# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1639
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32765 "2019-05-23T02:55:43Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > “Interesting: @KatieHill4CA, who’s in a frontline swing district just told me calls to her office have flipped from being 2 to 1 _against_ impeachment to being 3 or 4 to 1 _for_.” > > [https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1131353752437448704?s=19](https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1131353752437448704?s=19) > > Katie Hill is the Rep for CA25. The tide is turning, and rather quickly. I’ve mentioned this before I’m sure, but I’ll share it again: There are 2 websites I check every single day. First is 538’s Trump approval ratings. Those have recently entered a steady decline. Second is Steyer’s Need to Impeach. Activity there runs in fits and starts. In the past few days, that thing is ticking over like a gas station pump at $6.00/gallon. They’re heading toward 9 million. Did you also hear today that Valerie Plame is running for Congress in 2020 in northern New Mexico (not sure which district)? 🙂 She will do well. Lastly, I’m so glad to see the courts moving quickly on Trump’s continuing obstruction efforts. They are making it clear how ridiculous Trump’s “legal” arguments are. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32766 "2019-05-23T02:57:36Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > “Interesting: @KatieHill4CA, who’s in a frontline swing district just told me calls to her office have flipped from being 2 to 1 _against_ impeachment to being 3 or 4 to 1 _for_.” > > [https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1131353752437448704?s=19](https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1131353752437448704?s=19) > > Katie Hill is the Rep for CA25. In reddest Orange County. ---
**Author:** ![Shagunathor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@Shagunathor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagunathor)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32767 "2019-05-23T03:38:29Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > In reddest Orange County. CA25 is over the mountains N of LA, so Palmdale, Lancaster, etc. Voting record there swings back and forth. CA45 is Orange County. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32768 "2019-05-23T03:43:51Z")
I want to believe Pelosi is slow playing but play too slow and it’s all for naught. It’s not unlike Watergate. People and the Republican Congress were against impeachment. Until suddenly they weren’t (and even then, there were several who were against it through the bitter end). Whatever people say, the case is being built meticulously and solidly. If that’s too slow for the people who voted the Dems into control of the House, that’s bad on them. It’s a sign they’re not sufficiently intelligent or rational about things that actually matter. This isn’t sports. It’s also not “Mr Smith Goes to Washington”. Time isn’t going to be called with a clear winner decided. There’s not going to be a climactic denunciation with justice prevailing and credits rolling after all loose ends are tied up. It’s real life and real life is slow, sloppy, and rarely are all loose ends tied up in a bow. If a slow steady march rather than a quick, sharp snap is sufficient for people to lose enthusiasm in their newly elected House, our representative system of government is already DOA. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32769 "2019-05-23T04:03:41Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > The tide is turning, and rather quickly. I’ve mentioned this before I’m sure, but I’ll share it again: > > There are 2 websites I check every single day. First is 538’s Trump approval ratings. Those have recently entered a steady decline. Meh. Call me when it’s over 60% disapproval. I will not get excited until then. The Trumpsters will not abandon him, even when he kills a puppy with a hammer on live TV. And I’m pretty sure that’s coming soon. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32770 "2019-05-23T04:11:32Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Meh. > > Call me when it’s over 60% disapproval. I will not get excited until then. > > The Trumpsters will not abandon him, even when he kills a puppy with a hammer on live TV. And I’m pretty sure that’s coming soon. I hear ya, but his support is softening and I’m an incurable optimist. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32771 "2019-05-23T04:18:54Z")
Im sorry, everyone, but literally the dumbest argument/refutation one can make are those about his base not leaving him. Why is it dumb? Because the set of people who comprise his base is defined by whether they still believe in Dotard. Believe in him? You’re his base. Stop supporting him? You are no longer his base, so are now irrelevant to the discussion of whether he will lose support of his base, because if you _were_ his base, you wouldn’t have left him. So, by definition, his base can _never_ leave him. So why argue/base decisions on topics worried about his “base” and their levels of support? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32772 "2019-05-23T04:24:44Z")
Ted Lieu strikes again: > ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32773 "2019-05-23T04:40:47Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > There are 2 websites I check every single day. First is 538’s Trump approval ratings. Those have recently entered a steady decline. What “steady decline”? We’re talking about [this page](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?ex_cid=rrpromo), right? It’s been rock steady over the past year, fluctuating only between 40% and 43%. Right now it’s 41.1%. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32774 "2019-05-23T04:45:53Z")
> [@scr4](#): > > What “steady decline”? We’re talking about [this page](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?ex_cid=rrpromo), right? It’s been rock steady over the past year, fluctuating only between 40% and 43%. Right now it’s 41.1%. Yup. Hence the word, “recently.” Remains to be seen if the trend continues downward this time. I do think the Democrats’ victories in the courts, along with Trump’s more unhinged-than-usual antics, are having an effect. The crap he’s pulling with Iran is also scaring people. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32775 "2019-05-23T05:15:29Z")
