dryer states don’t even think about access to water much, but people on both sides need access to the river for irrigation and drinking water. Whoever has the river on their side of the wall controls that access; does anyone think Mexico would just let us have it? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2017, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2836 "2017-03-30T07:35:01Z")
Does the Rio Grande even have that much water? What little I’ve seen of it, looks like a rather tired creek. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2017, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2837 "2017-03-30T12:55:28Z")
Somehow The Creeko Grande doesn’t have the right ring to it. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2017, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2838 "2017-03-30T13:09:40Z")
How about The Rio Tall? That’s one siza below Grande, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2017, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2839 "2017-03-30T13:12:12Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Does the Rio Grande even have that much water? What little I’ve seen of it, looks like a rather tired creek. By the time it gets to the Border, quite a bit has been sucked out for irrigation upstream. I knew some folks with pecan farms in Las Cruces & they used a lot… ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2017, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2840 "2017-03-30T13:20:15Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > How about The Rio Tall? That’s one siza below Grande, isn’t it? You win the Internet! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=141) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=143)