# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1606
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32105 "2019-04-24T18:34:02Z")
Individual 1 says he would appeal to the Supreme Court if Congress were to begin impeachment against him. He clearly doesn’t understand how things work. > **[Trump says he'll turn to Supreme Court if Congress begins impeachment](https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/24/trump-supreme-court-impeachment-1289314)** > > “I DID NOTHING WRONG,” Trump said. “If the partisan Dems ever tried to Impeach, I would first head to the U.S. Supreme Court.” ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32106 "2019-04-24T18:49:16Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > This. To the max. The Pubbies no longer care about the law. And no one (currently) can make them care. Let’s face it. Current Republican leadership in House, Senate and Executive branch are perfectly fine with working with hostile foreign governments to disrupt elections, and gain hacked intel to damage their Democrat opponents. They are EXPLICITLY OK with this. All of them. Their only goal is to maintain power, and if they have to work closely with enemies of the country to do this… well that’s just fine with them. There is no evidence that any Republican politicians think any differently. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32107 "2019-04-24T18:51:18Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Individual 1 says he would appeal to the Supreme Court if Congress were to begin impeachment against him. He clearly doesn’t understand how things work. > [https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/24/trump-supreme-court-impeachment-1289314](https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/24/trump-supreme-court-impeachment-1289314) Yeah, that’s one case in which he’d have an 8-1 ruling against him even if he gets another justice (Thomas would write the dissent). ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32108 "2019-04-24T19:33:32Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > This. To the max. The Pubbies no longer care about the law. And no one (currently) can make them care. I think they care about the law. They do want to keep the President who is of their party, and they do have a Republican agenda, just as the Democrats have an agenda. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32109 "2019-04-24T19:52:15Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I think they care about the law. They only care about the law when it is in their favor. They don’t care anything about impartiality. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32110 "2019-04-24T19:58:44Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > They only care about the law when it is in their favor. They don’t care anything about impartiality. I’ll go with that. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32111 "2019-04-24T20:27:32Z")
nm too obvious ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32112 "2019-04-24T20:35:42Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I think they care about the law. They do want to keep the President who is of their party, and they do have a Republican agenda, just as the Democrats have an agenda. No they don’t. The Republicans are quite, quite clear that if the President is a Republican, that means he does not have to follow the law. They law does not apply to them. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32113 "2019-04-24T20:44:07Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > In theory, Congress can end this pretty quickly. But the Senate is controlled by Republicans. I question whether the Senate would even begin deliberating. After all, we’re talking about the same Mitch McConnell who decided that “advice and consent” meant that we should do nothing about a SCOTUS appointee until after the 2016 election. I’ve no doubt that would be his response to an impeachment. \*Let the American people decide by voting whether the president should even be bothered with the indignity of a Senate trial. \* But I don’t see that as the worst outcome. What’s far more disturbing to me is that this confrontation between the House Democrats and the President is becoming a Constitutional crisis in which the president simply ignores and outright spites the House’s constitutionally-held powers of oversight. This is very, very serious shit we’re talking about here, and it’s just the beginning. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32114 "2019-04-24T21:10:35Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I question whether the Senate would even begin deliberating. After all, we’re talking about the same Mitch McConnell who decided that “advice and consent” meant that we should do nothing about a SCOTUS appointee until after the 2016 election. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/pZwvrxVavnQ/maxresdefault.jpg "Tea and Consent") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZwvrxVavnQ) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2019, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32115 "2019-04-24T21:21:36Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > But I don’t see that as the worst outcome. What’s far more disturbing to me is that this confrontation between the House Democrats and the President is becoming a Constitutional crisis in which the president simply ignores and outright spites the House’s constitutionally-held powers of oversight. This is very, very serious shit we’re talking about here, and it’s just the beginning. Republicans are quite, quite clear that they like to have a Republican party King, with autocratic powers, who ignores the other branches of government. They grant him the ability to work closely with hostile foreign governments and/or authoritarian autocrats in order to retain power. It’s not a problem for them if he does anything illegal, since Republican presidents cannot be indicted, so that’s all good. This is where we are at now. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32116 "2019-04-25T00:27:28Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Individual 1 says he would appeal to the Supreme Court if Congress were to begin impeachment against him. He clearly doesn’t understand how things work. > [https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/24/trump-supreme-court-impeachment-1289314](https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/24/trump-supreme-court-impeachment-1289314) _La loi, c’est moi._ Yes, I know it’s not what Louis XIV (may have) said, but I think it’s more appropriate to the current situation. Besides, it rhymes. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32117 "2019-04-25T00:52:15Z")
> [@OttoDaFe](#): > > _La loi, c’est moi._ > > Yes, I know it’s not what Louis XIV (may have) said, but I think it’s more appropriate to the current situation. Besides, it rhymes. I think Huey Long once said “I _am_ the Constitution.” ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32118 "2019-04-25T00:54:17Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Individual 1 says he would appeal to the Supreme Court if Congress were to begin impeachment against him. He clearly doesn’t understand how things work. > [https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/24/trump-supreme-court-impeachment-1289314](https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/24/trump-supreme-court-impeachment-1289314) He doesn’t understand, because he doesn’t care to. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32119 "2019-04-25T01:04:17Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Individual 1 says he would appeal to the Supreme Court if Congress were to begin impeachment against him. He clearly doesn’t understand how things work. > [https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/24/trump-supreme-court-impeachment-1289314](https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/24/trump-supreme-court-impeachment-1289314) wait - correct me if I am wrong - the person being impeached doesn’t get a say in if they are being impeached - they may get to testify, but they are not part of the process itself in that sense. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32120 "2019-04-25T01:28:08Z")
> [@simster](#): > > wait - correct me if I am wrong - the person being impeached doesn’t get a say in if they are being impeached - they may get to testify, but they are not part of the process itself in that sense. In the USA you can try to take anything to court, no matter how stupid. It doesn’t mean that any court will take up the case, but you can issue the request. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32121 "2019-04-25T01:36:07Z")
He is a central figure, like the subject of a firing squad. Essential, even. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32122 "2019-04-25T01:39:30Z")
Il Douche loves dogs. [https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-animal-love-greatest-equipment-world-dog](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-animal-love-greatest-equipment-world-dog) Doesn’t actually own a dog. Dogs everywhere drool with approval. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32123 "2019-04-25T01:57:48Z")
> [@simster](#): > > wait - correct me if I am wrong - the person being impeached doesn’t get a say in if they are being impeached - they may get to testify, but they are not part of the process itself in that sense. Trump believes that he can either bribe, threaten, or offer the SCOTUS a better deal. “It’s just business as usual” If he gets to appoint many more judges, that’s the way it’s gonna be. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32124 "2019-04-25T02:39:25Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Il Douche loves dogs. > [Trump The Animal Lover? ‘The Greatest Equipment In The World Is A Dog’ - TPM – Talking Points Memo](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-animal-love-greatest-equipment-world-dog) > > Doesn’t actually own a dog. Dogs everywhere drool with approval. The only time Trump would ever hug a dog is if it was wearing a flag. Then he’d hump it, too. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1605) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1607)