# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1542
**Author:** ![HelenGawn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@HelenGawn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelenGawn)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2019, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30825 "2019-02-26T06:19:17Z")
So the Quayle standard is a high bar now? Sheesh. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2019, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30826 "2019-02-26T06:47:44Z")
He said “say”, not “spell” 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2019, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30827 "2019-02-26T06:56:02Z")
Dude’s not even a climate change _denier_: > [@](#): > > “Warming and increased CO2 will be good for mankind.” May 2010 Maybe he’s related to the witch from Hansel and Gretel. She didn’t want to kill them, just tan them a little! ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2019, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30828 "2019-02-26T07:17:55Z")
Yeah and he didn’t say “count to” either, memes be-damned. Looks like Willie could [use a good meal.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf3I_7-NBpo) ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2019, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30829 "2019-02-26T14:17:41Z")
This completely boggled my mind this morning. Not the content, as that’s old news. **But the SOURCE-- it’s on FOX News.** :eek: [ **Trump, not the border, is our national emergency** Mary Anne Marsh - FOX News - Monday, February 25, 2019](https://a.msn.com/r/2/BBU4pJl?m=en-us&referrerID=InAppShare) > [@](#): > > Do you want to confer extraordinary powers upon Donald Trump at a time when he faces extraordinary threats to his ability to stay in the White House? > > That is the question every Republican Senator must ask as the vote to allow Trump to declare a National Emergency regarding the southern border looms large this week. > > The answer is no. > > First, there is no National Emergency. In fact, the National Emergency is a lie, based on a lie, based on a lie. > > Mexico is paying for the wall. That’s a lie. > > Only a wall will protect the southern border. That’s a lie. > > There’s a National Emergency. That’s a lie. > > For that reason alone every Republican Senator should vote no. > > But, wait, there’s more…and it’s more alarming. > > The moment a National Emergency is declared, Donald Trump will be able to act more like a dictator than the leader of the greatest democracy on earth. Trump will have access to 136 provisions that give him control over our country, our lives, our military, with little to stop him including Congress, with the stroke of a pen. It is not hard to imagine what Trump would do with that power based on his record to date, and how much worse it could be, if he is faced with the Mueller Report, indictments or impeachment that threaten his ability to stay in the White House. > … > > And if Republican senators aren’t persuaded by the threat to our country, or their own careers by allowing Trump to declare a National Emergency, then why are they running for re-election? How can they run for re-election for a job they won’t do? They’re not holding Trump accountable. They’re not acting like a co-equal branch of government. They’re giving up their authority to appropriate funds just as they have with military deployments by ducking the Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF). And they’re certainly not doing what’s best for their state or our country, which is their job. They’re only trying to avoid a primary. Not exactly a profile in courage let alone conduct worthy of a United States senator. > … It goes on in a vein that we’re all familiar with, having said the same thing many times. And BTW, God bless her, because the Trumpniks aren’t going to read it anywhere else. Not that they’ll believe her. But FOX NEWS? My question is, how long after writing this was she fired? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2019, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30830 "2019-02-26T14:56:03Z")
When Michael Cohen does his thing in the House tomorrow, well, it should be interesting: [Cohen to accuse Trump of criminal conduct in office.](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/431542-cohen-to-accuse-trump-of-criminal-conduct-in-office-report) > [@](#): > > The Wall Street Journal reported that Cohen will provide members of the House Committee on Oversight and Reform with evidence that Trump was involved in criminal actions related to a hush money payment to adult-film star Stormy Daniels, who alleged she had an affair with the president… > > The New York Times separately reported that Cohen will describe in “granular detail” the plan to pay Daniels, and that he would provide documentation to supplement his claims… > > The Journal reported that Cohen will additionally provide some of Trump’s financial statements and testify that the president inflated or deflated his personal worth for business purposes, and repeat his claim that the president made racist remarks… > > Cohen will speak privately on Tuesday with the Senate Intelligence Committee ahead of his public testimony on Wednesday. Cohen’s public testimony will coincide with the president’s first day of meetings in Vietnam with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2019, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30831 "2019-02-26T15:20:55Z")
I saw that too, **Thelma**. I was actually educated by something on Fox for once. I did not realize that declaring an emergency at the border gives the president the power to detain anyone. Anyone. :eek: And deploy troops anywhere. Anywhere. :eek::eek: It is rather horrifying actually. If Senate Republicans don’t veto this, I may just assume that the civil war is on and that they want it. All because they want no taxes on the wealthy and for those mean educated types to quit treating carbon just like Jews were under the Nazis- remember how Hitler’s men would dig up Jews who had been in the ground for hundreds of millions of years and fling them into the atmosphere? :smack: Yeah, they want to throw away reason, throw away all democratic protections and turn this place into an oligarchy all right. Thanks, Fox and Limbaugh et al, for miseducating a whole generation of rednecks and dumb shits to get us to this point! :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2019, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30832 "2019-02-26T15:45:33Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > This completely boggled my mind this morning. Not the content, as that’s old news. **But the SOURCE-- it’s on FOX News.** :eek: > [ **Trump, not the border, is our national emergency** > Mary Anne Marsh - FOX News - Monday, February 25, 2019](https://a.msn.com/r/2/BBU4pJl?m=en-us&referrerID=InAppShare) Ms. Marsh, as the byline below the article states, is a \*\*Democratic \*\*political analyst for FOX News. She also contributes to The Boston Globe, The New York Times, The Washington Post, Politico, AP, The Times of London and USA Today. > **[Mary Anne Marsh | Dewey Square Group](https://www.deweysquare.com/team/mary-anne-marsh/)** > > Boston   A principal at Dewey Square Group in Boston, Mary Anne Marsh is a nationally recognized political analyst who provides... My guess is that she’s written her last column for FOX. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2019, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30833 "2019-02-26T15:51:29Z")
