# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1628
**Author:** ![Steve\_McQwark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4da419/32.png) [@Steve\_McQwark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_McQwark)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2019, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32545 "2019-05-16T16:30:21Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …they aren’t “nibbling at the edges” of Roe vs Wade. They are trying to steamroll right over the top of it. The game has changed. This isn’t the “same thing” that has been happening over the last 40 years. This is a significant acceleration. I have no fucking idea how any of this is going to play out. But as the Slate article I posted pointed out: > > They aren’t overreacting. I am not overreacting. This is a goddamn emergency. “Nibbling?” I mean what the fuck? > > **Progressives are complacent.** Women’s liberation came about because women stepped up a fought for their rights. Gay marriage and gay rights came about because gay people came out (literally) and fought for those rights. And the battle for transgender rights isn’t even close to “being won.” All those hard-fought battles can be overturned at the stroke of a pen. We are watching that happen right now. > > Progressives aren’t winning. The people that want to take away women’s rights and gay rights and transgender rights are not going to go away. Trump still has 46% approval [rating](https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx). (Obama, at the same time in his term only had 44% approval) Progressives aren’t winning because several states have just signed into law restrictive abortion bills. They aren’t winning because transgender people can no longer join the military. They aren’t winning because they are on the defensive. And they will always be on the defensive and the best they will ever be able to do is to marginalise the voices that seek to silence them. > > Congratulations on “being woke.” Unfortunately that doesn’t fucking matter if the people that “aren’t woke” control the administration, the senate and the federal courts. > > The “conservatives” are playing fucking dirty and the “centerists” are too far up their own arses to realize what they are doing. The progressives should be winning. They are bigger and more diverse. But the progressives are being fought by both the “centerists” \*\*and \*\*the “conservatives.” The centerists keep telling the progressives to “shut up we want to win the marginal Trump supporter.” The centerists need a fucking wake-up-call. > > This isn’t the “Battle of the Bulge.” This isn’t a traditional war and the metaphor doesn’t fit whats actually going on. They control the Federal Government, the Senate, they are packing the Federal Courts at an unprecedented rate. And its the last one that will won’t be able to be fixed readily, even if Trump gets kicked out of office in 2020. And heaven forbid something happens to Ginsberg. I agree with most of the things you say I just disagree with your outlook. In the short view, conservatives are winning. In the longer view, equality is winning. As you say, women fought for their rights, gays fought for their rights, people of color fought for their rights, and because they are winning, society is winning. And yes, because there is pushback and because there is complacency, the fight continues. But the people who have gained those rights are not going to willingly give them up. And the longer they have those rights the more the centrists and even, eventually, the conservatives accept it as the status quo. Let’s take gay marriage as an easy example. In the 70s gay marriage wouldn’t have even be considered practical enough to be used as a wacky plot point in a sitcom. By the 90s people were considering that civil unions might be okay for gays, but not marriage. Now, according to Pew Research, 61% of people approve of gay marriage. That doesn’t mean gay marriage is safe, but we’re not going to go back to the time when it was unthinkable. The window of normality is moving towards ever greater equality and that is a win. Roe vs. Wade led to the creation of the Moral Majority and the Christian Right movement. The election of Barack Obama led to the growth of the Tea Party movement. I think the Republican’s attacks on voting rights, immigrants and women’s freedom is causing an explosion of growth amongst the progressive groups. The fact that the Democrats took back the House last fall was not a big omen - the out-of-power party tends to make a surge in the non-presidential elections. What I do think was an omen was who was elected: women, people of color, gays, Muslims. Many were inspired to run because of the pushback on their rights. That is a win. Bad laws can be repealed. Executive orders can be overridden by new executives. But, you’re right - the courts are going to be a problem for a while. Trump’s international policies are going to be a problem for a while. Pain is nature’s way of saying don’t do that. The political and economic pain that the United States is feeling and will continue to feel, is the international community’s way of saying, don’t do that again. So, you’re right, complacency is a problem; we have to roll up our sleeves and continue to fight. But, as we’re rolling up our sleeves, we should consider how far we’ve come and use that as motivation to say, yes we can do this. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2019, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32546 "2019-05-16T16:34:47Z")
**Trump Promises Louisiana a new bridge – if they re-elect him** This is apparently against their state anti-corruption statutes > **[Trump Promises Louisiana A Badly Needed Bridge, But Only If He Gets 4 More Years](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-promise-bridge-louisiana_n_5cdc8a32e4b0b4728ba2940d)** > > Trump’s offer to back a local project on condition of his reelection comes close to behavior prohibited by a federal corruption statute, experts say. > [@](#): > > HACKBERRY, La. ― President Donald Trump’s pledge to replace a critical but decrepit Interstate 10 bridge ― but only if he gets another four years in the White House, that is ― sounds like the kind of quid pro quo that a 1948 corruption statute was designed to stop, experts said. > > “It raises the specter of that,” said Virginia Canter, chief ethics counsel at the nonprofit Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington. “Is he promising that benefit as a reward for their support?” It was Just a Joke, he claims. Yeah. Right. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2019, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32547 "2019-05-16T16:37:02Z")
“Walmart Inc said on Thursday that prices for shoppers will go up due to higher tariffs on goods from China as the world’s largest retailer reported its best comparable sales growth for the first quarter in nine years.” > **[Walmart says higher China tariffs will increase prices for U.S. shoppers](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-walmart-results/walmart-says-higher-china-tariffs-will-increase-prices-for-us-shoppers-idUSKCN1SM15O)** > > Walmart Inc said on Thursday that prices for shoppers will rise due to higher tariffs on goods from China as the world's largest retailer reported its best comparable sales growth for the first quarter in nine years. Hey, waitaminute! Trump, Republican Hero, business genius, Wharton grad has assured us that this isn’t how tariffs work! ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2019, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32548 "2019-05-16T16:39:21Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > **Trump Promises Louisiana a new bridge – if they re-elect him** > > This is apparently against their state anti-corruption statutes > > [Trump Promises Louisiana A Badly Needed Bridge, But Only If He Gets 4 More Years | HuffPost Latest News](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-promise-bridge-louisiana_n_5cdc8a32e4b0b4728ba2940d) > > It was Just a Joke, he claims. > > Yeah. Right. Not sure how this is different from every election promise ever. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2019, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32549 "2019-05-16T16:43:31Z")
> [@Steve\_McQwark](#): > > Roe vs. Wade led to the creation of the Moral Majority and the Christian Right movement. Actually, desegregation did that. After that battle was lost, they glommed onto abortion and have death-gripped it since. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2019, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32550 "2019-05-16T18:11:52Z")
The Administration has awarded two contracts for $62 million for meat products to a Brazilian company whose owners are under investigation by the DOJ for corruption. They have admitted to bribing hundreds of officials in their own country. [Trump administration showers Brazilian crooks with $62M bailout money meant for struggling U.S. farmers – New York Daily News](https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-trump-administration-bailout-farmers-brazilian-criminals-20190516-6rdb3ithvfec7fttem7qrny54y-story.html)? ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2019, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32551 "2019-05-16T19:00:08Z")
Well SOMEONE is getting a slice of this under the table. There are lots of American farmers raising clean, sustainable, grass-fed beef and lamb (and non-factory pork) who could really use some of that cash. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2019, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32552 "2019-05-16T20:33:32Z")
Individual 1’s latest federal court nominee was approved by the Republicans in the Senate, with only Susan Collins voting no. She is the general counsel to the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of New Orleans and the wife of former Republican Senator David Vitter. She claims that Planned Parenthood kills over 150,000 females a year. She believes abortion causes cancer, and birth control leads to “violent death”. > **[Senate Confirms Judge Who Said Planned Parenthood ‘Kills Over 150,000 Females...](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/wendy-vitter-abortion-trump-judge_n_5cdd865fe4b0b4728ba48026)** > > All but one Republican voted to make Wendy Vitter a lifetime federal judge. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2019, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32553 "2019-05-16T21:30:25Z")
I was watching Trump’s Rose Garden address rolling out his immigration plan (and stifling my gag reflex)…tougher border controls, bigger walls, fewer asylum seekers, green cards only given on “merit” (based on skills and education). It seems to me that if his vision were to come to pass, all low-skilled jobs would be done by Americans, and all the doctors would be Chinese - probably not what he has in mind (I think he has a vision of the only immigrants coming in being the Swedish bikini team.) ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2019, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32554 "2019-05-16T22:24:28Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > The Administration has awarded two contracts for $62 million for meat products to a Brazilian company whose owners are under investigation by the DOJ for corruption. They have admitted to bribing hundreds of officials in their own country. > [https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-trump-administration-bailout-farmers-brazilian-criminals-20190516-6rdb3ithvfec7fttem7qrny54y-story.html](https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-trump-administration-bailout-farmers-brazilian-criminals-20190516-6rdb3ithvfec7fttem7qrny54y-story.html)? Then they obviously have the required skills to deal with this administration. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2019, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32555 "2019-05-16T22:49:07Z")
