# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1563
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31245 "2019-03-15T23:50:26Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > I like it. By the way, have you noticed how often the magats call the Democrats and Liberals “communist” "or “socialist”. Yet red is the color of the flag of communism! The first color map of election night [used Union Blue for](https://www.npr.org/2014/11/13/363762677/the-color-of-politics-how-did-red-and-blue-states-come-to-be) Ford and commie Red for Carter. But it was not standardized, and it seems networks chose their colors at will, until 19 years ago, when everyone settled on Red for R and Blue for D. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2019, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31246 "2019-03-16T00:20:54Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > To be fair, I think he is suffering from dementia. But that doesn’t excuse him for being an immoral sociopath. He needs to rot in prison with the legal minimum amount of healthcare. Nor does it excuse his enablers. They need to rot in prison for decades. A strange bag of goods is Trump. Probably suffering from dementia, and a moron (the term has fell out of use clinically) but refers to someone with a mental age in adulthood of between 8 and 12. Throw in narcissism and you get a stupid 6th grade bully that thinks very highly of himself. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2019, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31247 "2019-03-16T00:33:22Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > The first color map of election night [used Union Blue for](https://www.npr.org/2014/11/13/363762677/the-color-of-politics-how-did-red-and-blue-states-come-to-be) Ford and commie Red for Carter. But it was not standardized, and it seems networks chose their colors at will, until 19 years ago, when everyone settled on Red for R and Blue for D. Not “at will.” They alternated colors for a bit before settling on the current scheme. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2019, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31248 "2019-03-16T01:00:31Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > A strange bag of goods is Trump. Probably suffering from dementia, and a moron (the term has fell out of use clinically) but refers to someone with a mental age in adulthood of between 8 and 12. > > Throw in narcissism and you get a stupid 6th grade bully that thinks very highly of himself. That might be about right: [Trump speaks at level of 8-year-old, new analysis finds](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-language-level-speaking-skills-age-eight-year-old-vocabulary-analysis-a8149926.html) \*Mr Trump scores the lowest of any of the past 15 presidents \* > [@](#): > > Donald Trump may call himself a genius on Twitter, but his spoken statements say otherwise. > > An analysis of the President’s first 30,000 words uttered in office found Mr Trump speaks at a third- to seventh-grade reading level – lower than any other President since 1929. Mr Trump’s vocabulary and grammatical structure is “significantly more simple, and less diverse” than any President since Herbert Hoover, the analysis found. > > The comparison is based on interviews, speeches and press conferences for every president dating back to 1929, compiled by online database Factba.se. Analysts at Factba.se studied the “off-script” remarks of all 15 men – essentially, everything but their prepared speeches – to compare and contrast their speaking skills. > > … > > Mr Trump averaged significantly fewer syllables per word than the last 14 Presidents, and used significantly fewer unique words. The gaps appeared when comparing all available remarks, and when comparing only the first 30,000 words of each presidency. Social media posts were excluded from the data. > > “Compared to the 14 presidents who preceded him, by every measure, [Mr Trump’s] use of words when off script are significantly less diverse, and simpler, than all presidents who preceded him back to Herbert Hoover,” wrote Factba.se CEO Bill Frischling. From an older article where Trump assesses himself: [Confident. Incorrigible. Bully: Little Donny was a lot like candidate Donald Trump](https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/young-donald-trump-military-school/2016/06/22/f0b3b164-317c-11e6-8758-d58e76e11b12_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.775d947f4dce) > [@](#): > > “When I look at myself in the first grade and I look at myself now, I’m basically the same,” the 70-year-old presumptive Republican nominee once told a biographer. “The temperament is not that different.” ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2019, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31249 "2019-03-16T05:34:17Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Sorry. You never know what might randomly trigger someone. On its own merits, it was a fine post. It just made me look so _wrong_. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2019, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31250 "2019-03-16T13:39:02Z")
