# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1491
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29805 "2019-01-21T01:17:16Z")
Wasn’t being able to make deals the one skill Trump was supposed to have? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29806 "2019-01-21T01:24:32Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > There’s speculation online that Trump confused San Antonio and San Diego. > > The 25th Amendment evidence keeps piling up. Some instances are minor, sure—but there are so _many_ of them. > [https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3016215](https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3016215) was kinda hoping he’d say San Jose. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29807 "2019-01-21T01:29:53Z")
Sidebar, please: I’m viewing this thread on Tapatalk and it shows on the list of the Pit threads with a pastiche of Nancy and Chuck superimposed on American Gothic. Is anyone else seeing that? Why? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29808 "2019-01-21T01:32:55Z")
> [@simster](#): > > was kinda hoping he’d say San Jose. I don’t think he knows the way. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29809 "2019-01-21T01:34:36Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Sidebar, please: I’m viewing this thread on Tapatalk and it shows on the list of the Pit threads with a pastiche of Nancy and Chuck superimposed on American Gothic. Is anyone else seeing that? Why? They’re making fun of Nancy and Chuck’s podium speech last week. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29810 "2019-01-21T01:51:50Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > They’re making fun of Nancy and Chuck’s podium speech last week. It’s a fair cop. They should have ditched the flags and podium, and done it from a bar. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29811 "2019-01-21T01:56:02Z")
> [@Dropo](#): > > Can’t speak for lawyers, good or bad, but the repetition of Mr. G’s buffoon act seems calculated. It fits a Trump pattern of creating numerous superficial controversies for the town, media and public to digest. Such buffoonery could always be disavowed (“You’re fired!”) or equivocated (“Rudy didn’t understand what I told him.”), so there is no perceived risk of actual consequences. > > In Trump’s ignorant, compulsively lying mind, words are cheap and have no integrity… similar, I imagine, to how he views most people. And after successfully selling himself as a president, I think he feels he can sell anything, including his own innocence. I think your post is extremely insightful. And it makes Trump the most easily manipulated useful idiot imaginable. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29812 "2019-01-21T02:19:06Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > They’re making fun of Nancy and Chuck’s podium speech last week. Who is “They”? Why is there a picture for this thread, but no others? Do the Tapatalk people insert it? Just puzzled by it all. Why don’t other threads in the other forums have pix? ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29813 "2019-01-21T02:39:11Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Who is “They”? Why is there a picture for this thread, but no others? Do the Tapatalk people insert it? > > Just puzzled by it all. Why don’t other threads in the other forums have pix? Wondering the same thing myself! Also viewing with Tapatalk. Does not appear on my desktop. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29814 "2019-01-21T06:54:37Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Pure speculation, but my WAG— based primarily on the failure of the administration to immediately and vociferously deny the allegations (and their circumlocutory spokestooge’s dogged refusal to say “no, it never happened” when pressed) and especially Trump’s own highly uncharacteristic Twitter silence on the matter— is that the foundation of the Buzzfeed story is true (that Trump was pursuing a business deal in Russia and directed Cohen, either explicitly or implicitly, to lie about it). They were (and probably still are) freaking out wondering who said what to whom, and what supporting evidence the investigators have gotten their hands on. That is the only credible reason that we wouldn’t have been subjected to a barrage of “FAKE NEWS!!!” tweets from Trump’s press office/shitter starting at the crack 'o dawn yesterday. Check out [emptywheel’s detailed dive](https://www.emptywheel.net/2019/01/19/peter-carr-speaks/) into the Buzzfeed brouhaha – much becomes clear. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29815 "2019-01-21T07:31:17Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > I can see “Wall-Tunnel-Ladder” replacing “Rock-Paper-Scissors”., only _both_ tunnel and ladder beat wall. Kind of like Joey Tribianni’s version of RPS in which rock breaks scissors and smashes through paper. Wall-Tunnel-Ladder-Lizard-Spock [ul][li]Tunnel bypasses Wall[/li][li]Ladder blocks Tunnel[/li][li]Tunnel collapses on Spock[/li][li]Spock catches Lizard[/li][li]Lizard climbs Ladder[/li][li]Ladder overcomes Wall[/li][li]Wall perplexes Spock[/li][li]Spock climbs Ladder[/li][li]Lizard traverses Tunnel[/li][li]Wall traps Lizard[/li][/ul] or something like that ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29816 "2019-01-21T12:25:32Z")