> [@Steve\_McQwark](#): > > I agree with most of the things you say I just disagree with your outlook. In the short view, conservatives are winning. In the longer view, equality is winning. As you say, women fought for their rights, gays fought for their rights, people of color fought for their rights, and because they are winning, society is winning. And yes, because there is pushback and because there is complacency, the fight continues. But the people who have gained those rights are not going to willingly give them up. And the longer they have those rights the more the centrists and even, eventually, the conservatives accept it as the status quo. …of course the people who gained those rights are not going to willingly give them up. That’s why I mentioned them. But do you know who isn’t going to fight as hard? The people who didn’t. 98% of black women who voted voted for Hillary. 62% of white men who voted voted for [Trump](https://www.people-press.org/2018/08/09/an-examination-of-the-2016-electorate-based-on-validated-voters/). 47% of white women. Do you understand what those figures mean? It means that the people who had the most to loose at the last election voted as if their lives depended on it. And those that didn’t have much to loose at all voted for Trump. I have no reason to think that at in 2020 that is going to change very much. If Trump looses at the next election it won’t be because the people that supported Trump are going to change their minds. It will be because the people that have been fighting since their forebears were bought to this country in chains will continue to fight. They won’t give up. But they are fucking tired. And they really need everybody else to step up. And that includes people like you who seem to think progressive ideals came about because they “trended” that way and not because of blood, sweat and tears. > [@](#): > > Let’s take gay marriage as an easy example. In the 70s gay marriage wouldn’t have even be considered practical enough to be used as a wacky plot point in a sitcom. By the 90s people were considering that civil unions might be okay for gays, but not marriage. Now, according to Pew Research, 61% of people approve of gay marriage. That doesn’t mean gay marriage is safe, but we’re not going to go back to the time when it was unthinkable. The window of normality is moving towards ever greater equality and that is a win. This story popped up [yesterday](https://www.thedailybeast.com/state-department-to-lgbt-married-couples-your-out-of-wedlock-kids-arent-citizens). The intent of the administration is pretty fucking crystal clear. And they have the power to do so and the support of millions of people. This “window of normality” isn’t something cast in stone. You are being \*\*complacent \*\* if you think that this “window” is simply a trend. It doesn’t matter if 61% of people approve of gay marriage if half of that 61% are indifferent about gay marriage were it to be taken away. > [@](#): > > Roe vs. Wade led to the creation of the Moral Majority and the Christian Right movement. The election of Barack Obama led to the growth of the Tea Party movement. Lets assume what you said is true. Do the Moral Majority and the Christian Right and the Tea Party still exist? Do they have power? They aren’t going anywhere. > [@](#): > > I think the Republican’s attacks on voting rights, immigrants and women’s freedom is causing an explosion of growth amongst the progressive groups. And centrists are fighting that growth. And that’s a big fucking problem. They should be embracing that growth: instead they want to shout them down. > [@](#): > > The fact that the Democrats took back the House last fall was not a big omen - the out-of-power party tends to make a surge in the non-presidential elections. What I do think was an omen was who was elected: women, people of color, gays, Muslims. But look at how Ilhan Omar has been treated by her **very own party**. They got elected, sure. But they literally have to fight their own party leadership to get their voices heard. > [@](#): > > Many were inspired to run because of the pushback on their rights. That is a win. They were inspired to run because the people that were running weren’t doing enough to protect them. They ran because the people who held power didn’t give a fuck about them. They ran because the American people elected the world’s stupidest man to the most powerful position in the world. Nobody would willingly throw themselves into the firing line like AOC or Omar have done. The harassment, the slander, the death threats. So no this wasn’t a fucking win. It was a fucking failure of the Democratic leadership and a failure of the American people. They stood up because they **had too** because nobody else was. They are fucking heroes and you are taking them for granted. > [@](#): > > Bad laws can be repealed. Executive orders can be overridden by new executives. But, you’re right - the courts are going to be a problem for a while. Trump’s international policies are going to be a problem for a while. Pain is nature’s way of saying don’t do that. The political and economic pain that the United States is feeling and