From dasmoocher’s post above - > [@](#): > > Mr Trump averaged significantly fewer syllables per word than the last 14 Presidents, and used significantly fewer unique words. The gaps appeared when comparing all available remarks, and when comparing only the first 30,000 words of each presidency. Social media posts were excluded from the data. Interesting, but I think fair that they did not include social media in the analysis. No way to do a comparison since social media has only been available to Trump and Obama. We all have seen his social media posts though. I don’t ‘tweet’ myself but have read plenty of his tweets and have seen the responses to his words. It’s VERY easy to pick out the tweets that where not written by Trump (see the tweet regarding the New Zealand shootings). There are no comparisons. But we don’t need them. Trump’s tweets, even compared to the fodder of the rest of the community, show that he is a simpleton. That he doesn’t understand that Twitter is not a proper medium for Presidential decree is example #1 that individual #1 is a moron. The context (or lack of) his tweets is simply supporting evidence. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2019, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31251 "2019-03-16T13:46:36Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > …That he doesn’t understand that Twitter is not a proper medium for Presidential decree is example #1 that individual #1 is a moron. … I agree with this 100%. And what does it say about those who accept his tweets as [“presidential decree,”](https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+tweet+as+policy&client=firefox-b-1-d&source=lnt&tbs=qdr:y&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwicxs-k5YbhAhUEWqwKHQYkCZYQpwUIJg&biw=1368&bih=772) hmmm? At first it shocked and outraged us. [Now we’re used to it and accept it.](https://imgur.com/vQ7gDr4) ---
**Author:** ![plankter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7ba0ec/32.png) [@plankter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/plankter)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2019, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31252 "2019-03-16T14:06:05Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > “Make America Sane Again.” Nice acronym to fit on a hat (blue, of course). If those MASA hatters get their way, there’ll be a tamale cart on every corner. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2019, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31253 "2019-03-16T14:42:17Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > I am genuinely baffled when people advance the _Pence Will Be Worse_™ theory. Yep. You have to address the issue at hand. To worry that something worse may come along defeats the concept of law and order. Not arresting the bank robber because the next guy may blow up the bank is not the way to address crime. The best way, in Trumps case in particular, is to dole out proper punishment so future criminals will think twice. This is doubly true for elected positions. Yep, you are going to be put under a microscope. If you’re a crook and career criminal, it’s best to stay out of the limelight. While it is… um… good that Trumps crimes are coming to light, these crimes need to be prosecuted and pursued to the fullest extent of the law. Showing the world that the US elected a criminal moron and didn’t do a dam thing about it puts our country in high jeopardy for many reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_McQwark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4da419/32.png) [@Steve\_McQwark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_McQwark)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2019, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31254 "2019-03-16T15:54:12Z")
> [@plankter](#): > > If those MASA hatters get their way, there’ll be a tamale cart on every corner. Yeah, I’m not falling for that again. In 2016 I was promised that if I voted for Hillary Clinton, there would be a taco stand on every corner. Well, I did, and there’s no fucking taco stand on my corner, so you can just piss off with your blue-sky promises. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2019, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31255 "2019-03-16T16:54:42Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > _Mr Trump scores the lowest of any of the past 15 presidents_ Most agreed, but for this: > [@](#): > > and used significantly fewer unique words. Trump has, if nothing else, used more unique words than most past presidents that I’ve seen. Obama couldn’t have come up with covfefe, Lincoln never had a hamberder, and even Washington never called the nation he represents “The Unite Shaates.” > [@enipla](#): > > From dasmoocher’s post above - > > Interesting, but I think fair that they did not include social media in the analysis. No way to do a comparison since social media has only been available to Trump and Obama. > > We all have seen his social media posts though. I don’t ‘tweet’ myself but have read plenty of his tweets and have seen the responses to his words. It’s VERY easy to pick out the tweets that where not written by Trump (see the tweet regarding the New Zealand shootings). > > There are no comparisons. But we don’t need them. Trump’s tweets, even compared to the fodder of the rest of the community, show that he is a simpleton. > > That he doesn’t understand that Twitter is not a proper medium for Presidential decree is example #1 that individual #1 is a moron. The context (or lack of) his tweets is simply supporting evidence. There were a couple of tweets from the Obama admin, but whether they were tapped out by Obama or a staffer, they were not done extemporaneously while on the shitter. I see social media as a useful way to reach the public. But, it, like most forms of reaching the public, should actually be mostly handled by the public relations division. > [@plankter](#): > > If those MASA hatters get their way, there’ll be a tamale cart on every corner. Think it’ll be here soon? I’m getting hungry. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2019, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31256 "2019-03-16T17:04:34Z")
