# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1591
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31805 "2019-04-10T04:03:21Z")
In my opinion, no, you were not wrong. Trump is an evil, cruel, stupid person, and anyone who cannot see this is (at best) a deluded fool, and most likely agrees with Trump’s cruelty, evilness and stupidity. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31806 "2019-04-10T04:24:23Z")
Also, pardon me for misspelling hypocrisy in my post. Anyhow… he claimed that I had caused him a lot of sadness, anxiety, stress, anger, and depression because of what I had said , and that he is not the person that I said he was in my email. But you know, folks, it’s pretty hard to believe that, given the people that he admires and supports…Trump, Cruz, Palin, Carlson, Bachman, and so on. I believe that you can tell a lot about people by the ones they admire. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31807 "2019-04-10T07:38:46Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > Was I wrong to say what I said? Add me to the chorus of “I don’t think you were”. One of the characteristics which seem to be necessary in order to be a true Trumpist is a lack of self-awareness and empathy: your former acquaintance appears to fit the type just fine. Dude A: “all those refugees should just go back to wherever they’re from!” Dude B: “dude, they can’t. If they could do it with any kind of hopes of having a decent life there, they would. I think what you just said isn’t very smart.” Dude A: “How dare you!!!11!!!” ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31808 "2019-04-10T08:10:49Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > I didn’t feel like I could keep silent about something that offends me to the very core of my soul, so I said something about it. I said that if Trump was doing God’s work, then that God must be a really stupid, cruel asshole. Either that, or he had bought into the evangelicals and their hypocracy and their willingness to excuse or ignore anything Trump does as long as he carries out their bidding politically. I added that if he was okay with Trump, he must also be okay with racism, bigotry, cruelty, and so forth. > > Boy, was he butt hurt and angry about that. He said it’s just Petty politics and stupid things that don’t matter and that I had hurt him to his core. > > Was I wrong to say what I said? No, you spoke the truth. And he’s a butthurt hypocrite - if all that is “just” petty politics and stupid things that don’t matter how could talking about them “hurt him to his core”? > [@vivalostwages](#): > > Anyhow… he claimed that I had caused him a lot of sadness, anxiety, stress, anger, and depression because of what I had said , and that he is not the person that I said he was in my email. But not nearly sad, anxious, stressed, angered, and depressed as the family of the woman killed by a wannabe nazi or the people injured by the same guy driving over peaceful demonstrators, or the parents separated from their kids at the border who may never see them again, or any of the other people hurt by the actions of this administration. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31809 "2019-04-10T13:03:25Z")
[Loser Donald visits Mount Vernon, says he could have built it better and cheaper, and that George Washington was dumb for not naming it after himself.](https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/10/donald-trump-mount-vernon-george-washington-1264073) > [@](#): > > “If he was smart, he would’ve put his name on it,” Trump said, according to three sources briefed on the exchange. “You’ve got to put your name on stuff or no one remembers you.” ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31810 "2019-04-10T13:20:13Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > This is not a hijack, but I need to ask… > > I’ve been on the outs with an old friend for the past few years because he had betrayed my trust and I just don’t want to get into the details. But aside from that, I have discovered that he is quite the Trump supporter, even going so far as to say that Trump is doing God’s work. > > I didn’t feel like I could keep silent about something that offends me to the very core of my soul, so I said something about it. I said that if Trump was doing God’s work, then that God must be a really stupid, cruel asshole. Either that, or he had bought into the evangelicals and their hypocracy and their willingness to excuse or ignore anything Trump does as long as he carries out their bidding politically. I added that if he was okay with Trump, he must also be okay with racism, bigotry, cruelty, and so forth. > > Boy, was he butt hurt and angry about that. He said it’s just Petty politics and stupid things that don’t matter and that I had hurt him to his core. > > Was I wrong to say what I said? > [@Broomstick](#): > > No, you spoke the truth. And he’s a butthurt hypocrite - if all that is “just” petty politics and stupid things that don’t matter how could talking about them “hurt him to his core”? I’m kinda fascinated by how quickly he went from “doing God’s work” to “petty politics and stupid things”. I had no idea God was such a micro-manager. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31811 "2019-04-10T13:20:24Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > [Loser Donald visits Mount Vernon, says he could have built it better and cheaper, and that George Washington was dumb for not naming it after himself.](https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/10/donald-trump-mount-vernon-george-washington-1264073) That’s…not an Onion article or an April Fool’s joke. Sweet Jesus. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31812 "2019-04-10T13:35:08Z")
And yet he’s right. After all, who even remembers the name of the guy who built Mount Vernon? ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31813 "2019-04-10T13:42:55Z")
* * * > [@](#): > > “If he was smart, he would’ve put his name on it,” Trump said, according to three sources briefed on the exchange. “You’ve got to put your name on stuff or no one remembers you.” Washington who? :smack: [It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others.](https://despair.com/collections/demotivators/products/mistakes?variant=2457302467) Make no mistake Trump. You will be remembered. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31814 "2019-04-10T13:46:28Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > [Loser Donald visits Mount Vernon, says he could have built it better and cheaper, and that George Washington was dumb for not naming it after himself.](https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/10/donald-trump-mount-vernon-george-washington-1264073) Yeah, because Nobody today remembers Washington, but Admiral Edward Vernon is a household name. Although definitely not a household name in the US today, Admiral Vernon is pretty well known to historians. And he’s probably the reason that the word “Grog” exists. > **[Edward Vernon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Vernon)** > > Admiral Edward Vernon (12 November 1684 – 30 October 1757) was a Royal Navy officer and politician. He had a long and distinguished career, rising to the rank of admiral after 46 years service. As a vice admiral during the War of Jenkins' Ear, in 1739 he was responsible for the capture of Portobelo, Panama, seen as expunging the failure of Admiral Hosier there in a previous conflict. However, his amphibious operation against the Spanish port of Cartagena de Indias was a disastrous defeat. Vern... ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31815 "2019-04-10T13:49:08Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > … > I’ve been on the outs with an old friend for the past few years because he had betrayed my trust and I just don’t want to get into the details. > … > Was I wrong to say what I said? > [@vivalostwages](#): > > … > Anyhow… he claimed that I had caused him a lot of sadness, anxiety, stress, anger, and depression because of what I had said , and that he is not the person that I said he was in my **email**. (emphasis added) Yes. What you said wasn’t the problem. If you are already on the outs with the person, don’t get into an email exchange with him about this shit. It’s just further proof that this is someone you need to excise from your life. Are you sending emails to every fascist idiot who goes on about Dumb Mussolini-lite is doing whomever’s work? Did you think you were going to change his mind? These fascists are delusional. Sadly, we have found that this mass delusion reaches much farther than any rational person is comfortable with. Don’t wrestle with a pig; you’ll both get dirty but the pig will enjoy it. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31816 "2019-04-10T15:17:06Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > [Loser Donald visits Mount Vernon, says he could have built it better and cheaper, and that George Washington was dumb for not naming it after himself.](https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/10/donald-trump-mount-vernon-george-washington-1264073) I like how one commenter defended Trump by saying Trump was only joking: “Oh, waaah. He was joking. The problem is you people can’t control your own abject hatred long enough to recognize humor when it happens. He was joking, you humorless scold.” Yes, Trump is well known for his historical knowledge and insightful wit, and obviously was using his comedic prowess to make an ironic joke. I suspect it’s more likely that commenter isn’t too bright him/herself and can’t tell the difference between humor and stupidity. Some true MAGA believers seem to think Trump can do no wrong, so ignorance becomes sly sarcastic humor. Another commenter noted the Trump spokespeople and supporters were always having to say “he was joking” or “what he meant to say was” to explain the stupid shit Trump is always spewing. Trump makes W. Bush look like Daniel Webster. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31817 "2019-04-10T15:31:07Z")
Regarding that, does Trump _ever_ joke? I can’t remember a time when he joked or laughed. Even smiles seem rare for him. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31818 "2019-04-10T15:34:30Z")
Trump _is_ the joke, and not a very good one. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31819 "2019-04-10T15:45:23Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Regarding that, does Trump _ever_ joke? I can’t remember a time when he joked or laughed. Even smiles seem rare for him. He cracked a joke once at some function about his wife stealing Michelle Obama’s speech. It actually wasn’t terrible. I can’t imagine that it was his material. ---
**Author:** ![Tatterdemalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Tatterdemalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tatterdemalion)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31820 "2019-04-10T16:01:45Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > ShitGibbon has business ties to people involved with the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, so he has supported terrorism by his own definition, which makes him a terrorist. This is news? ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31821 "2019-04-10T16:18:45Z")
No, the news is that he has just declared that anybody with ties to the IRG is a terrorist. So, he’s just called himself a terrorist, which isn’t quite the same as anybody who’s been paying attention knowing that he’s the kind of guy whose biggest regret after selling his own mother would be if he later found out he could get more by renting. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31822 "2019-04-10T16:44:55Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Trump _is_ the joke, and not a very good one. The MAGAts were whooshed on the paunchline. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31823 "2019-04-10T17:07:09Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > Also, pardon me for misspelling hypocrisy in my post. > > Anyhow… he claimed that I had caused him a lot of sadness, anxiety, stress, anger, and depression because of what I had said , and that he is not the person that I said he was in my email. > > But you know, folks, it’s pretty hard to believe that, given the people that he admires and supports…Trump, Cruz, Palin, Carlson, Bachman, and so on. > > I believe that you can tell a lot about people by the ones they admire. You can, indeed. That doesn’t mean that Trump supporters are all 100% bad - I won’t deny that they have some good qualities, can be friendly under most circumstances, and love their children, too. None of that good erases the fact that they knowingly support a person who is trying to reverse decades of progress in terms of creating a more inclusive society. What it tells me is that they simply don’t want their America to be inclusive or to be fair. They want it for themselves. Fuck that, and fuck them. I’ve no time for that shit. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2019, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31824 "2019-04-10T17:14:53Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > Anyhow… he claimed that I had caused him a lot of sadness, anxiety, stress, anger, and depression because of what I had said I believe the standard conservative response to such a complaint is “Fuck your feelings”? Oh right, it’s different when it’s **their** feelings that are hurt. If Trump supporters don’t like being associated with racism, bigotry and cruelty in the minds of their former friends, then they should stop promoting and enabling racism, bigotry and cruelty. So many of them seem to expect that they should be able to support totally vile and irresponsible political shenanigans without any pushback at all from people they know. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1590) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1592)