# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1536
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30705 "2019-02-17T22:53:20Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > I wonder what Individual 1’s definition of the word “collusion” is, and how it applies to Saturday Night Live. “No collusion! No collusion! YOU’RE the collusion!” ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30706 "2019-02-17T22:55:07Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > IANAL lawyer, nor a supporter of Trump, the Wall, or this emergency. But [this article](https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/430335-why-trump-will-win-the-wall-fight) makes enough sense to scare me. The gist seems to be that with National Emergencies Act of 1976 Congress basically ceded a lot of its power to the Executive branch. There is apparently no standard for what is meant by ‘emergency’ other than ‘the President says so’. And apparently he can veto Congress’s resolution saying ‘is not’ - so what can be done? > > Oh, and the author also thinks that the courts will be loathe to save Congress from itself, which is probably also true. There’s probably a rule against cross-posting or self-promotion or whatever; but I launched a thread on GD today precisely on the subject of the Emergencies Act and what we can do about it. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30707 "2019-02-17T22:56:51Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > That bit of dialogue is from my favorite episode of Andy Griffith, [“Man in a Hurry.”](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0512509/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1) A big city businessman is passing through Mayberry on a Sunday, and his car breaks down. He’s has no choice but to sit there all day cooling his heels while Andy and the gang go slowly about the Lord’s Day’s business, which is to say not much of anything. At first the stranger bristles and chafes at the leisurely pace, but by the end of the show he yields to Mayberry’s spell and after Aunt Bee’s Sunday sinner, he sits on Andy’s front porch peeling an apple in one strip while Andy strums his guitar and sings, “Little Old Church in the Vale.” Eventually the stranger dozes off. I adore that episode. Thank you for reminding me of it. > > The whole episode is well worth watching. Especially on a Sunday. 😉 > > Carry on. 🙂 You missed my edit with the link to the “bottle of pop, take a nap” etc (with Don Rickles as the travelling salesman). So when I come over, what are we going to watch on tv? ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30708 "2019-02-17T23:07:30Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > EEK!! > > My face is really red… 😛 Heh. Thanks for the laugh by typo. I’ve seen all of Andy, and I didn’t remember that one. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30709 "2019-02-17T23:26:09Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > IANAL lawyer, nor a supporter of Trump, the Wall, or this emergency. But [this article](https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/430335-why-trump-will-win-the-wall-fight) makes enough sense to scare me. The gist seems to be that with National Emergencies Act of 1976 Congress basically ceded a lot of its power to the Executive branch. There is apparently no standard for what is meant by ‘emergency’ other than ‘the President says so’. **And apparently he can veto Congress’s resolution saying ‘is not’** - so what can be done?.. He can veto Congress’s resolution if the Republicans support him in his fake national emergency/power-grab/overreach that they’d condemn if a Democrat did it; to be veto proof, a 2/3 vote is required. Looked at another way: If enough Republicans set aside their servile sycophancy for one vote, Trump would be helpless. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30710 "2019-02-18T00:22:40Z")
> [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > You missed my edit with the link to the “bottle of pop, take a nap” etc (with Don Rickles as the travelling salesman). So when I come over, what are we going to watch on tv? We’ll watch Andy until we make ourselves sick from eating cashew fudge. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30711 "2019-02-18T00:30:08Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > He can veto Congress’s resolution if the Republicans support him in his fake national emergency/power-grab/overreach that they’d condemn if a Democrat did it; to be veto proof, a 2/3 vote is required. > > Looked at another way: If enough Republicans set aside their servile sycophancy for one vote, Trump would be helpless. I’m not counting on those traitor bastards. They already made their choice. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30712 "2019-02-18T00:38:22Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > He can veto Congress’s resolution if the Republicans support him in his fake national emergency/power-grab/overreach that they’d condemn if a Democrat did it; to be veto proof, a 2/3 vote is required. > > Looked at another way: If enough Republicans set aside their servile sycophancy for one vote, Trump would be helpless. So you’re saying Trump is going to win? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30713 "2019-02-18T00:52:29Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > He can veto Congress’s resolution if the Republicans support him in his fake national emergency/power-grab/overreach that they’d condemn if a Democrat did it; to be veto proof, a 2/3 vote is required. > > Looked at another way: If enough Republicans set aside their servile sycophancy for one vote, Trump would be helpless. Really large speed bump: Yertle. They cannot even vote on it in the Senate unless he lets them. He kind of has veto power right in his wattle. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30714 "2019-02-18T01:01:00Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Really large speed bump: Yertle. They cannot even vote on it in the Senate unless he lets them. He kind of has veto power right in his wattle. Apparently not in this case; this resolution has special powers that require a vote. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30715 "2019-02-18T01:54:53Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > So you’re saying Trump is going to win? How many times have Collins et al. been “concerned” about something Trump did? And how many times did they back him anyway? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30716 "2019-02-18T02:44:32Z")
