# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1436
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2018, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28705 "2018-12-31T16:48:12Z")
Let’s have more of this! [**Howard Dean: Dems can’t negotiate with Trump on shutdown because he’s ’mentally incapacitated’**](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/423296-howard-dean-dems-cant-negotiate-with-trump-on-shutdown-because-hes) > [@](#): > > Former Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean on Sunday called President Trump “mentally incapacitated,” and said Democrats can’t negotiate with someone “irrational” to end the partial government shutdown. > > “I actually think the president is mentally incapacitated and I have thought so for quite some time,” Dean, a frequent critic of Trump’s known for his polarizing comments, said on MSNBC. > > “He says things that he knows aren’t true I suspect and that somehow he thinks that people are going to believe. And they just don’t.” > > “You can’t really make a bargain with somebody who is irrational, because they won’t keep it,” Dean went on to say. “The Republicans and the Democrats in Congress have got to do the best they can to run this country in the absence of the chief executive. Until the Republicans realize they have an obligation to the country, not just their party, that’s not going to happen.” > … This is absolutely true. If the Dems are stupid enough to make some kind of a “deal” with thump, he will simply forget what he said, deny it, change his mind (so to speak), ignore it, and in the end blame the Democrats for whatever unfavorable outcome results. The man cannot be trusted at all. He is not going to change. This is who he has always been and will always be. World without end. Amen. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2018, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28706 "2018-12-31T17:14:21Z")
There was a [thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=676794) some while back in which posters described first-hand experience with psychosis. Apparently, you, the psychotic, are normal, but the rest of the world is all skewed up. This is consistent with Individual-1’s behavior, and, disturbingly, he has convinced a fair number of people to buy into his madness, his efforts to make reality conform to the gnatfest in his head. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2018, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28707 "2018-12-31T17:19:17Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Let’s have more of this! > > [**Howard Dean: Dems can’t negotiate with Trump on shutdown because he’s ’mentally incapacitated’**](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/423296-howard-dean-dems-cant-negotiate-with-trump-on-shutdown-because-hes) > This is absolutely true. If the Dems are stupid enough to make some kind of a “deal” with thump, he will simply forget what he said, deny it, change his mind (so to speak), ignore it, and in the end blame the Democrats for whatever unfavorable outcome results. The man cannot be trusted at all. He is not going to change. This is who he has always been and will always be. World without end. Amen. Yep, we can’t give any quarter to that crook. He should just be ignored as much as possible. Like don’t acknowledge he exists ignored. Drive the fucker crazy(er). ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2018, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28708 "2018-12-31T18:42:09Z")
Keep 'em coming. Take a number and get in line. [**Brennan hopes GOP abandons Trump in 2019 over ‘malfeasance, corruption’**](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/423323-brennan-exposure-of-trumps-corruption-will-hopefully-convince) > [@](#): > > Former CIA Director John Brennan said Monday it was his “sincere hope” that enough Republicans would abandon President Trump in 2019 after learning of what he called his “malfeasance and corruption.” > > “It is my sincere hope that the forthcoming exposure of your malfeasance & corruption will convince enough Republicans to abandon you in 2019,” Brennan tweeted. “We have had enough of your whining from the White House. We need an actual leader—our Nation’s future is at stake.” > … ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2018, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28709 "2018-12-31T18:57:19Z")
Oh, good fucking grief. :dubious: [**Trump to appear on Fox News for New Year’s Eve special**](https://thehill.com/homenews/media/423310-trump-to-appear-on-fox-news-for-new-years-eve-special) > [@](#): > > Fox News announced Monday its plans to present an exclusive interview with President Trump during the network’s New Year’s Eve special, with “Fox & Friends Weekend” host Pete Hegseth conducting the discussion. > > “President Trump will discuss the government shutdown, his New Year’s resolutions and what he hopes to accomplish in 2019,” the network said in its announcement. > > Trump has appeared on Fox News’s New Year’s Eve special before, including in 2016 as president-elect with his family in an interview from his Mar-a-Lago property in Florida. > > Hegseth has interviewed the president before, including most recently on Sept. 7. > … > > With the Hegseth interview, Trump has been interviewed by Fox News or Fox Business more than three dozen times since taking office, while not granting any interviews to cable news rivals CNN or MSNBC as president. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2018, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28710 "2018-12-31T19:01:14Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > [**Howard Dean: Dems can’t negotiate with Trump on shutdown because he’s ’mentally incapacitated’**](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/423296-howard-dean-dems-cant-negotiate-with-trump-on-shutdown-because-hes) Feh! Howard Dean’s crazy. Remember that time he got enthusiastic because he was happy? ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2018, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28711 "2018-12-31T19:03:16Z")