I think people are getting more used to the idea of impeaching Chump. The “I” word is getting thrown around a lot more freely and confidently now. Just a matter of time. While I would love to see that asshat get impeached, I would not want the Democrats to waste their time. But maybe it will be like Nixon – as someone above said, the Republicans were against impeachment until they weren’t. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32776 "2019-05-23T05:24:28Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Ted Lieu strikes again: > > [https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1131384436879024129?s=19](https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1131384436879024129?s=19) I adore Ted Lieu. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 9:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32777 "2019-05-23T09:45:41Z")
I think New York’s legislature getting their hands on Donny’s state returns is potentially a big deal. Someone here said it earlier, and I agree: the federal and state returns aren’t congruent, but there’s almost surely a lot of overlap between them. People don’t scheme and scam their way out of paying federal taxes only to pay more in state taxes. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 9:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32778 "2019-05-23T09:50:44Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > The tide is turning, and rather quickly. I’ve mentioned this before I’m sure, but I’ll share it again: > > There are 2 websites I check every single day. First is 538’s Trump approval ratings. Those have recently entered a steady decline. Second is Steyer’s Need to Impeach. Activity there runs in fits and starts. In the past few days, that thing is ticking over like a gas station pump at $6.00/gallon. They’re heading toward 9 million. > > Did you also hear today that Valerie Plame is running for Congress in 2020 in northern New Mexico (not sure which district)? 🙂 She will do well. > > Lastly, I’m so glad to see the courts moving quickly on Trump’s continuing obstruction efforts. They are making it clear how ridiculous Trump’s “legal” arguments are. I’ve been assuming that the big needle mover that would eventually take Trump down would be a souring economy, and that may certainly turn out to be the case. But I also have to wonder what impact the recent wave of radical anti-abortion laws has had on Trump’s popularity as well. There’s almost certainly some connection in voters’ minds between Trump/Pence and these abortion laws. These states probably wouldn’t have been so emboldened had Trump and McConnell not jammed the SCOTUS with ultra-conservative picks, and now there’s the very real possibility of another one once RBG retires or dies. It’s probably why Trump immediately came out and said he wanted exceptions for rape/incest (conspicuously failed to include life of the mother or mother’s health). I think the right wing anti-abortion putsch is already beginning to have some consequences, independent of relatively good economy. Women are fired up. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32779 "2019-05-23T11:04:27Z")
And yet: [Americans feel good about economy and give Trump credit — CBS News poll](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/americans-feel-good-about-economy-and-give-trump-credit-cbs-news-poll/) _sigh_ ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32780 "2019-05-23T12:21:58Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Cut off the head, watch the body freak out. Not worried about that - it’ll at least no longer have a head. Except, as been pointed out by several commentators here and in the wild, Trump is not the disease but rather the symptom. Impeaching Trump is like cutting a weed – all too soon the root will sprout anew. I am sure there are plenty of elected officials out there who would be eager to demonstrate they can out-Trump Donny Two-scoops with ease. The weed need to be eradicated, root and stem. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_McQwark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4da419/32.png) [@Steve\_McQwark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_McQwark)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32781 "2019-05-23T12:24:42Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Meh. > > Call me when it’s over 60% disapproval. I will not get excited until then. > > The Trumpsters will not abandon him, even when he kills a puppy with a hammer on live TV. And I’m pretty sure that’s coming soon. Ah, but what if he was to shoot Randolph Scott on 5th Avenue. That would probably cost him the support of the people of the land, the common clay of the new West, you know… his base. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32782 "2019-05-23T12:26:08Z")
Uh-huh. And how are you going to do that? Start shooting people? Seriously, guy. Assholes always exist, so to argue that we can’t move against Top Asshole because there are Little Assholes still around makes no sense whatsoever unless you’re contemplating camps or murder. But… willing to learn! What is the plan to remove this support? I’m all ears! ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32783 "2019-05-23T12:31:06Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > …unless you’re contemplating camps or murder. I think asahi has explicitly mentioned camps for Trump supporters. I don’t DesertDog has written anything like that. Many of us hold out hope that a sizable minority of the deplorables might someday soon see the light and repent of the serious mistake they made in voting for the dotard. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32784 "2019-05-23T12:42:04Z")
Stop holding out hope and start taking action. Call your Sen/Reps and demand impeachment. Don’t worry about the assholes - if they don’t have an asshole to vote for, they won’t vote. Again, history: If Nixon was so goddamned popular… as his 62% of the vote in 1972 indicated… then why did Ford lose in 1976? Shouldn’t Nixon’s “base” have been all fired up, ready to take back the WH? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1638) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1640)