# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1511
**Author:** ![Steve\_McQwark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4da419/32.png) [@Steve\_McQwark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_McQwark)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30205 "2019-01-31T17:33:42Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > Which begs the question, why does he want to punish us? Well, duh, because of the gays. God sent hurricanes, earthquakes, forest fires… we ignored all the signs. So, he had to up the punishment and send us Trump. If we don’t start listening, next time it might be President Alex Jones or President Palin (any of them really). ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30206 "2019-01-31T17:55:38Z")
Trump’s all excited that the Dow has broken 25,000, except: [Trump’s latest tweet about the stock market is actually an incredible self-own](https://www.vox.com/2019/1/31/18205060/trump-dow-jones-tweets-25000) _The president thinks it’s “tremendous news” that the Dow has been flat for more than a year._ > [@](#): > > On Wednesday, President Donald Trump celebrated as the Dow Jones Industrial Average climbed above 25,000, seemingly oblivious to the fact that he celebrated the exact same thing more than a year ago. > > Since the idea of investing is for the value of your investments to increase over time, Trump’s celebratory tweet about the exact same milestone in the stock market amounted to a self-own. > > Trump posted a tweet on Wednesday noting that “Dow just broke 25,000,” and called that development “tremendous news!” > > … > > **Trump really doesn’t have a lot to brag about** > > Though Trump has apparently already forgotten about it, 2018 was in fact the worst year for stocks since 2008 — the year the country sank into the Great Recession. > > As Vox’s Emily Stewart explained last month, some of the factors behind the slide had to do with Trump, and some didn’t: > > The current economic expansion and stock market run (until recently) has been going on for so long — and so much longer than many economists expected — that investors have been wondering for quite some time when that luck would run out. It looks like a combination of global and domestic events are starting to convince Wall Street that time is now. > > Trump’s trade war with China is causing a variety of concerns, ranging from its impact on US farmers to its potential to raise consumer prices to its economic effects in both China and the US. Economic growth has slowed in Europe and is expected to slow in China next year. Drama over Brexit is also causing ripples, as are signals from the US Fed that it will continue to hike interest rates, potentially dampening the stock market and economy. > > As the market sank throughout the wall, Trump stopped bragging about it. Instead, he cited low gas prices as a metric of his success. So, at the end of this year is Trump going to bragging about the low cost of widgets? ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30207 "2019-01-31T17:56:15Z")
> [@mistymage](#): > > Heh, I guessed that 🙂 I love zombie/EMP/survivalist books even though I am a Lib/Dem/Hippy. Any time politics get entered into the stories I just sort of skim pass. Yeah. I go on binges of different types. And I’m pretty much like you. So far, the politics has been minimal. (unfortunately leaning a little pro-Trump I think). Anyway, about half way through the first book, and maybe a chapter on politics. Mostly it’s about the division of the country, and some secret group that is setting up a bunch of terrorist attaches (don’t know their affiliation yet). ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30208 "2019-01-31T18:00:30Z")
> [@Steve\_McQwark](#): > > Well, duh, because of the gays. God sent hurricanes, earthquakes, forest fires… **we ignored all the signs**. So, he had to up the punishment and send us Trump. If we don’t start listening, next time it might be President Alex Jones or President Palin (any of them really). He has lousy aim. Sometimes misses the target by thousands of miles. No wonder we didn’t make the connection. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30209 "2019-01-31T18:12:37Z")
> [@Anny\_Middon](#): > > “M. President, as you know\* the London Bridge was moved to Arizona where it became a tremendous tourist attraction. Wouldn’t it make great economic sense to buy the Great Wall of China and move it to safeguard our southern border?” Nitpick: the bridge over Lake Havasu called London Bridge is an entirely new structure. Only the facing stones were taken from the bridge in London. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_McQwark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4da419/32.png) [@Steve\_McQwark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_McQwark)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30210 "2019-01-31T18:15:46Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > He has lousy aim. Sometimes misses the target by thousands of miles. No wonder we didn’t make the connection. In all honesty, I’m a little confused about the message. If it’s from the god that Pat Robertson doesn’t follow (but claims to), it’s because we don’t hate the gays enough. If it’s from the god that I don’t follow, it’s because we’re dragging our feet on equality. Now that I think about it, maybe Trump was sent by god - both of them “communicate” loudly, destructively, and don’t make any fucking sense. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30211 "2019-01-31T18:27:48Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > On one hand: you would think that any administrator with a shred of dignity and self-respect would not stand for this abuse. They might phrase it the way John Kelly did, and say in their letter of resignation that the President deserves to have counselors that he can trust. > > On the other hand: Coats and Haspel may think that the fewer appointments Trump is allowed to make, the better off the country is. There’s that, and also the idea of a vote of confidence — “no matter what Prurient Leader may say, I believe in you and have your back.” If CFSG were to get a complete toady in (and wouldn’t he just **love** to have Javanka as DNI or heading the CIA), the affected agency/agencies could see the sort of mass exodus that hit the State Department a while back. To the detriment of us all. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30212 "2019-01-31T18:38:30Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Nitpick: the bridge over Lake Havasu called London Bridge is an entirely new structure. Only the facing stones were taken from the bridge in London. Yeah, with an attitude like that, you wouldn’t even last a scaramucci in the White House. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30213 "2019-01-31T19:13:52Z")
