# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1598
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31945 "2019-04-12T16:26:20Z")
ROTFLMAO: I just saw a clip where Pence said: “As the President has clearly stated.” It doesn’t really matter what policy point he’s talking about, does it? A few seconds later: ~“The President has always been willing to speak truth to power…” Yes. Look at the evidence–Trump has consistently criticized Putin, the real power behind Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31946 "2019-04-12T16:32:35Z")
This is the “logic” of dumping refugees/immigrants/whatnot in Democratic centers: 1. all refugees are violent criminals, so crime will rise, and the Dems will be sorry! (not true, so a pointless reason) 2. Democrats love non-citizens voting, so let’s send them more (that doesn’t even make sense in a MAGA way. If Dems used non-citizens to vote, then having more of them is a good thing, innit?) ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31947 "2019-04-12T17:03:03Z")
Based on Trump’s logic, that’s an attempt to kill Democrats. His logic is flawed so it wouldn’t work, but the idea behind it is still abominable. Hiring an undercover police officer to kill your wife won’t work, but you’d still go to jail for it. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31948 "2019-04-12T17:24:24Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > A few seconds later: ~“The President has always been willing to speak truth to power…” The President hasn’t ever been willing to speak truth to _anyone_. Not even himself. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31949 "2019-04-12T17:25:10Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > I’ll bet a LOT of people are wondering that. They weren’t odious enough. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31950 "2019-04-12T18:06:56Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > As the cited article notes, even ICE thinks it’s a dumb idea: As usual, [the iDJiT is having difficulty taking “no” for an answer](http://www.startribune.com/trump-considered-dumping-migrants-in-democratic-strongholds/508485642/). ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31951 "2019-04-12T18:07:38Z")
So Trump considered dumping migrants into sanctuary cities as political “payback” to his enemies. But the administration says that idea was ultimately shot down. [Like hell it was, says Trump.](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/438638-trump-says-he-is-considering-releasing-immigrants-into-sanctuary) ETA: Ninja’d! ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31952 "2019-04-12T18:37:50Z")
So, a sort of act of civil war, perpetrated by the POTUS? Something tells me this will get a lot of approval from a certain set. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31953 "2019-04-12T18:46:31Z")
The Individual 1 apologists (including Individual 1 himself ([https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1116696849853886465](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1116696849853886465))) are all shouting with joy that former Obama aide Gregory Craig has been indicted for his work with Paul Manafort in representing Ukraine without registering as a foreign agent. Kellyanne tweeted, “BREAKING NEWS! FINALLY! WHITE HOUSE OFFICIAL INDICTED in connection with MUELLER investigation!” Twitter is replying that she seems to have forgotten that Michael Flynn worked in the White House, and that Craig had not been in the White House for seven years before his actions that led to his indictment. > **[Kellyanne Conway Schooled On Twitter After Amnesia About Michael Flynn...](https://news.yahoo.com/kellyanne-conway-gregory-craig-michael-flynn-twitter-001309427.html)** > > She gloats about charges against former Obama administration lawyer Gregory Craig while Trump's former national security adviser apparently slips her mind. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31954 "2019-04-12T18:53:21Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > The Individual 1 apologists (including Individual 1 himself ([https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1116696849853886465](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1116696849853886465))) are all shouting with joy that former Obama aide Gregory Craig has been indicted for his work with Paul Manafort in representing Ukraine without registering as a foreign agent. Kellyanne tweeted, “BREAKING NEWS! FINALLY! WHITE HOUSE OFFICIAL INDICTED in connection with MUELLER investigation!” > > Twitter is replying that she seems to have forgotten that Michael Flynn worked in the White House, and that Craig had not been in the White House for seven years before his actions that led to his indictment. > [Kellyanne Conway Schooled On Twitter After Amnesia About Michael Flynn Indictment](https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/kellyanne-conway-gregory-craig-michael-flynn-twitter-001309427.html) Also, I’m not super politically saavy, but “look at this scumbag, he was so shady he worked with Trump’s campaign manager!” doesn’t seem like a good line. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31955 "2019-04-12T19:40:28Z")