Fox publishes stuff like that from time to time, gets the base all riled up. It’s basically clickbait. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2019, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30834 "2019-02-26T15:56:02Z")
In other news, [White House press corps booted from Kim Jong Un’s hotel](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/02/26/reporters-booted-kim-jong-uns-hotel-before-summit-trump/2988263002/) > [@](#): > > One hotel is not big enough for both the White House press corps and Kim Jong Un. > > Objections by Kim and his security personnel appear to have forced organizers to move the White House press filing center from the hotel where the North Korean leader is staying. Even John Roberts of FOX is wondering WTF is going on. [In nearly 10 years covering the @WhiteHouse, having been on Presidential trips to more than 100 countries, I have never seen the White House Press Corps kicked out of our unilateral press/broadcast center by request of a foreign leader.](https://twitter.com/johnrobertsFox/status/1100414844463763457) ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2019, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30835 "2019-02-26T15:56:07Z")
Marsh has written lots of columns for Fox News, and for the last two years they have largely been heavily critical of the POTUS. That’s not particularly unusual. Publishing anti-GOP editorials on its website allows FN to _claim_ that it’s “fair and balanced.” It’s like MSNBC hiring Pat Buchanan (not that I think Fox and MSNBC are equivalent). When Marsh gets a primetime talking head show, _that_ will be news. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2019, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30836 "2019-02-26T19:51:28Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > This completely boggled my mind this morning. Not the content, as that’s old news. **But the SOURCE-- it’s on FOX News.** :eek: > [ **Trump, not the border, is our national emergency** > Mary Anne Marsh - FOX News - Monday, February 25, 2019](https://a.msn.com/r/2/BBU4pJl?m=en-us&referrerID=InAppShare) > It goes on in a vein that we’re all familiar with, having said the same thing many times. And BTW, God bless her, because the Trumpniks aren’t going to read it anywhere else. Not that they’ll believe her. > > But FOX NEWS? > > My question is, how long after writing this was she fired? Fox News’s website describes Mary Anne Marsh as a Democrat. > **[undefined](https://www.foxnews.com/person/m/mary-anne-marsh)** > > Mary Anne Marsh is a Democratic political analyst and a principal at Dewey Square Group in Boston where she provides strategic counsel for Fortune 100 companies, non-profits and political campaigns. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2019, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30837 "2019-02-26T20:02:56Z")
Ivanka, who was handed everything she has, says people don’t want things given to them. [https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/ivanka-trump-ocasio-cortez-guaranteed-minimum-fox-news-interview](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/ivanka-trump-ocasio-cortez-guaranteed-minimum-fox-news-interview) ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2019, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30838 "2019-02-26T20:24:01Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Fox News’s website describes Mary Anne Marsh as a Democrat. > [Mary Anne Marsh](https://www.foxnews.com/person/m/mary-anne-marsh) They probably let her office in a hermetically sealed cubicle/bubble with her own coffee pot and separate entrance (and bathroom). Don’t want her contaminating the place. After reading the replies, I get that she’s the token/figurehead Democrat, but I wonder if they actually expected her to write any meaty, substantial criticism of Der Trumpster? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2019, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30839 "2019-02-26T20:49:47Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > …After reading the replies, I get that she’s the token/figurehead Democrat, but I wonder if they actually expected her to write any meaty, substantial criticism of Der Trumpster? I wonder if Fox is running a lifeboat drill. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2019, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30840 "2019-02-26T22:12:44Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Marsh has written lots of columns for Fox News, and for the last two years they have largely been heavily critical of the POTUS. That’s not particularly unusual. Publishing anti-GOP editorials on its website allows FN to _claim_ that it’s “fair and balanced.” It’s like MSNBC hiring Pat Buchanan (not that I think Fox and MSNBC are equivalent). When Marsh gets a primetime talking head show, _that_ will be news. MSNBC — Joe Scarborough used to be a a Republican congressman. Nicolle Wallace held a senoir position in the GWB Administration and worked on Jong McCain’s presidental campaign. Fox- Shepard Smith is known for pushing back against all the right wing talking points, sometimes with the help of Judge Napolitano. And these are all people with regular programs, not just contributors. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2019, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30841 "2019-02-26T22:20:47Z")
Congressman Matt Gaetz may have just committed a federal felony by making threats to Michael Cohen the day before his Congressional testimony. [A Republican Congressman Just Threatened Michael Cohen on Twitter. Did He Break the Law? – Mother Jones](https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/02/matt-gaetz-just-threatened-michael-cohen-on-twitter-witness-tampering/)? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2019, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30842 "2019-02-26T22:30:07Z")
Hey Republicans, take a deep breath, ok? What the fuck are you afraid of? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2019, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30843 "2019-02-26T23:44:04Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Hey Republicans, take a deep breath, ok? What the fuck are you afraid of? 😃 At a guess, having it revealed that they have been financed by Russian money during the last election… ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2019, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30844 "2019-02-26T23:46:23Z")
[House passes resolution to nullify Trump’s national emergency declaration](https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/house-sponsor-of-resolution-to-nix-emergency-declaration-acknowledges-uphill-battle-on-overriding-expected-trump-veto/2019/02/26/22104532-39d2-11e9-aaae-69364b2ed137_story.html?utm_term=.60aa9ca87362). Not a big surprise - now it goes to the Senate. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1541) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1543)