# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 151
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2017, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3001 "2017-04-04T20:27:53Z")
Trump buddy Roger Stone is accusing Jared Kushner of passing on fake news about the Trump administration. [Roger Stone claims Kushner is leaking info on Bannon to MSNBC | Washington Examiner](http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/roger-stone-claims-kushner-is-leaking-info-about-bannon-to-msnbc/article/2619325#)! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2017, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3002 "2017-04-04T20:32:13Z")
**Rick**? _The Washington Examiner_? We talked about this, yes? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2017, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3003 "2017-04-04T20:48:18Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > **Rick**? _The Washington Examiner_? We talked about this, yes? There were several different cites, but I didn’t think Raw Story would be a good source. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2017, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3004 "2017-04-04T22:17:26Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > Please expand on the “Diplomatic conflict” you are referring to. > > Can you be specific about the “something” that you feel Obama should have done? “Diplomatic conflict” - strongly worded condemnations of each other, cooling of relations, propaganda wars, UN resolutions. “Something” that Obama could have done is military assault on Assad forces that were involved in chemical attacks or declaring a no-fly zone over Syria. Stuff that Trump physically cannot do today, due to heavy Russian military presence in Syria. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2017, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3005 "2017-04-04T23:04:24Z")
But Putin is his buddy! He’ll understand. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2017, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3006 "2017-04-04T23:58:10Z")
I am thinking of trying my hand at some animation and thought this might be a good thread to ask for a suggestions. It would be along the lines of _Bannon Bannon Bannon Bannon Bannon Bannon Bannon Bannon Mushroom Mushroom_ and so forth. I know what I want to use for the Mushroom, but the third thing, who would have the best impact? ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2017, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3007 "2017-04-05T00:04:22Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > I am thinking of trying my hand at some animation and thought this might be a good thread to ask for a suggestions. It would be along the lines of > _Bannon Bannon Bannon Bannon > Bannon Bannon Bannon Bannon > Mushroom Mushroom_ > and so forth. I know what I want to use for the Mushroom, but the third thing, who would have the best impact? ICBM ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2017, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3008 "2017-04-05T00:41:22Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > ICBM Wrong meter. Try “nuke”. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2017, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3009 "2017-04-05T00:45:17Z")
Who says Trump hasn’t distinguished himself in any way? (My bold.) “President Trump’s Record-Low Approval Rating Continues to Slide” > **[President Trump’s 100 Days of Record-Low Approval Ratings (Published 2017)](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/02/28/us/politics/the-highs-and-lows-of-trumps-approval.html)** > > President Trump has the lowest job approval of any president since Gallup began tracking in 1953. > [@](#): > > President Trump’s job approval, **the lowest of any commander in chief since Gallup began tracking the initial months of a president’s term in 1953** , has declined again — and not just among Democrats. According to Gallup’s most recent weekly survey, Mr. Trump’s support among Republicans, while still high, has dropped eight percentage points from late January. > > Mr. Trump’s record-low approval rating, now at 38 percent, is primarily because of high disapproval among Democrats and independents, and masks the considerable satisfaction Republicans feel with his presidency so far. > > New presidents have typically enjoyed a “honeymoon” period with independents and members of the opposite party during their first few months. Mr. Trump has had no such holiday. > > “His approval rating among people who identify with the opposite party is by far the lowest we’ve ever seen,” Frank Newport, editor in chief of Gallup, said. > … WTG, Mr. President! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2017, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3010 "2017-04-05T00:53:52Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > “Diplomatic conflict” - strongly worded condemnations of each other, cooling of relations, propaganda wars, UN resolutions. > > “Something” that Obama could have done is military assault on Assad forces that were involved in chemical attacks or declaring a no-fly zone over Syria. Stuff that Trump physically cannot do today, due to heavy Russian military presence in Syria. No thanks to getting my friends killed for nothing, and making the situation worse. Foreign troops in the middle east just gives everyone the same target. It would have made things worse, not better. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2017, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3011 "2017-04-05T01:04:40Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > “Diplomatic conflict” - strongly worded condemnations of each other, cooling of relations, propaganda wars, UN resolutions. > > “Something” that Obama could have done is military assault on Assad forces that were involved in chemical attacks or declaring a no-fly zone over Syria. **Stuff that Trump physically cannot do today, due to heavy Russian military presence in Syria.** You’ll say anything to excuse Trump’s inaction, won’t you? Why can’t Trump ask Putin for permission? ---
**Author:** ![mistymage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mistymage/32/459_2.png) [@mistymage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mistymage)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2017, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3012 "2017-04-05T02:23:03Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > I am thinking of trying my hand at some animation and thought this might be a good thread to ask for a suggestions. It would be along the lines of > _Bannon Bannon Bannon Bannon > Bannon Bannon Bannon Bannon > Mushroom Mushroom_ > and so forth. I know what I want to use for the Mushroom, but the third thing, who would have the best impact? Pence Trump They are both low down, grass crawling, forked tongue sneks. But I think Pence is the scarier of the two. Trump is just loathsome. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2017, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3013 "2017-04-05T08:10:40Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > “Something” that Obama could have done is military assault on Assad forces that were involved in chemical attacks or declaring a no-fly zone over Syria. Stuff that Trump physically cannot do today, due to heavy Russian military presence in Syria. Hey Okie, can you guess who made the following tweets? Obama wants to unilaterally put a no-fly zone in Syria to protect Al Qaeda Islamists [The Daily Beast: The Latest in Politics, Media & Entertainment News](http://thebea.st/143tmfM) Syria is NOT our problem. 11:58 AM - 29 May 2013 We should stay the hell out of Syria, the “rebels” are just as bad as the current regime. WHAT WILL WE GET FOR OUR LIVES AND $ BILLIONS?ZERO 5:33 PM - 15 Jun 2013 What will we get for bombing Syria besides more debt and a possible long term conflict? Obama needs Congressional approval. 11:14 AM - 29 Aug 2013 If Obama attacks Syria and innocent civilians are hurt and killed, he and the U.S. will look very bad! 12:26 PM - 30 Aug 2013 How would you treat the Syria situation if president ?" I’d let them all fight with each other-focus on US! 4:09 AM - 1 Sep 2013 If the U.S. attacks Syria and hits the wrong targets, killing civilians, there will be worldwide hell to pay. Stay away and fix broken U.S. 6:55 PM - 2 Sep 2013 “@BigSexyBDAvis: @realDonaldTrump mr trump would attack Syria or no?” No, lets make our country great again as they fight their war! 6:45 PM - 3 Sep 2013 What I am saying is stay out of Syria. 7:00 PM - 3 Sep 2013 The only reason President Obama wants to attack Syria is to save face over his very dumb RED LINE statement. Do NOT attack Syria,fix U.S.A. 4:13 AM - 5 Sep 2013 AGAIN, TO OUR VERY FOOLISH LEADER, DO NOT ATTACK SYRIA - IF YOU DO MANY VERY BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN & FROM THAT FIGHT THE U.S. GETS NOTHING! 6:20 AM - 5 Sep 2013 President Obama, do not attack Syria. There is no upside and tremendous downside. Save your “powder” for another (and more important) day! 6:21 AM - 7 Sep 2013 Don’t attack Syria - an attack that will bring nothing but trouble for the U.S. Focus on making our country strong and great again! 4:59 AM - 9 Sep 2013 Obama must now start focusing on OUR COUNTRY, jobs, healthcare and all of our many problems. Forget Syria and make America great again! 6:19 AM - 11 Sep 2013 We should stop talking, stay out of Syria and other countries that hate us, rebuild our own country and make it strong and great again-USA! 10:29 PM - 12 Sep 2013 ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2017, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3014 "2017-04-05T09:41:59Z")
I seem to recall that Obama asked Congress for permission to strike Assad. When did the Republican-led House vote on it? Oh, that’s right, never. What’s next, Republicans whining that Obama didn’t put Merrick Garland on the Supreme Court? ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2017, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3015 "2017-04-05T12:12:40Z")