will continue to feel, is the international community’s way of saying, don’t do that again. Bad laws are on the books now. People are suffering and dying now. You only feel pain if you are getting hurt. And the majority of Americans are not getting hurt. > [@](#): > > So, you’re right, complacency is a problem; we have to roll up our sleeves and continue to fight. But, as we’re rolling up our sleeves, **we should consider how far we’ve come and use that as motivation to say, yes we can do this**. Do you realize how condescending this sounds to a woman who lives in a state that has just instituted the new abortion laws? Or to a married gay couple who can’t get citizenship for their child? Or to the thousands of parents who have been separated from their children at the border? Or to the thousands of Americans who have to beg for money on crowdfunding websites in order to pay for their medical bills? You are just “rolling up your sleeves” **now**? Guess what: you’ve been fucking complacent. > [@Sarah Kendzior](#): > > But the moral loss cuts deeper. In every tragedy there is a before and an after, and we have been living in the after since Mr. Trump launched his campaign with threats against Mexicans and people rationalized it or laughed it off. His campaign should have ended when it began, but instead the media made his bigotry lucrative, with every revelation of his corruption, brutality and ignorance marketed as tabloid fodder, condoned by the Republican party and by much of the public. > > I warned that his behaviour resembled that of the dictators in authoritarian regimes that I have studied for over a decade. I wrote that the motto of dictatorship is, “It can’t happen here.” > **[A fascist’s win, America’s moral loss](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/a-fascists-win-americas-moral-loss/article32753320/)** > > The willful blindness to injustice is the real American exceptionalism. We deny our worst instincts. And now we may have elected them Published in late 2016. Things are much fucking worse now. People have been warning you. Pleading with you. Begging you to “roll your fucking sleeves up” a long time ago. If you want to live in an America where you get to “repeal the laws” and you get to have “new executives” then you need to recognize exactly where America is at at the moment. The Trump regime at the moment is literally ignoring congressional oversight. They are just saying no. It isn’t going to stop there. Trump firstly purged the White House of anyone who wasn’t loyal to him. Then there was a second round of purges to get rid of anyone who was loyal to him \*\*but \*\*would still uphold the constitution and the law. This third group of people don’t give a fuck. They are making decisions in secret with no oversight and we really don’t know the full extent of what the fuck they are doing. Jerry Nadler called it a constitutional [crisis](https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/08/politics/jerry-nadler-constitutional-crisis-cnntv/index.html) a week and a bit ago and he is absolutely right. But nobody really gives a fuck. It was a blip on the news cycle. Didn’t even prompt a new thread in GD. The abortion law changes didn’t even prompt a pit thread. Too busy patting yourselves on the back on “how far you’ve come” that you can’t see what is going on around you. Its people like you that can actually make a difference. But you need to get a handle on what is actually happening. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2019, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32556 "2019-05-16T22:59:07Z")
[Republican senators meet with Jared Kushner on immigration, conclude he’s clueless](https://www.salon.com/2019/05/16/after-meeting-with-jared-kushner-on-immigration-republicans-say-hes-clueless-on-the-issue/) _Kushner fails to impress GOP senators in private meeting on immigration plan: “He’s in his own little world”_ > [@](#): > > Republican senators came away unimpressed from an immigration meeting with Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner and privately questioned whether he even understood the issue, the Washington Post reports. > > … > > While senators publicly voiced support for the plan, Republicans privately expressed concern that Kushner was unable to provide “clear answers” to their questions despite a room with a “friendly audience,” the Post reported. > > As a result, Trump adviser Stephen Miller, a hardline immigration hawk, was reportedly forced to interrupt Kushner to take over the discussion at several points. > > … > > “I am concerned about the fate of the DACA young people, and they cannot be excluded from any immigration package,” she told the Post. > > Kushner told Collins that Trump had not asked him to address the issue and instead wanted to focus on issues that “bring people together.” > > Republicans left the meeting with “little hope” that the immigration plan would move forward and some senators “left the meeting wondering whether Kushner understood the issue,” several Republican officials told The Post. > > “He’s in his own little world,” an anonymous official told the outlet. “He didn’t give many details about what was in [his plan]. . . . And there were a number of instances where people had to step in and answer questions because he couldn’t.” The Trump admin is about “bringing people together”? Like white supremacists at rallies and brown people in cages? So bland Jared is the public face, but Miller is behind the scenes pulling the strings it looks like. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2019, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32557 "2019-05-16T23:51:06Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > So, the White House is asking all the people banned from Twitter, Facebook etc for extremist hate speech to contact them. I’ve done my bit to help see to it that this will work out about as well for them as their effort to have “victims of illegal alien crime” contact them: [Trump’s immigrant crime hotline trolled with calls about aliens and UFOs](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39731085) This one could be an even bigger fisaco – the “report” form has a provision for uploading an image (intended to be a screenshot of the nastygram from the jackbooted InstaFaceTube censors, but could be anything from a cat macro to goatse). ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2019, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32558 "2019-05-17T00:50:34Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Oh I appreciate it – understand that I laugh at myself a lot. 😃 > > But my subject matter is serious - deadly serious Fair enough. (But the bit about incontinence being enforced by the new overlords was pretty funny.) ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2019, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32559 "2019-05-17T01:08:01Z")
Trump’s pick for ICE director says he can tell which migrant children will become gang members by looking into their eyes. > [@](#): > > “I’ve been to detention facilities where I’ve walked up to these individuals that are so-called minors, 17 or under,” Morgan said on “Tucker Carlson Tonight” in January. “I’ve looked at them and I’ve looked at their eyes, Tucker — and I’ve said that is a soon-to-be MS-13 gang member. It’s unequivocal.” [https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/16/mark-morgan-eyes-ice-director-1449570](https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/16/mark-morgan-eyes-ice-director-1449570) ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2019, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32560 "2019-05-17T02:17:08Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > I was watching Trump’s Rose Garden address rolling out his immigration plan (and stifling my gag reflex)…tougher border controls, bigger walls, fewer asylum seekers, green cards only given on “merit” (based on skills and education). > > It seems to me that if his vision were to come to pass, all low-skilled jobs would be done by Americans, and all the doctors would be Chinese - probably not what he has in mind (I think he has a vision of the only immigrants coming in being the Swedish bikini team.) As my sister asked today on FB, had these proposed rules been in place the year before whatever year Victor and Amalija Knavs immigrated to the U.S. (it’s AMAZING how impossible it is to find out what year that was. Wonder what’s up with that?), where would they be living today? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2019, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32561 "2019-05-17T02:20:49Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Trump’s pick for ICE director says he can tell which migrant children will become gang members by looking into their eyes. > > [https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/16/mark-morgan-eyes-ice-director-1449570](https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/16/mark-morgan-eyes-ice-director-1449570) Someone apparently thinks that _Minority Report_,with the whole pre-crime thing, was a documentary. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_McQwark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4da419/32.png) [@Steve\_McQwark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_McQwark)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2019, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32562 "2019-05-17T03:16:32Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Do you realize how condescending this sounds to a woman who lives in a state that has just instituted the new abortion laws? Or to a married gay couple who can’t get citizenship for their child? Or to the thousands of parents who have been separated from their children at the border? Or to the thousands of Americans who have to beg for money on crowdfunding websites in order to pay for their medical bills? You are just “rolling up your sleeves” **now**? Guess what: you’ve been fucking complacent. No, I hadn’t realized. I was looking at it differently and missed it. But you are, of course, correct that it was condescending. I apologize for that. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2019, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32563 "2019-05-17T03:28:14Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > I was watching Trump’s Rose Garden address rolling out his immigration plan (and stifling my gag reflex)…tougher border controls, bigger walls, fewer asylum seekers, green cards only given on “merit” (based on skills and education). > > It seems to me that if his vision were to come to pass, all low-skilled jobs would be done by Americans, and all the doctors would be Chinese - probably not what he has in mind (I think he has a vision of the only immigrants coming in being the Swedish bikini team.) Only if the Swedish bikini team can speak English and can pass a civics test. That’s the rules in his new proposal. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2019, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32564 "2019-05-17T03:37:29Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Only if the Swedish bikini team **can speak English and can pass a civics test.** That’s the rules in his new proposal. Does that mean we can throw Trump out when this goes in effect? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1627) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1629)