# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1546
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30905 "2019-02-28T19:55:42Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Also the tactic of just walking away from a bad deal is very different in national government than it is in the real estate business. If two sides can’t come to an agreement and a building doesn’t get built, that is just the way things go. You walk away, forget about it and move on to the next deal. But if two sides can’t come to an agreement and the government shuts down you can’t just walk away. There are some government issues that Trump does plan to walk away from, lucky us/US: [Trump is reportedly not worried about a massive US debt crisis as he’ll be out of office by then](https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-debt-crisis-fine-wont-be-here-report-2018-12) > [@](#): > > President Donald Trump is said to not be worried about setting the US up for a massive debt crisis because he doesn’t think it’ll erupt until after he leaves office. > > Sources close to the presidency told The Daily Beast that Trump had repeatedly shrugged off any concerns about the rising national debt because it was projected to come to a head only after he would finish a second term. > > During a 2017 briefing with senior officials, Trump responded to a presentation of charts and graphics by saying, “Yeah, but I won’t be here,” according to a source The Daily Beast said witnessed the comment. So, the US gets stuck with the bill (heh!) for Trump’s self-interested tax cut. ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30906 "2019-02-28T21:03:58Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > So, the US gets stuck with the bill (heh!) for Trump’s self-interested tax cut. That’s the standard Conservative strategy: cut taxes, let the debt & deficit go up, then use that as an excuse to cut government spending. ---
**Author:** ![catflea12](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f6c823/32.png) [@catflea12](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catflea12)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30907 "2019-02-28T21:15:07Z")
Personally, I was hoping Thump the wonder president would be put in the Hanoi Hilton for at least 5 or 6 years, or however long POWs were held in that prison. ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30908 "2019-02-28T21:20:20Z")
> [@scr4](#): > > That’s the standard Conservative strategy: cut taxes, let the debt & deficit go up, then use that as an excuse to cut government spending. And time it so the shit hits the fan on the Democrats’ watch, so you can blame them. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30909 "2019-02-28T21:22:33Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > [Trump is reportedly not worried about a massive US debt crisis as he’ll be out of office by then](https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-debt-crisis-fine-wont-be-here-report-2018-12) With any luck, _ **long** _ before then he’ll be joining his pal Michael Cohen at the Federal Correctional Institution, Otisville. I wonder which one would shiv the other first. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30910 "2019-02-28T21:32:08Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > (Though no doubt he’ll actually say he was stabbed in the back by the Fake News Witch Hunt Russia Hoax…) [Called it!](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-slams-cohen-hearing-shameful-fake/story?id=61383313) > [@](#): > > Reacting to his former personal attorney Michael Cohen’s appearance before the House Oversight Committee, President Donald Trump on Thursday slammed his testimony as “shameful,” and said it was a “fake hearing” and a “terrible thing” to do while he was in Vietnam for a second summit with North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un. > > “I tried to watch as much as I could but I wasn’t able to watch too much because I was busy but having a fake hearing like that and having it in the middle of this very important summit is really a terrible thing, they could have made it two days later or next week and it would have been better and they would have had more time,” Trump said in response to a question from ABC Chief White House Correspondent Jonathan Karl… ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30911 "2019-02-28T23:08:12Z")
Wolf Blitzer is reporting the Trump personally overruled the professional recommendations that Jared Kushner not be given a top-secret clearance so Kushner could have one. Even John Kelly wrote a memo at the time stating he was ordered to do this and McGahn opposed it, too. Of course, Trump stated in a previous interview that he didn’t involve himself in Kushner’s clearance. Haven’t seen the link on the website yet. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2019, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30912 "2019-02-28T23:16:40Z")
Previous reports claimed it was a supervisor at the White House that had approved them. Ivanka says Kushner and her were given “no special treatment”: [Ivanka Trump: Father ‘Had No Involvement’ In Security Clearances For Her, Kushner](https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ivanka-trump-kushner-security-clearances_us_5c5fe99de4b0f9e1b17dff28) ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30913 "2019-03-01T01:17:37Z")
> [@aurora\_maire](#): > > So Trump says Kim didn’t know about Otto Warmbier’s torture. Like MBS didn’t know about KKhashoggi’s murder. And Putin didn’t know about election interference. Wow, these strongmen sure don’t seem to be able to control their underlings who keep going rogue. You would think Donald would consider that kind of person a loser. Stolen from Twitter - Putin: I had nothing to do with election interference Trump: Sounds good to me MBS: I had nothing to do with Jamal Khashoggi’s murder Trump: Sounds good to me Kim: I had nothing to do with Otto Warmbier’s torture Trump: Sounds good to me Any woman: I was sexually assaulted Trump: LOL, sure you were, uggo ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30914 "2019-03-01T02:04:53Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > With any luck, _ **long** _ before then he’ll be joining his pal Michael Cohen at the Federal Correctional Institution, Otisville. I wonder which one would shiv the other first. Like Trump ever does his own dirty work. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30915 "2019-03-01T02:22:24Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > Previous reports claimed it was a supervisor at the White House that had approved them. Ivanka says Kushner and her were given “no special treatment”: > > [Ivanka Trump: Father ‘Had No Involvement’ In Security Clearances For Her, Kushner](https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ivanka-trump-kushner-security-clearances_us_5c5fe99de4b0f9e1b17dff28) Chip off the ol’ block, for sure. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30916 "2019-03-01T03:32:43Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Chip off the ol’ block, for sure. :rolleyes: Shouldn’t that be “chippy”? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30917 "2019-03-01T06:51:23Z")
For those too depressed to follow the news [this 9-minute mini-documentary](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLYiHEcbq0M) may be a good way to catch up on the last few days of Trump-mania. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30918 "2019-03-01T07:02:00Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Stolen from Twitter - > > Putin: I had nothing to do with election interference > > Trump: Sounds good to me > > MBS: I had nothing to do with Jamal Khashoggi’s murder > > Trump: Sounds good to me > > Kim: I had nothing to do with Otto Warmbier’s torture > > Trump: Sounds good to me > > Any woman: I was sexually assaulted > > Trump: LOL, sure you were, uggo Repurposed in a FB thread. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 10:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30919 "2019-03-01T10:43:13Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > And time it so the shit hits the fan on the Democrats’ watch, so you can blame them. As indeed they did to Obama. Even on this messageboard recently, right-wing posters are still talking about how the deficit “spiked” under Obama while handwaving away the reasons for the spike: the massive recession, the two wars, and the enormous tax cuts he inherited. And when it’s pointed out that the deficit fell dramatically under Obama, we’re told “Nothing to do with him - that would have happened anyway”) ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30920 "2019-03-01T14:24:04Z")
Will Donald get a Purple Heart after being shot down in Vietnam? ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30921 "2019-03-01T14:45:33Z")
Nice. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30922 "2019-03-01T15:13:55Z")
Nope - the Nobel. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30923 "2019-03-01T15:15:30Z")
The Nobel Fail Prize. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2019, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30924 "2019-03-01T16:12:42Z")
The best he can hope for is a Nobel Participation Prize. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1545) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1547)