> [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > What’s next, Republicans whining that Obama didn’t put Merrick Garland on the Supreme Court? Honestly that wouldn’t surprise me. Also, it was very funny. Thanks for giving me something to laugh to on waking up. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2017, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3016 "2017-04-05T12:38:48Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > Hey Okie, can you guess who made the following tweets? > Obama wants to unilaterally put a no-fly zone in Syria to protect Al Qaeda Islamists [The Daily Beast: The Latest in Politics, Media & Entertainment News](http://thebea.st/143tmfM) Syria is NOT our problem. > 11:58 AM - 29 May 2013 > > We should stay the hell out of Syria, the “rebels” are just as bad as the current regime. WHAT WILL WE GET FOR OUR LIVES AND $ BILLIONS?ZERO > 5:33 PM - 15 Jun 2013 > > What will we get for bombing Syria besides more debt and a possible long term conflict? Obama needs Congressional approval. > 11:14 AM - 29 Aug 2013 > > If Obama attacks Syria and innocent civilians are hurt and killed, he and the U.S. will look very bad! > 12:26 PM - 30 Aug 2013 > > How would you treat the Syria situation if president ?" I’d let them all fight with each other-focus on US! > 4:09 AM - 1 Sep 2013 > > If the U.S. attacks Syria and hits the wrong targets, killing civilians, there will be worldwide hell to pay. Stay away and fix broken U.S. > 6:55 PM - 2 Sep 2013 > > “@BigSexyBDAvis: @realDonaldTrump mr trump would attack Syria or no?” No, lets make our country great again as they fight their war! > 6:45 PM - 3 Sep 2013 > > What I am saying is stay out of Syria. > 7:00 PM - 3 Sep 2013 > > The only reason President Obama wants to attack Syria is to save face over his very dumb RED LINE statement. Do NOT attack Syria,fix U.S.A. > 4:13 AM - 5 Sep 2013 > > AGAIN, TO OUR VERY FOOLISH LEADER, DO NOT ATTACK SYRIA - IF YOU DO MANY VERY BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN & FROM THAT FIGHT THE U.S. GETS NOTHING! > 6:20 AM - 5 Sep 2013 > > President Obama, do not attack Syria. There is no upside and tremendous downside. Save your “powder” for another (and more important) day! > 6:21 AM - 7 Sep 2013 > > Don’t attack Syria - an attack that will bring nothing but trouble for the U.S. Focus on making our country strong and great again! > 4:59 AM - 9 Sep 2013 > > Obama must now start focusing on OUR COUNTRY, jobs, healthcare and all of our many problems. Forget Syria and make America great again! > 6:19 AM - 11 Sep 2013 > > We should stop talking, stay out of Syria and other countries that hate us, rebuild our own country and make it strong and great again-USA! > 10:29 PM - 12 Sep 2013 A slap-down this brutal might count as a felony. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2017, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3017 "2017-04-05T12:45:46Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > Hey Okie, can you guess who made the following tweets? It’s pathetic that you’re trying to excuse Obama’s inaction at the time when he actually could do something about it by Trump’s tweets. Unless you think it was Trump’s tweets that prevented Obama from doing anything? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2017, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3018 "2017-04-05T12:50:57Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > It’s pathetic that you’re trying to excuse Obama’s inaction at the time when he actually could do something about it by Trump’s tweets. Unless you think it was Trump’s tweets that prevented Obama from doing anything? You’re contorting so hard to defend your guy that you’re going to end up with your head tucked up your ass, suffocating to death. Please stay safe: It’s dangerous out there defending an incompetent. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2017, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3019 "2017-04-05T12:54:18Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > It’s pathetic that you’re trying to excuse Obama’s inaction at the time when he actually could do something about it by Trump’s tweets. Unless you think it was Trump’s tweets that prevented Obama from doing anything? Obama actually followed Trump’s advice to not attack Syria (which was, very rarely, actually good advice). And now, with Obama out of power and Trump in power, you’re blaming Obama for doing so? It’s very obvious that you’re contorting and interpreting everything in the most negative possible way for Obama, and most positive for Trump. Obama isn’t the devil and Trump isn’t Jesus. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2017, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3020 "2017-04-05T12:56:56Z")
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