# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1549
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30965 "2019-03-05T03:47:26Z")
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**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30966 "2019-03-05T03:49:38Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#): > > This sounds to me like ( **ThelmaLou**? Imma need you to sit down for this part) the Democrats have some advance notice (or can just read the tea leaves) that Mueller’s report is going to say that there is no provable evidence of Trump, himself, colluding with Russia. > > So they’re going to Plan B to try to hang Individual 1 on financial crimes and general skulduggery. > > Or at least taint the hell out of him for 2020 with the non-MAGAs. It’s just as likely, or more so, that Congressional Democrats are leaving the collusion investigation to the fellow who’s already doing so, and concentrating on all the other slimy stuff Trump is doing/has done. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30967 "2019-03-05T04:05:22Z")
The House vote got 13 Republicans to support the resolution, for a total of 245 in favor. To override the veto, they need 46 more votes (out of 189 no’s). Sounds a tall order. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30968 "2019-03-05T04:41:47Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Yeah, you never know when those Deep State White House chefs will substitute basil for tarragon in the _sauce Bearnaise_ for the Chateaubriand. …or not have enough discernible lemon in its Hollandaise. > [@eschereal](#): > > Has a Nobel ever been rescinded? Seems like not a doable thing. Unless the US conquers Sweden and takes control of its institutions. > [@Locrian](#): > > [In a phone interview on Wednesday](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/28/world/europe/nobel-peace-prize-trump-fake-nomination.html)… From link: > [@](#): > > One laureate, Le Duc Tho of North Vietnam, in 1973, declined the prize. No elaboration, so upon looking into it a bit more, he was jointly nominated with Kissinger for negotiating the Vietnam peace accord.[They both declined](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%AA_%C4%90%E1%BB%A9c_Th%E1%BB%8D#Nobel_Peace_Prize) because they felt peace had not yet been established. In '64 Jean Paul Sartre,[also declined.](https://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/jan/05/sartre-nobel-prize-literature-letter-swedish-academy) > [@](#): > > the author of Huis Clos and La Nausée declined the award, later explaining his belief that “a writer who adopts political, social, or literary positions must act only with the means that are his own – that is, the written word”, and that “all the honours he may receive expose his readers to a pressure I do not consider desirable”. Boris Pasternak initially accepted the prize in '58, but under pressure from[Russian authorities,](https://daily.jstor.org/why-boris-pasternak-rejected-his-nobel-prize/) he had to decline it, thanks to those oh-so-nasty ungainly dissident views in _Doctor Zhivago_. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30969 "2019-03-05T14:46:50Z")
> [@galen\_ubal](#): > > It’s just as likely, or more so, that Congressional Democrats are leaving the collusion investigation to the fellow who’s already doing so, and concentrating on all the other slimy stuff Trump is doing/has done. I agree. I think the House hearings have been pencilled in since November, in parallel with but not depending on Mueller. My guess is that the Democrat strategy is to hold hearings and wait for Mueller. If his findings produce a tidal wave of public support for impeachment … fine. If not, Trump will be so damaged that he will be completely impotent (snerk!) for the next 2 years and he, and anyone who’s ever supported him, will be unelectable in 2020. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30970 "2019-03-05T15:14:30Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > McConnel’s terminology is odd to me. I think he is saying “The Veto will not be overridden in the house.” It takes a 2/3rds vote to do so and the Democrats don’t have enough votes for that. > [@eschereal](#): > > The House vote got 13 Republicans to support the resolution, for a total of 245 in favor. To override the veto, they need 46 more votes (out of 189 no’s). Sounds a tall order. > [@eschereal](#): > > The House vote got 13 Republicans to support the resolution, for a total of 245 in favor. To override the veto, they need 46 more votes (out of 189 no’s). Sounds a tall order. :smack: THAT’S the part that _I for- **GOT** _ [Steve Martin voice…again] The 2/3 needed to override. Damn! This is why I need you guys. > [@Zakalwe](#): > > This sounds to me like ( **ThelmaLou**? Imma need you to sit down for this part) the Democrats have some advance notice (or can just read the tea leaves) that Mueller’s report is going to say that there is no provable evidence of Trump, himself, colluding with Russia. Sigh. Yeah, I can see that. Teflon Don slips through. > [@](#): > > So they’re going to Plan B to try to hang Individual 1 on financial crimes and general skulduggery. I’ll learn to knit and start knitting the rope myself. > [@](#): > > Or at least taint the hell out of him for 2020 with the non-MAGAs. One wonders if anything would taint him in their eyes. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30971 "2019-03-05T15:56:44Z")
