# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1468
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29345 "2019-01-12T22:40:57Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Huh? I think it’s more a case of “we ‘won’ and don’t give a fat flying orange fuck how”. You will notice that **Aspenglow** ’s post says “people”. That is a much broader category than “MAGAts”, or even “Republicans”. We know, from 538, that just now, almost 54% of America disapproves of Shitgibbon, that he has been above 50% disapproval since his 52nd day in [del]usurpery[/del] office, and from the week after that, he has not been better than 51.3% of ick. So, “we won …” is a damn small number of Americans, and even the “eh, whatevar” contingent is drifting/plunging toward the “holy-fuck-what-is-wrong-with-that-shitstain” camp. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29346 "2019-01-12T22:59:24Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Please help me understand English, > > CFSG: _ **Humanitarian Crisis at our Southern Border. I just got back and it is a far worse situation than almost anyone would understand, an invasion! I have been there numerous times – The Democrats Cryin’ Chuck and Nancy don’t know how bad and dangerous it is for our ENTIRE COUNTRY…** _ > > “Humanitarian Crisis”: _we are being invaded_! I am having a very hard time trying to make those two things fit together. What am I doing wrong? The only crisis we have, is the traitor bastard in the White House, and the other traitor bastards that keep covering for him and helping him. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29347 "2019-01-12T23:00:59Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > An “asset” is not _necessarily_ a willing co-conspirator. Oh, he is willing and knows. No way he does not know, or is unwilling. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29348 "2019-01-12T23:04:07Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Ain’t gonna happen. (Nor should it.) Why not? I sure wouldn’t mind. He says “elections have consequences”. The midterms don’t count I guess, because they didn’t go his way, but betrayal and treason should have consequences. And a good old fashioned hanging would send just the right message to the rest of the traitors, and anyone else considering it. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29349 "2019-01-12T23:06:38Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > We may all get their wish. Many already are. Of course, according to Trump, they like not getting paychecks. I think they should camp out on his golf courses. > > I think that one way out of this is that Trump supporters (except for the top 1%) are going to get hit the hardest. They will, or course, continue to avoid those nasty things called facts. I suspect that if Trump makes it to 2020, they will simply not vote. I hope the bastards in deepest darkest Trumpland aren’t getting their subsidies either. I really do. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29350 "2019-01-12T23:09:54Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > If he’s hurting them, they just imagine how much he’s hurting the people they don’t like. That one asshole did complain that he wasn’t hurting THE RIGHT people. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29351 "2019-01-12T23:14:58Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Why not? I sure wouldn’t mind. > > He says “elections have consequences”. The midterms don’t count I guess, because they didn’t go his way, but betrayal and treason should have consequences. > > And a good old fashioned hanging would send just the right message to the rest of the traitors, and anyone else considering it. Are you going full- **asahi** on us now? Yes, elections have consequences, and honestly, I feel like presidents and executroids are far too well insulated from the effects of their decisions or from bearing any of the cost of their mistakes, but hanging them really helps no one, ever. If you want to punish him, confiscate everything he owns and make him try to support his newly indigent family by folding tacos – the long, drawn-out punishment is much more satisfying, and the convict does not get the relief of the quick consummation. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29352 "2019-01-12T23:18:15Z")
The Border patrol Union supports Trump’s call for a wall. But just last week, they removed from their website a page from 2012 which explained why building a wall isn’t a good idea. [Border Patrol union deleted 2012 webpage opposing border wall - POLITICO](https://www.politico.com/amp/story/2019/01/11/border-patrol-union-deleted-2012-webpage-opposing-walls-and-fences-1081250)? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29353 "2019-01-12T23:38:28Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Oh, he is willing and knows. No way he does not know, or is unwilling. Operative word there was “necessarily”. As in ain’t necessarily so. For instance, if you were a professional paranoid, like Putin…a wildly successful paranoid, let it be noted…how likely would you be to advise a shit-for-brains motormouth as to your ultra-secret conspiracy? Wouldn’t it be simpler just to nail your pecker to a tree and set the tree on fire? I’m betting the plan was more along the lines of subversion. How hard would it be to convince Trump that his Russian buddies simply recognize his brilliance? That they are eager to lend money because they know a winner when they see him? Now, even given this scenario, it might still happen that he catches on. Eventually. But then…so what? He’s caught. Classic Moscow Centre money trap. Anyway, when the target is stupid and easily manipulated, a dupe is much less risky than a partner. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29354 "2019-01-12T23:41:14Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > …If you want to punish him, confiscate everything he owns and make him try to support his newly indigent family by folding tacos – the long, drawn-out punishment is much more satisfying, and the convict does not get the relief of the quick consummation. > [@](#): > > You know, it occurs to me that the best way you hurt rich people is by turning them into poor people. -[Billy Ray Valentine, Trading Places](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086465/quotes/?tab=qt&ref_=tt_trv_qu) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29355 "2019-01-12T23:41:25Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Why not? I sure wouldn’t mind… > > And a good old fashioned hanging would send just the right message to the rest of the traitors, and anyone else considering it. [ul][li]Because, like **kaylasdad99** , I think capital punishment is wrong.[/li][li]Killing a head of state is a bad precedent.[/li][\*]Once someone is dead, the punishment is over. I want The Traitor to America to suffer for the rest of a very long life for what he has done and is doing.[/ul] ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29356 "2019-01-12T23:46:33Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > I doubt it. I’m sure Putin reveres Lenin, considering Putin is still angry about the dissolution of the USSR. No, Putin is very anti-Lenin. I have zero doubt that the parallels here have occurred to Putin. > **[Vladimir Putin accuses Lenin of placing a 'time bomb' under Russia](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/25/vladmir-putin-accuses-lenin-of-placing-a-time-bomb-under-russia)** > > Russian president blames revolutionary’s federalism for break up of Soviet Union and creating ethnic tension in region Of course, it being Russia, Putin’s relationship with Communism is complicated. He doesn’t care for appeals to the revolutionary spirit of 1917, prefers to refer to Russia as having one uninterrupted existence from 1300-today, but he also won’t completely denounce it. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29357 "2019-01-12T23:59:59Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Are you going full- **asahi** on us now? Yes, elections have consequences, and honestly, I feel like presidents and executroids are far too well insulated from the effects of their decisions or from bearing any of the cost of their mistakes, but hanging them really helps no one, ever. If you want to punish him, confiscate everything he owns and make him try to support his newly indigent family by folding tacos – the long, drawn-out punishment is much more satisfying, and the convict does not get the relief of the quick consummation. Fine. Lock him up forever, hard time. You can’t just take all his shit away and let him run loose. He’ll just find ways (charities, scams, Russia) to get it all back and he is a giant unprecedented security risk. Hanging him OR locking him away forever to do hard time - after a fair PUBLIC trial of course - is not just about punishment. It stops him from doing any further leaking to the Russians, it tells the entire country that there is a law and no one is above it, and it sends a very clear message to any other traitors or wannabe traitors out there. Harsh punishment is the most clear and practical thing to do. He can NEVER go free. Not for all the damage he’s done and all the damage he **could STILL do later**. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2019, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29358 "2019-01-13T02:39:08Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Wow. > > Okay, so now you’re going from “correcting” me to trying to show that another usage could also be right? > > Hey: go fuck yourself, asshole. “Correct” me like that again and I won’t offer you an easy way out, I’ll just tell you to fuck off, k? Hahaha! You’re stupid when you’re dumb. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2019, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29359 "2019-01-13T02:40:47Z")
Putin’ goal is to re-institute Soviet era methodology without all the Commie nonsense that brought down the Soviet Union. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2019, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29360 "2019-01-13T02:45:51Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > Putin’ goal is to re-institute Soviet era methodology without all the Commie nonsense that brought down the Soviet Union. He’s already got American right-wingers to bend over and spread their ass cheeks for the Russian bear. This would have been unimaginable a generation ago. Putin is a magician. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2019, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29361 "2019-01-13T02:51:55Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > We aren’t actually. A _sitting_ president can be impeached, and subsequent to conviction, be removed from office; only _THEN_ can he be tried for treason, convicted, and executed. > > But as **Johnny L.A.** points out, he _shouldn’t_. This is because capital punishment is morally wrong, always and everywhere, and always has been, since the beginning of time. Just saying that’s what the debate may gravitate toward. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2019, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29362 "2019-01-13T02:57:22Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Oh, he is willing and knows. No way he does not know, or is unwilling. Actually - I think he simply doesn’t care - he (in his mind) is ‘winning’ and that is all that matters - he doesn’t care about the rules, laws or anything else - they simply don’t apply to him. He’s the guy who thinks he’s smarter than the nigerian prince - so smart/stable that he can’t be manipulated - and that’s exactly why he does. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2019, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29363 "2019-01-13T02:58:38Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Just saying that’s what the debate may gravitate toward. ‘We’re gonna give you a fair trial, followed by a first class hanging.’ ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2019, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29364 "2019-01-13T03:00:21Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > ‘We’re gonna give you a fair trial, followed by a first class hanging.’ Now you’re talkin’. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1467) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1469)