Could this get ANY weirder?? (Don’t answer that…) **[Trump Circulates Limbaugh Quote Calling for Mueller Investigators to ‘Be in Jail’](https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-circulates-limbaugh-quote-calling-for-mueller-investigators-to-be-in-jail)** > [@](#): > > President Trump took to Twitter on Sunday to apparently circulate a call for the jailing of those who investigate him, including Special Counsel Robert Mueller. “‘These guys, the investigators, ought to be in jail. What they have done, working with the Obama intelligence agencies, is simply unprecedented,’” Trump wrote, quoting conservative pundit Rush Limbaugh. “‘This is one of the greatest political hoaxes ever perpetrated on the people of this Country, and Mueller is a coverup.’” He later added, in his own words, that “The Mueller investigation is totally conflicted, illegal and rigged! Should never have been allowed to begin, except for the Collusion and many crimes committed by the Democrats. Witch Hunt!” > > The president’s tweets came hours after House Intelligence chairman Adam Schiff (D-CA) said Sunday that there’s “evidence in plain sight” that Trump colluded with Russia. “All of this is evidence of collusion, and you either have to look the other way to say it isn’t or you have to have a different word for it, because it is a corrupt dealing with a foreign adversary during a campaign,” Schiff told CNN’s Dana Bash. > … _“Obama intelligence agencies”_?? Huh?? Leave it to that mental giant Limbaugh to pull everything out and make a mish-mash of it: _"hoaxes …coverup …conflicted, illegal and rigged …Collusion_ …Witch Hunt!"\* \*\* Capitalized, which means it’s double-secret, extra bad. \* ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Duality](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.duality/32/4098_2.png) [@Mr.Duality](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Duality)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30717 "2019-02-18T14:10:14Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Really large speed bump: Yertle. They cannot even vote on it in the Senate unless he lets them. He kind of has veto power right in his wattle. Please do not conflate an honorable and empathetic turtle with Mitch McConnel. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30718 "2019-02-18T14:38:19Z")
> [@Mr.Duality](#): > > Please do not conflate an honorable and empathetic turtle with Mitch McConnel. Yertle before his downfall. ---
**Author:** ![Sicks\_Ate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Sicks\_Ate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sicks_Ate)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30719 "2019-02-18T14:43:44Z")
> [@Mr.Duality](#): > > Please do not conflate an honorable and empathetic turtle with Mitch McConnel. “He’ll duck… and suck it!” ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30720 "2019-02-18T14:58:53Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Yertle before his downfall. It’s Yertle’s all-the-way downfall. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30721 "2019-02-18T15:08:32Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Yertle before his downfall. Temba, at rest. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30722 "2019-02-18T15:26:27Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > He has literally said that he wants “retribution” against the media. For making fun of him. > > And the MAGA-capped Numpties will go right along with it. It’s only a matter of time before one of these mouth-breathers commits an act of violence. > [@MAGA Farm](#): > > No question now what has happened to the face of Trump. The MAGAts outside looked from Trump to Kim, and from Kim to Trump, and from Trump to Kim again: but (except for the orange make-up) already it was impossible to say which was which. > [@ThelmaLou](#): > > EEK!! > > My face is really red… 😛 An older woman living with her ‘nephew’ _and_ his prepubescent son. Who knows what went on behind closed doors? And just _how_ did Mrs. Taylor die anyway, hmmm? > [@Folacin](#): > > The gist seems to be that with National Emergencies Act of 1976 Congress basically ceded a lot of its power to the Executive branch. There is apparently no standard for what is meant by ‘emergency’ other than ‘the President says so’. And apparently he can veto Congress’s resolution saying ‘is not’ - so what can be done? This was pointed out at the time, but not enough of Congress cared. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30723 "2019-02-18T16:07:57Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > This was pointed out at the time, but not enough of Congress cared. It’s not a great excuse, but there was an assumption of norms of governance back then - which Trump and the GOP in general have blown through without looking back. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30724 "2019-02-18T16:26:16Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > An older woman living with her ‘nephew’ _and_ his prepubescent son. Who knows what went on behind closed doors? And just _how_ did Mrs. Taylor die anyway, hmmm?This was pointed out at the time, but not enough of Congress cared. Huh? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1535) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1537)