# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1497
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2019, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29925 "2019-01-24T13:45:29Z")
Unnamed Trump “advisers” (whoever they are) want him to stop Giuliani from doing interviews [while drunk.](http://https://www.newsweek.com/rudy-giuliani-donald-trump-media-tv-appearances-1301162) ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2019, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29926 "2019-01-24T15:18:18Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Unnamed Trump “advisers” (whoever they are) want him to stop Giuliani from doing interviews [while drunk.](https://www.newsweek.com/rudy-giuliani-donald-trump-media-tv-appearances-1301162) Your link has an extra http:// in it. I’ve taken the liberty of fixing it, above. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2019, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29927 "2019-01-24T15:58:57Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Unnamed Trump “advisers” (whoever they are) want him to stop Giuliani from doing interviews [while drunk.](http://https://www.newsweek.com/rudy-giuliani-donald-trump-media-tv-appearances-1301162) Trump demands all his lawyers be on the same Adderall he’s on. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2019, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29928 "2019-01-24T16:07:57Z")
[Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross just can’t understand why federal workers are going to food pantries during the shut down. Why don’t they just take out loans?!](https://thehill.com/policy/finance/426741-ross-i-dont-quite-understand-why-federal-workers-need-food-banks-during) > [@Wilbur](#): > > So the 30 days of pay that some people will be out, there’s no real reason why they shouldn’t be able to get a loan against it, and we’ve seen a number of ads of financial institutions doing that. I mean, if anyone knows about making due with less, it’s Wilbur Ross. The man is worth only $700 million in a cabinet full of billionaires. These sad sack federal workers should really listen to what he has to say. Maybe he could start a blog for them. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2019, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29929 "2019-01-24T16:56:07Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Your link has an extra http:// in it. I’ve taken the liberty of fixing it, above. {Tip o’ the hat} 😉 > [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > I mean, if anyone knows about making due with less, it’s Wilbur Ross. The man is worth only $700 million in a cabinet full of billionaires. Maybe if he learned to budget and save … ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2019, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29930 "2019-01-24T19:19:19Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > [Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross just can’t understand why federal workers are going to food pantries during the shut down. Why don’t they just take out loans?!](https://thehill.com/policy/finance/426741-ross-i-dont-quite-understand-why-federal-workers-need-food-banks-during) > > I mean, if anyone knows about making due with less, it’s Wilbur Ross. The man is worth only $700 million in a cabinet full of billionaires. These sad sack federal workers should really listen to what he has to say. Maybe he could start a blog for them. Hm. I just read this morning that he’s worth $1.9 billion. He’s also on the board of the Bank of Cyprus, which launders Putin money. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2019, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29931 "2019-01-24T19:37:12Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Hm. I just read this morning that he’s worth $1.9 billion. [Forbes](http://time.com/money/5013112/wilbur-ross-net-worth-forbes-2-billion-transfer/) thinks he’s worth a mere 700 million, as reported by **Happy**. And he’s probably been lying about his net worth for quite some time: > [@](#): > > What’s more, Forbes reports that Ross may have been overstating his wealth at least since he first appeared on The Forbes 400 in 2004, when the publication estimated his net worth at $1 billion. Forbes now says that this amount “was nearly four times as much as he was likely worth” at the time. [Bloomberg](https://www.bloomberg.com/billionaires/profiles/wilbur-l-ross/) says 860 million. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2019, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29932 "2019-01-24T19:37:55Z")
[Apparently Ross went to the Trump School of Accounting.](http://time.com/money/5013112/wilbur-ross-net-worth-forbes-2-billion-transfer/) ETA: Ninja’d by thatmuch! ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2019, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29933 "2019-01-24T19:39:50Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > [Forbes](http://time.com/money/5013112/wilbur-ross-net-worth-forbes-2-billion-transfer/) thinks he’s worth a mere 700 million, as reported by **Happy**. He should take out a loan at the bank. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2019, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29934 "2019-01-24T19:44:54Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > I believe the term is _moral turpitude_, but yeah, ISTM Trump has the same stench as turpentine. Turpitude, turpentine, either way, impeach the motherfucker. > [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > I mean, if anyone knows about making due with less, it’s Wilbur Ross. The man is worth only $700 million in a cabinet full of billionaires. These sad sack federal workers should really listen to what he has to say. Maybe he could start a blog for them. I assume that he is actually a position to make money off of people taking out loans, so it’s only sensible that he would be advertising for them. Where can someone with little credit history get a loan on short notice? Not at a standard bank with prime +1 interest rates and low origination fees, that’s for sure. He wants them to go to the predatory, err, I mean payday lenders, who, with high origination and renewal fees will ensnare these people in a perpetual cycle of debt. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2019, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29935 "2019-01-24T20:04:57Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > He wants them to go to the predatory, err, I mean payday lenders, who, with high origination and renewal fees will ensnare these people in a perpetual cycle of debt. Or maybe he figures they can just go to the [Bank of Cyprus](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/23/wilbur-ross-russian-deal-bank-of-cyprus-donald-trump-commerce-secretary), and get a couple million dollar 0 interest loan, to be paid back never. They just have to say they are friends of Putin. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2019, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29936 "2019-01-24T21:16:45Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > … if anyone knows about making due with less … No one knows about that: the expression is “making do”. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2019, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29937 "2019-01-24T21:58:21Z")
Larry Kudlow, I-1’s financial advisor, said today that federal workers are “volunteering” to come to work without pay. When challenged by a reporter, he said, it’s because they respect the President. > ---
**Author:** ![HelenGawn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@HelenGawn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelenGawn)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2019, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29938 "2019-01-24T23:10:38Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > [Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross just can’t understand why federal workers are going to food pantries during the shut down. Why don’t they just take out loans?!](https://thehill.com/policy/finance/426741-ross-i-dont-quite-understand-why-federal-workers-need-food-banks-during) > > I mean, if anyone knows about making due with less, it’s Wilbur Ross. The man is worth only $700 million in a cabinet full of billionaires. These sad sack federal workers should really listen to what he has to say. Maybe he could start a blog for them. > [@Mr Ed's dumber friend](#): > > You’re talking about 800,000 workers and while I feel sorry for the individuals that have hardship cases, 800,000 workers, if they never got their pay — which is not the case, they will eventually get it, but if they never got it, you’re talking about a third of a percent on GDP so it’s not like it’s a gigantic number overall. The US Secretary of Commerce - _Commerce_ - doesn’t understand the multiplier effect. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29939 "2019-01-25T00:25:02Z")
[A new candidate for an acting something in the Trump “administration”](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-florida-politics/floridas-secretary-of-state-resigns-after-blackface-photo-surfaces-idUSKCN1PI335?il=0). (Reuters) > [@](#): > > Florida’s newly appointed secretary of state resigned on Thursday after the Tallahassee Democrat newspaper published photos showing him cross-dressed and in blackface with a T-shirt reading “Katrina Victim” at a Halloween party 14 years ago. > > Michael Ertel said in a two-line letter to Governor Ron DeSantis, a fellow Republican, that he was resigning effective immediately. Maybe he can take Mick Mulvaney’s place and become the acting acting chief of staff. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29940 "2019-01-25T00:26:01Z")
Are the Cabinet Chair Moisteners getting paid during the shutdown? Hard to imagine them being essential to anything. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29941 "2019-01-25T04:48:45Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > As Benjamin Wittes pointed out today, the thing to keep in mind is that only one president in he last seventy-five years has polled lower than Trump at this point in his first term. > > Two years later Ronald Reagan went on to lose all but 49 states. AT this point in his term, Reagan was also dealing with the fallout of a deliberately induced recession (designed by Carter appointee Volker to end the high inflation of the 70’s). The economy would Come back in Reagan’s term and he also had the Grenada Invasion to boost his popularity. Trump inherited a good economy and hasn’t managed to destroy it yet, but still his ratings are in the toilet and he keeps flushing. That speaks volumes about him. My fear is he is going to thinks he needs a Grenada to make him popular. ---
**Author:** ![HelenGawn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@HelenGawn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelenGawn)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29942 "2019-01-25T05:02:54Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > AT this point in his term, Reagan was also dealing with the fallout of a deliberately induced recession (designed by Carter appointee Volker to end the high inflation of the 70’s). > > The economy would Come back in Reagan’s term and he also had the Grenada Invasion to boost his popularity. > > Trump inherited a good economy and hasn’t managed to destroy it yet, but still his ratings are in the toilet and he keeps flushing. > > That speaks volumes about him. > > My fear is he is going to thinks he needs a Grenada to make him popular. He and Bolton are talking tough about Venezuela. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29943 "2019-01-25T05:35:52Z")
I-1 thinks furloughed workers should be able to go to their local supermarket and ask them for free food. > **[President Donald Trump does not appear to understand how grocery stores work](https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/trump-shutdown-federal-government-store-credit-13559731.php)** > > President Donald Trump, attempting to clarify earlier statements by Commerce Secretary... ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/29944 "2019-01-25T05:44:18Z")
Oh, yes, the old “work along.” You ask them to “work along” and they work along. It’s commerce! There’s no reason to think people are in trouble right now! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1496) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1498)