# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 150
**Author:** ![Catamount](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/catamount/32/2840_2.png) [@Catamount](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Catamount)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2017, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2981 "2017-04-04T12:19:22Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > [So a study from the University of Helsinki says that Trump won because he’s so handsome.](https://heatst.com/politics/study-donald-trump-won-because-hes-just-so-damned-handsome/) This must be some definition of the word “handsome” that I was previously unaware of. ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2017, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2982 "2017-04-04T13:11:59Z")
> [@Catamount](#): > > This must be some definition of the word “handsome” that I was previously unaware of. Indeed. Trump has as much sex appeal as a road accident. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2017, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2983 "2017-04-04T13:40:28Z")
> [@oft\_wears\_hats](#): > > Indeed. Trump has as much sex appeal as a road accident. Then explain why people slow down and stare. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Claptree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/58f4c7/32.png) [@Claptree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claptree)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2017, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2984 "2017-04-04T14:31:37Z")
> [@Catamount](#): > > This must be some definition of the word “handsome” that I was previously unaware of. Those are some hands he has on him. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2017, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2985 "2017-04-04T14:43:15Z")
> [@Claptree](#): > > Those are some hands he has on him. It’s the [neck fat](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTUkYjxwLf0lXDvogtjIaKH-07DlW_px2g2_Dd7V4gPkOEgqbe2). Much like a bullfrog attracts a mate, Trump’s neck fat fascinates and hypnotizes low class Americans. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2017, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2986 "2017-04-04T14:52:48Z")
Benghazi!!! I was browsing my news feeds and out of morbid curiosity clicked on this Fox News link to see what the small percentage of the 36% of the population that approves of Trump AND who can read views as news. Personally, I thought the article read as political satire worthy of Swift. [Susan Rice caught ‘unmasking’ Trump aides as Democrats, liberal media do backflips to divert attention](http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/04/04/susan-rice-caught-unmasking-trump-aides-as-democrats-liberal-media-do-backflips-to-divert-attention.html) > [@](#): > > Enough with the smokescreens! Democrats, aided and abetted by their friends in the media, have long dismissed President Trump’s charges that he was “wiretapped” by former President Obama, even as evidence mounts that indeed surveillance of the Trump camp took place, and that information collected by so-called “incidental” monitoring was illegally leaked to the public. > > The left would rather focus on speculation that the Trump campaign colluded with Russian agents to undermine Hillary Clinton’s candidacy, even though to date there has been zero evidence to support any such charge. Zero evidence! So says Fox pundit! Take that, libtards!!! > [@](#): > > While Rice had legal access to the electronic eavesdropping, and though her exposure of the identities of the individuals involved might be excused under certain circumstances, it is clear she has lied about her involvement and also about what took place in the Obama White House. Wait a minute, Rice had legal access? But it’s clear she lied. OK, good. That’s much different than what Trump appointees have been doing with regards to Russian contacts. > [@](#): > > Under the harshest interpretation, it appears that Rice, possibly at the behest of President Obama, collected and distributed classified information about Trump and his associates with the sole purpose of politically damaging the incoming president. > > If that is true, President Obama and one of his closest advisers committed a massive breach of trust with the American people; they have also confirmed that their White House was the most politicized in our history. Under the \*harshest \*interpretation…_possibly_. Wow, Fox, it that the best you can do? _Massive breach of trust_…as contrasted with Russian collusion to damage Hillary? Wait for it… > [@](#): > > That won’t shock us. Many Americans will remember that Rice was the White House point person on Benghazi, telling Americans on the Sunday morning talk shows that the assault on the U.S. compound was a spontaneous outburst caused by an anti-Muslim video. > > She knew better, as did the White House. > > They knew the attack, which cost the lives of Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans, was carefully planned and executed – a horrible jihadi assault that contradicted Obama’s narrative of winning the war on terror. Connect the dot, sheeple!!! ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2017, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2987 "2017-04-04T16:26:07Z")
> [@oft\_wears\_hats](#): > > Indeed. Trump has as much sex appeal as a road accident. > [@Greg Giraldo to Gilbert Gottfried](#): > > “You have the sex appeal of a school bus fire.” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2017, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2988 "2017-04-04T18:29:06Z")
So apparently the Syrian government did a toxic gas attack on civilians today. Sean Spicer criticized the attack, and blamed Obama for it. When asked whether it might have had Russian involvement, he refused to answer those questions. > **[US officials: Early belief is that Syrian attack used sarin gas | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2017/04/04/politics/syria-chemical-attack-donald-trump-obama/)** > > White House press secretary Sean Spicer told reporters Tuesday that a gas attack in a rebel-controlled area of Syria was perpetrated by the forces tied to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and are a "consequence of the past administration's weakness... ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2017, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2989 "2017-04-04T18:41:31Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > So apparently the Syrian government did a toxic gas attack on civilians today. Sean Spicer criticized the attack, and blamed Obama for it. When asked whether it might have had Russian involvement, he refused to answer those questions. > [http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/04/politics/syria-chemical-attack-donald-trump-obama/](http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/04/politics/syria-chemical-attack-donald-trump-obama/) > [@](#): > > Spicer added: “President (Barack) Obama said in 2012 he would establish a red line against the use of chemical weapons and then did nothing. The United States stands with our allies across the globe to condemn this intolerable act.” And Obama is so powerful that he’s forcing Trump to do nothing also. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2017, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2990 "2017-04-04T18:46:32Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > And Obama is so powerful that he’s forcing Trump to do nothing also. It was a lot easier for Obama to do “something” back then. Doing “something” today involves military conflict with Russia. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2017, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2991 "2017-04-04T18:58:01Z")