Trump promised to pardon officials arrested for implementing his illegal policies. But that’s fine. > ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31956 "2019-04-12T19:48:55Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Trump promised to pardon any officials arrested for implementing his illegal policies. But that’s fine. > > [https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1116787246303195136?s=21](https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1116787246303195136?s=21) What’s missing from the tweet is what is undoubtedly the reverse side of that “offer”: if he disobeys the president, the president will turn up the heat on him and push him out. This is the very real, very dangerous pattern that we are witnessing in this administration: the government is becoming a tool, a symbol of Trump’s authoritarian power. He’s doing what authoritarians do: replacing competent civil servants who administer according to procedure and replacing them with toadies who administer to demonstrate their loyalty to the president. This also underscores the danger that has been lurking within the framework of the Constitution all along, particularly in modern times when, as a result of the Cold War, congress delegated a lot of its administrative powers to the president and relaxed its oversight. The president can ignore congress and ignore courts, and they can’t necessarily do anything to make him stop ignoring them. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31957 "2019-04-12T22:26:00Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Trump promised to pardon officials arrested for implementing his illegal policies. But that’s fine. > > [https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1116787246303195136?s=21](https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1116787246303195136?s=21) This is undeniably an impeachable offence. Already Republicans are scrambling to unite over the “he was only joking” narrative. Of course no one is fooled. Trump doesn’t “joke.” He meant it. But if he meant it, then he can be impeached—and GOP Senators will have trouble defending their inevitable votes to protect, rather than convict him. So he HAS to have been “joking.” ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31958 "2019-04-12T22:52:56Z")
Aren’t jokes supposed to be, I dunno, even marginally in the vicinity of funny ? ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31959 "2019-04-12T22:54:29Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Aren’t jokes supposed to be, I dunno, even marginally in the vicinity of funny ? Not for Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31960 "2019-04-12T23:10:23Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Is that what we do now? A family from Honduras requests asylum, they get processed, and they say “We have family in Detroit”. Are they sent to Detroit to live with that family? If they actually do have family in Detroit and that family is willing to take them in, sure - why wouldn’t that be done? > [@](#): > > What if they have no family in the US, what happens to them? Cages in Texas somewhere? Up until now, someone getting asylum would NOT be “kept in a cage”, they’d be sent somewhere to live until, preferably with some social support that can help them. Groups might be settled in clusters - the Lost Boys of Sudan, for example, were set to 38 cities in the US and set up in apartments in groups rather than families, as so many had lost all contact with their families. More on the [Lost Boys (and Girls) of the Sudan in the US here,](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Boys_of_Sudan#Current_status_and_resettlement) including rates of things like PTSD among them. [Here is information on the Hmong in the US](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hmong_Americans), another significant group of refugees that, again, were settles in a number of cities. And, of course, there are also individual asylum seekers and refugees as well. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31961 "2019-04-12T23:11:05Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Trump promised to pardon officials arrested for implementing his illegal policies. But that’s fine. > > [https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1116787246303195136?s=21](https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1116787246303195136?s=21) > [@Sherrerd](#): > > This is undeniably an impeachable offence. Already Republicans are scrambling to unite over the “he was only joking” narrative. > > Of course no one is fooled. Trump doesn’t “joke.” He meant it. But if he meant it, then he can be impeached—and GOP Senators will have trouble defending their inevitable votes to protect, rather than convict him. > > So he HAS to have been “joking.” It is an impeachable offense, which makes it unfortunate that it’s sourced to anonymous sources. If it’s true, then you need to report it to the authorities. If you don’t, and you don’t even provide a way to be found, then it’s as good as not having done anything at all. > **[18 U.S. Code § 373 - Solicitation to commit a crime of violence](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/373)** > **[18 U.S. Code § 201 - Bribery of public officials and witnesses](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/201)** > **[18 U.S. Code § 371 - Conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud United States](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/371)** ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31962 "2019-04-12T23:21:59Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Not for Republicans. But even less funny for people who value freedom. I think now people are beginning to understand what I’ve been trying to point out the last 2 years. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31963 "2019-04-12T23:26:31Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I think now people are beginning to understand what I’ve been trying to point out the last 2 years. For those of us who might not have been paying much attention, what have you been trying to point out for so long? ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/31964 "2019-04-12T23:32:30Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > For those of us who might not have been paying much attention, what have you been trying to point out for so long? I think it was something about how we’re any second now going to have to go to literal war to salvage the country, shooting politicians and cops and the like. I could be one of those people who’s pre-understanding, though. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1597) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1599)