Makes about as much sense as anything Donny Two-scoops has said, except you left out ‘beautiful.’ ---
**Author:** ![JB99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/439d5e/32.png) [@JB99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JB99)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29817 "2019-01-21T14:47:13Z")
> [@Dropo](#): > > Can’t speak for lawyers, good or bad, but the repetition of Mr. G’s buffoon act seems calculated. It fits a Trump pattern of creating numerous superficial controversies for the town, media and public to digest. Such buffoonery could always be disavowed (“You’re fired!”) or equivocated (“Rudy didn’t understand what I told him.”), so there is no perceived risk of actual consequences. > > In Trump’s ignorant, compulsively lying mind, words are cheap and have no integrity… similar, I imagine, to how he views most people. And after successfully selling himself as a president, I think he feels he can sell anything, including his own innocence. Yep. And the best part is when he genuinely appears surprised at the results. Like when Trump made statements that appeared to be anti-Muslim, and then those same statements bit him in the ass when the first round of his Muslim Ban went to court. It’s like he never considered that the words he says are actually evidence that can be used to discern motive. He just thinks that words cease to exist as soon as they are uttered. The sad part is that many of the Red-Hat Retards appear to be under this same misapprehension. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29818 "2019-01-21T14:52:17Z")
> [@JB99](#): > > Red-Hat Retards Red MAGA hats are the new white hoods. ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29819 "2019-01-21T14:56:12Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Red MAGA hats are the new white hoods. At least the KKK recognized what they were doing was wrong in some way, and chose to hide behind their masks. Not anymore… ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29820 "2019-01-21T15:15:36Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > When did Anne of Green Goebbels Coulter begin to matter again? She sank into oblivion, and now all of a sudden she’s a heavyweight? Anyway, she’s already out there screaming “Amnesty!”. Maybe that matters, God along knows what does, these days. Some dumb fuck pulled the wooden stake from her chest. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29821 "2019-01-21T15:20:17Z")
> [@Dropo](#): > > Can’t speak for lawyers, good or bad, but the repetition of Mr. G’s buffoon act seems calculated. It fits a Trump pattern of creating numerous superficial controversies for the town, media and public to digest. Such buffoonery could always be disavowed (“You’re fired!”) or equivocated (“Rudy didn’t understand what I told him.”), so there is no perceived risk of actual consequences. This sounds too much like fourth-dimensional chess to me. You don’t distract attention away from a scandal by revealing a different scandal. Any politician, even Donald Trump, needs to care about public opinion. He’s going to be judged by public opinion next year. A politician always tries to make himself look better than he really is. So as incompetent as Trump looks, we should consider this perception is the result of a major effort to conceal the reality that he’s much more incompetent than that. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29822 "2019-01-21T15:58:23Z")
Yeah, I’m not seeing deep thought at work, either. Trump’s schtick for decades has been to create a false reality, then sell that reality with confidence in the hopes that someone else will accept that false reality as the\* real\* reality. At that point you are a sucker and he has made his sale (or you’re a supporter and he has your vote). If the lies coming from Trump & Giuliani seem more and more ridiculous, they are just following this pattern of repeating the nonsense until it is finally accepted as fact. They really have nothing else to work with. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29823 "2019-01-21T16:33:24Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Red MAGA hats are the new white hoods. They are not so much hats as caps. They ought to be known as the maga redcaps, just for the sake of twisting them. besides, there is a [Red Hat Society](https://www.redhatsociety.com/) already, which should in no way be connected with magats ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Duality](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.duality/32/4098_2.png) [@Mr.Duality](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Duality)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29824 "2019-01-21T16:36:49Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > I can see “Wall-Tunnel-Ladder” replacing “Rock-Paper-Scissors”., only _both_ tunnel and ladder beat wall. Kind of like Joey Tribianni’s version of RPS in which rock breaks scissors and smashes through paper. You forgot “boat”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1490) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1492)