Honestly? I think macrame would be better. Yarn stretches so much, and while it might be funny to watch him bungeeing beneath the scaffold for a while, there’s always the risk that it’ll stretch so much his feet reach the ground. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30972 "2019-03-05T16:01:19Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Honestly? I think macrame would be better. Yarn stretches so much, and while it might be funny to watch him bungeeing beneath the scaffold for a while, there’s always the risk that it’ll stretch so much his feet reach the ground. It wouldn’t matter if **ThelmaLou** went full Madame Lafarge and we simply guillotined him. Of course, then there might be that embarrassing moment when they lift the head up by the hair and it unravels, so that the head hits the ground while still attached. “BEHOLD … THE HEAD … OF THE TRUMPSTER!” “OOPS!” ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30973 "2019-03-05T16:06:19Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > One wonders if anything would taint him in their eyes. They voted for a raging narcissistic crook. A man incapable of telling the truth and a moron to boot. I think I know the answer to your question. There is no way to reach them. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30974 "2019-03-05T16:18:04Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > McConnel’s terminology is odd to me. I think he is saying “The Veto will not be overridden in the house.” Basically, he’s saying that, phrasing it in the most Trump-fluffing way he can think of. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30975 "2019-03-05T17:50:38Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > McConnel’s terminology is odd to me. I think he is saying “The Veto will not be overridden in the house.” Besides that being a prediction with inadequate grounding in fact, he’s also implying “At least I hope so, so I don’t have to deal with it in the Senate, because I’m not sure I can.” Pelosi’s answer to that, if she offered one, would be “Watch me.” ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30976 "2019-03-05T18:27:37Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Besides that being a prediction with inadequate grounding in fact, he’s also implying “At least I hope so, so I don’t have to deal with it in the Senate, because I’m not sure I can.” > > Pelosi’s answer to that, if she offered one, would be “Watch me.” Pelosi will hold the vote, but it seems highly unlikely (barring some new development) that she’ll get more Republican’s on board. She’ll be lucky to keep the ones that voted for the original resolution. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30977 "2019-03-05T18:54:29Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > Pelosi will hold the vote, but it seems highly unlikely (barring some new development) that she’ll get more Republican’s on board. She’ll be lucky to keep the ones that voted for the original resolution. Yeah, too many go-along votes in the House. I don’t expect any of them to find the backbone necessary to defy their party and their president to actually, you know, execute their actual duty. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30978 "2019-03-05T19:09:45Z")
Sarah the Huckster: Democrats are trying to “distract from their radical agenda,” which she claims included “making America a socialist country, killing babies after they’re born, and pushing a ‘green new deal’ that would destroy jobs and bankrupt America.” > **[Sanders: Democrats Aim to Distract From 'Baby Killing'](https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-investigation-sarah-sanders-democrats-abortion-radical-socialist-1351784)** > > White House press secretary Sarah Sanders called the Democrats' investigations into the president and his inner circle "disgraceful and abusive" and a tactic to distract from their "radical agenda." ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30979 "2019-03-05T20:08:17Z")
This “Killing newborn babies” thing is getting a hell of a lot of traction, and it is easily the biggest threat to American democracy since the Civil War. It’s one thing to lie and attack the press. That was bad enough. Just flat-out accusing common political opponents of murdering babies is bringing it to a next level, and Trumpists absolutely believe it. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30980 "2019-03-05T20:13:58Z")
They probably do believe it. Check it out, National Review raves about Trump’s CPAC speech! [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/the-entertainer-in-chief/ar-BBUnap7](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/the-entertainer-in-chief/ar-BBUnap7) ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30981 "2019-03-05T20:18:27Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > They probably do believe it. Check it out, National Review raves about Trump’s CPAC speech! > [MSN](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/the-entertainer-in-chief/ar-BBUnap7) Since when does National Review give Trump positive coverage? I thought they hated him. Or is this just Kyle Smith’s opinion? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30982 "2019-03-05T20:35:23Z")
The House Intelligence Committee has hired Daniel Goldman as senior adviser and director of investigations. Goldman was second-in-command at SDNY’s organized crime unit, has prosecuted the Russian mob and has secured convictions for racketeering, murder and money laundering, including against the Genovese crime family. [House Intel hires former Russian mob prosecutor to lead Trump probes - POLITICO](https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/05/house-intelligence-daniel-goldman-1204140)? ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2019, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30983 "2019-03-05T20:36:25Z")
I have been keeping an eye on NR op eds. They seem to have pretty much fallen in line. Lindsay Graham hated him, too. Flip! Not hearing the criticism out of Romney these days either. I wonder how they do it? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2019, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/30984 "2019-03-06T00:14:56Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > Since when does National Review give Trump positive coverage? I thought they hated him. > > Or is this just Kyle Smith’s opinion? He called it fun. Entertainment. He called the old-glory-grope “cheerfully photogenic” :rolleyes: and complained that, although the speech was meh, the media were intent upon attacking it with the “fact check monkeys”. So, not a exactly glowing review, but a “_fuck you, I liked it_”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1548) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1550)