So Russia is involved in this chemical attack, then? ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2017, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2992 "2017-04-04T19:08:01Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > So Russia is involved in this chemical attack, then? I don’t know. What I know is that any significant US military operation against Assad in Syria today (as opposed to when Obama’s “red line” was crossed) would involve military conflict with Russia. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2017, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2993 "2017-04-04T19:10:05Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > And Obama is so powerful that he’s forcing Trump to do nothing also. TRUMP: Oba-Ma Kenyobi is strong with the Force. I feel his bigly presence on the Trump Star, and that of my old mentor, ‘Old’ Jos Bi-Den. I will engage in a one-on-one duel with Bi-Den while allowing Oba-Ma to sneak away on the Prosperity Eagle with his smuggler pilot, Rich-Bran Solo and Princess Mich-Ell, so I can track them to their remote hidden base and destroy the Rebellion for good. SPICER: Kellyanne, have you seen the President’s dementia meds? He needs a double dose, stat! Stranger ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2017, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2994 "2017-04-04T19:11:07Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > I don’t know. What I know is that any significant US military operation against Assad in Syria today (as opposed to when Obama’s “red line” was crossed) would involve military conflict with Russia. Any military operation against Assad would ALWAYS have initiated conflict with Russia, no matter what Obama did or didn’t do. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2017, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2995 "2017-04-04T19:12:26Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Any military operation against Assad would ALWAYS have initiated conflict with Russia, no matter what Obama did or didn’t do. Diplomatic conflict - definitely. Military - no. Today it would involve military conflict. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2017, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2996 "2017-04-04T19:18:40Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Diplomatic conflict - definitely. Military - no. Today it would involve military conflict. Please expand on the “Diplomatic conflict” you are referring to. Can you be specific about the “something” that you feel Obama should have done? Sketch out in sufficient detail how you see this going down back then with everything working as well as you claim it could have. I would really love to see this easy plan that Obama just refused to carry out. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2017, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2997 "2017-04-04T19:32:10Z")
VaugeGOPing - Noun- That magical, yet never detailed thing the Republicans would have done in any situation that was handled by a Democrat that would have solved the problem. “Trump could have solved the ACA issue in 2009 no problem.” “How? He couldn’t come up with a solution in 2017 with a GOP-dominated congress and 8 years to figure out any shortcomings!” “He just would have!” “How? Specifically?” “He just would have!!” “VaugeGOPing!” ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2017, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2998 "2017-04-04T19:42:24Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > TRUMP: Oba-Ma Kenyobi is strong with the Force. I feel his bigly presence on the Trump Star, and that of my old mentor, ‘Old’ Jos Bi-Den. I will engage in a one-on-one duel with Bi-Den while allowing Oba-Ma to sneak away on the Prosperity Eagle with his smuggler pilot, Rich-Bran Solo and Princess Mich-Ell, so I can track them to their remote hidden base and destroy the Rebellion for good. > > SPICER: Kellyanne, have you seen the President’s dementia meds? He needs a double dose, stat! > > Stranger Funny! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2017, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/2999 "2017-04-04T20:00:13Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Diplomatic conflict - definitely. Military - no. Today it would involve military conflict. If Obama had gone in with force to Syria, many Americans would have died and the situation would have been made worse. I’m very glad he didn’t put guys I served with at risk just because he said “red line”. In retrospect, he shouldn’t have made the red-line statement, but I’m very, very glad that he didn’t stick to that bluff (or whatever you want to call it). Sending troops in would have gotten Americans killed, weakened our position internationally, and made the situation on the ground worse. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2017, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3000 "2017-04-04T20:04:08Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > If Obama had gone in with force to Syria, many Americans would have died and the situation would have been made worse. I’m very glad he didn’t put guys I served with at risk just because he said “red line”. In retrospect, he shouldn’t have made the red-line statement, but I’m very, very glad that he didn’t stick to that bluff (or whatever you want to call it). Sending troops in would have gotten Americans killed, weakened our position internationally, and made the situation on the ground worse. I think his claim is that Obama could have defused the situation with “diplomatic conflict”, whatever that means, but he just refused to do it, and now Trump has no option but to go to war with Russia so his hands are tied. I’m still waiting for clarification though. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=149) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=151)