I’m bothered by his use of Twitter, not only because he says reckless and careless things, but because it’s an indirect endorsement of a particular private enterprise. A proper president would make a press release like they always did, having been run by staff and checked for accuracy and potential impact before being released. Sitting on the can and regurgitating talking points from Fox is not presidential. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2019, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31257 "2019-03-16T17:33:46Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Trump has, if nothing else, used more unique words than most past presidents that I’ve seen. True. But are they in the dictionary? Imagine playing Scrabble with Trump. He would probably cheat worse than he does at golf. And he has the best brane and werds. It would bee no kontest. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2019, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31258 "2019-03-16T18:02:44Z")
I watched the _Dirty Money_ episode about Trump (_The Confidence Man_) and it’s pretty interesting. Trump’s love/hate relationship with the press goes way back and so does his obtuseness. Back in clips from the '90s when Trump is going bankrupt, he states that “When people say something false [about me], I attack those people”. Of course, anything not pro-Trump is false. In a 1990 interview that he eventually walks out of, Trump accuses the reporter of being “inaccurate”. When the interviewer asks for a specific example of his inaccuracy, Trump says that the interviewer’s “demeanor was inaccurate” and the questions he was asking of the Trump Organization were “inaccurate, false, and unfair”. Maybe Lindsey Graham or Jim Jordan can explain how demeanor can be inaccurate and questions can be false. And, this is Trump supposedly in his prime before any onset of dementia. I guess a false, inaccurate question could be something like: “Mr. Trump, how does it feel to be a self-made billionaire?” ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2019, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31259 "2019-03-16T18:07:42Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > The Trump strategy for survival: pound the conspiracy theories (FISA warrants! Steele dossier! Hillary! Benghazi!) and wait for the military/police/Bikers for Trump coup to rescue him. > > There are 2 paths you can go by; but in the long run there’s still time to change the road you’re on. Prophetic! Here’s the full quote in context: “So here’s the thing—it’s so terrible what’s happening,” Trump said when asked by Breitbart News Washington Political Editor Matthew Boyle about how the left is fighting hard. “You know, the left plays a tougher game, it’s very funny. I actually think that the people on the right are tougher, but they don’t play it tougher. Okay? **I can tell you I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump – I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough — until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad**. But the left plays it cuter and tougher. Like with all the nonsense that they do in Congress … with all this invest[igations]—that’s all they want to do is –you know, they do things that are nasty. Republicans never played this.” That’s a fucking threat. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2019, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31260 "2019-03-16T18:10:59Z")
> [@plankter](#): > > If those MASA hatters get their way, there’ll be a tamale cart on every corner. dammit, now I have the Gipsy Kings singing in my head, “_Tamale, oh oh, frijoles, oh oh oh oh_” ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2019, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31261 "2019-03-16T18:25:58Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > True. But are they in the dictionary? Imagine playing Scrabble with Trump. He would probably cheat worse than he does at golf. And he has the best brane and werds. It would bee no kontest. Dickshonhairys are for losers. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2019, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31262 "2019-03-16T18:31:58Z")
“It’s a damn poor mind that can think of only one way to spell a word.”– Andrew Jackson (CFSG’s faverite Presidnet) ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2019, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31263 "2019-03-16T18:38:53Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Here’s the full quote in context: > > “So here’s the thing—it’s so terrible what’s happening,” Trump said when asked by Breitbart News Washington Political Editor Matthew Boyle about how the left is fighting hard. “You know, the left plays a tougher game, it’s very funny. I actually think that the people on the right are tougher, but they don’t play it tougher. Okay? **I can tell you I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump – I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough — until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad**. But the left plays it cuter and tougher. Like with all the nonsense that they do in Congress … with all this invest[igations]—that’s all they want to do is –you know, they do things that are nasty. Republicans never played this.” > > That’s a fucking threat. It’s a threat that he expects other people to act on. He thinks that it is threatening, and it may actually be, but he is asking his followers to follow up on his words. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2019, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31264 "2019-03-16T18:39:11Z")
Don’t forget [the corollary](http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/myl/languagelog/archives/002810.html): > [@Bucky Katt](#): > > Grammar am for people who can’t think for **myself** - understanded me? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1562) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1564)