Individual is contemplating nominating fellow groper Herman Cain to the Federal Reserve, > **[Trump considering former presidential candidate Herman Cain for the Fed](https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/31/trump-considering-former-presidential-candidate-herman-cain-for-fed-appointment.html)** > > Former presidential candidate and Godfather's Pizza CEO Herman Cain is under consideration for a Federal Reserve appointment. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30214 "2019-01-31T19:25:12Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Individual is contemplating nominating fellow groper Herman Cain to the Federal Reserve, > [https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/31/trump-considering-former-presidential-candidate-herman-cain-for-fed-appointment.html](https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/31/trump-considering-former-presidential-candidate-herman-cain-for-fed-appointment.html) My first thought was that Cain was not qualified. Then I found this: > [@](#): > > Cain had a long corporate career and is also familiar with the Federal Reserve system. From 1992 to 1996, he served as a director of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City, as well as deputy chairman and then chairman. It’s still stupid, because > [@](#): > > nominating Cain raises the prospect of a Senate confirmation hearing focused on the sexual harassment and infidelity accusations that ended his presidential campaign. [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-31/trump-is-said-to-consider-herman-cain-for-federal-reserve-board](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-31/trump-is-said-to-consider-herman-cain-for-federal-reserve-board) But maybe, that is the point. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30215 "2019-01-31T19:42:23Z")
[Just posted](https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1091017929808924672) by Natasha Bertrand (reporter for The Atlantic & MSNBC): > [@](#): > > JUST IN: According to Mueller and DC USA, discovery in the Roger Stone case is “both voluminous and complex,” and “is composed of multiple hard drives containing several terabytes of information”—including bank records & comms taken from iCloud/email accounts, electronic devices. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30216 "2019-01-31T19:50:08Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > Still haven’t seen **The President’s Analyst**. It must be good though, if James Coburn took the role instead of doing a third Derek Flint movie. To continue the hijack, _The President’s Analyst_ is not at all like a Flint movie. The Flint movies were camp Bond sendups, with their ultra-competent superspy hero. _The President’s Analyst_, by contrast, is deeply fucked up, in the manner of a _Delicatessen_ or _Big Lebowski_: properly disorienting and weird, with a strong flavor of the late Sixties, which, if you did not live through that era, might not quite make sense to you. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30217 "2019-01-31T22:03:54Z")
The Dow closed under 25,000 today. I hope President Shit From Shinola doesn’t take the news too hard. A man in that shape needs to take it easy on the ticker, as it were. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30218 "2019-01-31T22:17:55Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > The Dow closed under 25,000 today. I hope President Shit From Shinola doesn’t take the news too hard. A man in that shape needs to take it easy on the ticker, as it were. It’s OK. Trump is only responsible when the Dow goes up. When it goes down, that is someone else’s fault. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30219 "2019-01-31T22:20:59Z")
That’s fine. It’ll give him another chance to crow about it. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30220 "2019-01-31T22:21:50Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > It’s OK. Trump is only responsible when the Dow goes up. When it goes down, that is someone else’s fault. Guess whose fault? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30221 "2019-01-31T22:29:35Z")
To be fair, it was below 22 thousand on christmas eve, so it is quite a bit higher than 5 weeks ago. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30222 "2019-01-31T22:52:11Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Guess whose fault? Man, I wish Hillary would stop messing with the Dow… ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30223 "2019-01-31T23:04:12Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > To be fair, it was below 22 thousand on christmas eve, so it is quite a bit higher than 5 weeks ago. The point of the article I posted in #30190 was that the Dow broke 25000 last January and Trump was bragging about it. The Dow is basically where it was a year ago. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30224 "2019-01-31T23:06:14Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > The point of the article I posted in #30190 was that the Dow broke 25000 last January and Trump was bragging about it. The Dow is basically where it was a year ago. A year ago? Ancient history. After all, the man has the attention span of a goldfish (apologies to goldfish). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1510) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1512)