> [@Max\_Torque](#): > > It’s bound to be Roger Stone. He’s the most [openly-pervy](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2008/06/02/the-dirty-trickster) person in Trump’s orbit. Interesting. > [@eschereal](#): > > There was a [thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=676794) some while back in which posters described first-hand experience with psychosis. Apparently, you, the psychotic, are normal, but the rest of the world is all skewed up. This is consistent with Individual-1’s behavior, and, disturbingly, he has convinced a fair number of people to buy into his madness, his efforts to make reality conform to the gnatfest in his head. I try to give people with mental issues a break, but Chump gets no such pass from me. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2018, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28712 "2018-12-31T19:03:26Z")
Trump tweeted today, “I’m in the Oval Office. Democrats, come back from vacation now and give us the votes necessary for Border Security, including the Wall. You voted yes in 2006 and 2013. One more yes, but with me in office, I’ll get it built, and Fast!” > But people at the White House are saying there was no Marine guard in front of the doors to the Oval Office, which means: 1-Trump was lying about being there, or 2-The Marine guard is AWOL. > **[Did Trump lie about being in the Oval Office this morning?](https://www.dailydot.com/debug/trump-oval-office-lie/)** > > President Donald Trump tweeted on Monday that he was in the Oval Office and wanted Democrats to work with him on his border wall funding. But was he? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2018, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28713 "2018-12-31T20:26:21Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Trump tweeted today, “I’m in the Oval Office. Democrats, come back from vacation now and give us the votes necessary for Border Security, including the Wall. You voted yes in 2006 and 2013. One more yes, but with me in office, I’ll get it built, and Fast!” > [https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1079763419908243456](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1079763419908243456) > > But people at the White House are saying there was no Marine guard in front of the doors to the Oval Office, which means: > 1-Trump was lying about being there, or > 2-The Marine guard is AWOL. > > [https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/trump-oval-office-lie/](https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/trump-oval-office-lie/) With any luck, thump is in that fake Oval Office that the MI team built inside the semi and he’s being driven out to some salt flats in Utah somewhere, where there’s no cell phone reception and where the trailer will be unhitched and abandoned. Some people are saying Mitt Romney is behind it, but \<_shrug_\>… ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2018, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28714 "2018-12-31T20:38:37Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > I try to give people with mental issues a break, but Chump gets no such pass from me. I think the best-suited analogy is that I will give a person with mental issues all the help they can get, up to the point where they reach for a gun or try to take a seat in the cockpit. ---
**Author:** ![Anxious\_Squirrel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/anxious_squirrel/32/1083_2.png) [@Anxious\_Squirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anxious_Squirrel)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2019, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28715 "2019-01-01T00:52:02Z")
[https://twitter.com/i/status/1079276157558648832](https://twitter.com/i/status/1079276157558648832) My new favorite person made a song about the terrible orange and tweeted it at him. If you’ve been feeling down, today, perhaps this might make you feel a bit better. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2019, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28716 "2019-01-01T14:40:53Z")
Keep it coming… [**The White House is now a madhouse: The next President will make America greater just by showing up**](https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-oped-the-white-house-is-now-a-madhouse-20181231-story.html) > [@](#): > > I drove past the White House the other day. It’d been a while and the place seemed smaller, somewhat tawdry, almost haunted. I imagined bats winging in and out of it, spider webs in the corners and the President upstairs in the family quarters, talking back to the TV, railing against Pelosi, the Fed, Mueller, Macron, May, Mattis, Sessions, Stormy and … who am I forgetting? Oh, yes, Obama for, well, everything. The car slowed. I thought I heard a wail from the upper floor. Donald Trump going mad. > > Or maybe I am. I would not be surprised. Trump has that effect on people. It’s hard to believe we’re into another year and he’s still the President of the United States. The shock of it has not worn off. He has never achieved normalcy. Often when I see him on TV, I react with a kind of nausea: Him! How? I know, the Electoral College. I know, a slice of three states. Yes, yes, but how did we elect such a dummy, such a liar, such a baby, such a fool, such a dirty man? > > … My emphasis. The next President will win the Nobel Prize for simply not wearing his underpants on his head. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2019, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28717 "2019-01-01T15:22:37Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Trump tweeted today, “I’m in the Oval Office. Democrats, come back from vacation now and give us the votes necessary for Border Security, including the Wall. You voted yes in 2006 and 2013. One more yes, but with me in office, I’ll get it built, and Fast!” > [https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1079763419908243456](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1079763419908243456) > > But people at the White House are saying there was no Marine guard in front of the doors to the Oval Office, which means: > 1-Trump was lying about being there, or > 2-The Marine guard is AWOL. > > [https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/trump-oval-office-lie/](https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/trump-oval-office-lie/) He was just out for a minute to fetch another stack of blank bills, Marine in tow, and got lost. His [del]keepers[/del] staff will find him and bring him back. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2019, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28718 "2019-01-01T15:59:36Z")
Tell ‘em to take their time. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2019, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28719 "2019-01-01T18:23:30Z")
Like two years and twenty days. Find a 24/7/365(6) McDonald’s and turn him loose in the playland. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2019, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28720 "2019-01-01T20:41:02Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Keep it coming… > > [**The White House is now a madhouse: The next President will make America greater just by showing up**](https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-oped-the-white-house-is-now-a-madhouse-20181231-story.html) > > The next President will win the Nobel Prize for simply not wearing his underpants on his head. There have recently been [some](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34277960?SThisFB&fbclid=IwAR1Ikz-oBy2Dg_OcCnWMdcbd8l9Hf5mefeQlVTnxONhnJd7fOPXLXfI-GKE) [headlines](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/09/18/former-top-nobel-official-says-maybe-obamas-peace-prize-was-not-such-a-good-idea/72396794/) about a book by one Geir Lundestad, a Nobel committee insider, who says that Obama’s Peace Prize did not have the effect the committee intended, due to negative response by some in the US. The headlines claim that the committee members regret bestowing the prize on Obama, but that is not at all what Lundestad said. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28721 "2019-01-02T00:46:02Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > There have recently been [some](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34277960?SThisFB&fbclid=IwAR1Ikz-oBy2Dg_OcCnWMdcbd8l9Hf5mefeQlVTnxONhnJd7fOPXLXfI-GKE) [headlines](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/09/18/former-top-nobel-official-says-maybe-obamas-peace-prize-was-not-such-a-good-idea/72396794/) about a book by one Geir Lundestad, a Nobel committee insider, who says that Obama’s Peace Prize did not have the effect the committee intended, due to negative response by some in the US. The headlines claim that the committee members regret bestowing the prize on Obama, but that is not at all what Lundestad said. I think this needs a little more expansion. From your second link: > [@](#): > > In a just-released book, Geir Lundestad, director of the Nobel Institute for 25 years until stepping down last year, said the prize committee had expected the honor to deliver a boost to Obama, something he believes did not happen. > > Speaking to The Associated Press, Lundestad, who sat in on the secretive committee’s meetings but did not have a vote, said the committee “thought it would strengthen Obama and it didn’t have this effect.” > … My emphasis. IOW they Nobel committee thought the prize would strengthen Obama’s position, but it didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28722 "2019-01-02T02:24:29Z")
Gosh, I wonder if there will be a [primary challenger](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-romney/romney-attacks-trump-saying-he-causes-dismay-around-the-world-idUSKCN1OW02X?il=0) to Trump in 2020? (Reuters) > [@](#): > > Mitt Romney, the former Republican presidential candidate and incoming U.S. senator from Utah, sharply criticized President Donald Trump and suggested the U.S. leader had caused dismay around the world. > > \ > > “The appointment of senior persons of lesser experience, the abandonment of allies who fight beside us, and the president’s thoughtless claim that America has long been a ‘sucker’ in world affairs all defined his presidency down,” he wrote. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28723 "2019-01-02T02:56:49Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > I think this needs a little more expansion. From your second link: > My emphasis. IOW they Nobel committee thought the prize would strengthen Obama’s position, but it didn’t. IMO your interpretation is clearly wrong. It’s obvious that the Nobel Committee thought they would be helping Obama gain super-strength, like the Hulk or Superman. It was prolly a serum in the little statue that was activated when his DNA touched it; ya know, like usual. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2019, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/28724 "2019-01-02T03:34:36Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > I think this needs a little more expansion. From your second link: > My emphasis. IOW they Nobel committee thought the prize would strengthen Obama’s position, but it didn’t. They WAY underestimated the hold that the right-wing narrative on “affirmative action” has in the USA. The right-wing narrative has always been that Obama only got the Nobel because he was a black man as POTUS. That’s ALWAYS the American right-wing narrative on race but the Nobel committee was in a position outside of American society looking in, so missed it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1435) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1437)