# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1641
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32805 "2019-05-23T18:30:15Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Trump calls for massive gun control, and making abortions freely available and funded by the federal government. Following this, Trump defects to Russia, and tweets that his supporters are a bunch of spineless pussies and he suckered them. > > Then his support would go down to about 25%. > > - Some folks would know nothing about this news, because they are isolated idiots, who have limited connection with reality > > - Some folks would blame Obama/Hillary/Democrats > > - Some folks would call it a “smart business move” for Trump to go to Russia > > - Some folks would say Trump is “playing 5 dimensional chess, and we’ll soon see his brilliant plan”. > [@Procrustus](#): > > I agree with this. And you can add the old favorite , “Hillary would have been worse.” I need a drink. Fortunately, I’m just leaving to go get my hair done. A little while ago, my hairdresser texted, “What kind of wine do you like?” Should be a good afternoon. Carry on the good fight. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32806 "2019-05-23T18:52:57Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Okay, I’ll rephrase: what would it take to make his approval rating drop to 20 percent? The survey expanding to include Canada and western Europe. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32807 "2019-05-23T18:54:15Z")
I enjoyed this article. Would have enjoyed it more if the stakes weren’t so high, but still: [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/trump-seems-to-be-transparently-mad/ar-AABL3gu](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/trump-seems-to-be-transparently-mad/ar-AABL3gu) “I don’t do cover-ups,” announced the man who paid hush money to a porn star… Ha! It is so funny, I’m sad ☹ ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32808 "2019-05-23T18:55:08Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Okay, the question I’m asking is, “What, if anything, could come to light about thump that would REDUCE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE CONSIDERED TO BE _HIS BASE_?” or “What, if anything, could come to light about thump that would bring his approval rating down to, say, 10 percent?” > > **JohnT** , you know I love you, but you’re being a teensy bit pedantic about the definition/usage of “base.” Consider this virtually crossposted to the other relevant thread where you crossposted. 🙂 > > ETA: I don’t know who is saying this, but it’s not me. We don’t need to wait for anything. Asahi is saying it, literally upthread. He’s not the only one. I get that harping on this definition is a bit pedantic - you are quite right about that, **ThelmaLou** , but the beginnings of knowledge is the definition of terms… and so far, as his “base”, the following definitions have been used: 1. All who voted for him. 2. Those who currently support him. 3. Those who will never leave him. If ones definition is #3, then discussions as to when his base is going to break away can be answered in one post: Never. It’s literally the definition of his “base”. If ones definition is #2, then discussions as to when his base, as set _today_, is going to break away becomes far more nuanced - “What, after all this shit, will it take to convince even more people to break away.” That’s an interesting question, and the usual answer is economic calamities, followed by the death by a thousand cuts theory. If ones definition is #1, well, hope this helps: [https://morningconsult.com/tracking-trump/](https://morningconsult.com/tracking-trump/) I subscribe to definition 3, that his base are those people who will never leave him. Even Hitler had supporters on May 3rd, 1945, millions of them. And since we already know the “base” is going to vote for Dotard, why the hell do we care what they’ll do if he is impeached or not? Regardless, let me make my point clear: **Ignore the goddamned “base” and do what is right: To be honorable, one does not need the consent of those with no honor.** ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32809 "2019-05-23T19:02:36Z")
> [@naita](#): > > But what about active Tweeters and forum posters! Why don’t our opinions outweigh the clueless majorities? 😉 Maybe because their votes outnumber our votes? ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32810 "2019-05-23T19:13:30Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > I enjoyed this article. Would have enjoyed it more if the stakes weren’t so high, but still: > [MSN](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/trump-seems-to-be-transparently-mad/ar-AABL3gu) > > “I don’t do cover-ups,” announced the man who paid hush money to a porn star… Ha! It is so funny, I’m sad ☹ Quote from the linked article: > [@](#): > > People often describe him as “unraveling,” but that implies he was once fully knitted. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32811 "2019-05-23T19:21:13Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > I enjoyed this article. Would have enjoyed it more if the stakes weren’t so high, but still: > [MSN](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/trump-seems-to-be-transparently-mad/ar-AABL3gu) > > “I don’t do cover-ups,” announced the man who paid hush money to a porn star… Ha! It is so funny, I’m sad ☹ “What changed, apparently, is the president’s state of mind. People often describe him as “unraveling,” but that implies he was once fully knitted.” 😃 Didn’t see Cal’s post, but I think it’s worth repeating. ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32812 "2019-05-23T19:23:44Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Maybe because their votes outnumber our votes? No! Really? But they aren’t on twitter! 😕 (Emojii used sarcastically this time.) ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32813 "2019-05-23T19:46:22Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > Except, as been pointed out by several commentators here and in the wild, Trump is not the disease but rather the symptom. Impeaching Trump is like cutting a weed – all too soon the root will sprout anew. I am sure there are plenty of elected officials out there who would be eager to demonstrate they can out-Trump Donny Two-scoops with ease. > > The weed need to be eradicated, root and stem. Impeaching Trump will serve as a warning for future weeds. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32814 "2019-05-23T19:53:11Z")
[Trump unveils $16 billion in farm aid to offset trade war losses](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/trump-unveils-dollar16-billion-in-farm-aid-to-offset-trade-war-losses/ar-AABNwF2) > [@](#): > > The Trump administration Thursday unveiled a $16 billion farm aid package to offset losses from a 10-month trade war with China and said payment rates to farmers would be determined by where they farm rather than what crops they grow. Admittedly, I am no economist. But 16 billion to offset losses means the trade war is NOT going as he planned, right? ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32815 "2019-05-23T19:57:59Z")
> [@](#): > > The Trump administration Thursday unveiled a $16 billion farm aid package to offset losses from a 10-month trade war with China and said payment rates to farmers would be determined by where they farm rather than what crops they grow. I suspect that if you’re a soybean farmer in a blue state you’re SOL. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32816 "2019-05-23T20:00:26Z")
> [@Red\_Wiggler](#): > > I keep hearing the fear that impeaching Forrest will rally support to him. Where could we go to find such a person – one who wasn’t planning to vote for him but will do otherwise if Donald is impeached? I’d like to hear the thought processes of that person. The Senate found him innocent. He was exonerated. The evil Democrats wasted our time and money persecuting an innocent man. They tried to ruin his good reputation, but the right-thinking Republicans saw through their scam and set things right. Those Democrats who chased the wild goose have been chastened and should bow down and submit to the great one. (Note that there have been two impeachments in the nation’s history: both of them were laid upon members of the Democratic Party – though, Johnson’s party was rather a different set of critters.) ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32817 "2019-05-23T20:00:52Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > [Trump unveils $16 billion in farm aid to offset trade war losses](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/trump-unveils-dollar16-billion-in-farm-aid-to-offset-trade-war-losses/ar-AABNwF2) > Admittedly, I am no economist. But 16 billion to offset losses means the trade war is NOT going as he planned, right? But it’s hurting China more, so that means we are winning! ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32818 "2019-05-23T20:08:36Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > [Trump unveils $16 billion in farm aid to offset trade war losses](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/trump-unveils-dollar16-billion-in-farm-aid-to-offset-trade-war-losses/ar-AABNwF2) > Admittedly, I am no economist. But 16 billion to offset losses means the trade war is NOT going as he planned, right? I remember when this whole thing started. Trump told farmers: “Just be patient. The profits will come rolling in”. Lol. Yeah right. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32819 "2019-05-23T20:20:41Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > [Trump unveils $16 billion in farm aid to offset trade war losses](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/trump-unveils-dollar16-billion-in-farm-aid-to-offset-trade-war-losses/ar-AABNwF2) > > Admittedly, I am no economist. But 16 billion to offset losses means the trade war is NOT going as he planned, right? Why doesn’t he just spread around all of the Trump Tariff Money that we’ve been raking in? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32820 "2019-05-23T20:20:49Z")
This latest press conference is _insane_. I think Trump has called on no fewer than 6 people to testify how calm he was yesterday, including Larry Kudlow and Sarah Fuckabee Slanders, and it’s still going on. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32821 "2019-05-23T20:25:02Z")
[New thread](https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1131605784742256640) from Justin Amash. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32822 "2019-05-23T20:27:34Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > This latest press conference is _insane_. I think Trump has called on no fewer than 6 people to testify how calm he was yesterday, including Larry Kudlow and Sarah Fuckabee Slanders, and it’s still going on. \*\*I did not throw a TANTRUM!! I did not throw a TANTRUM!! I did not throw a TANTRUM!! I did not throw a TANTRUM!! \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32823 "2019-05-23T20:28:42Z")
[Trump Says House Speaker Pelosi Has “Lost It”](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-congress-pelosi-talks/trump-says-house-speaker-pelosi-has-lost-it-idUSKCN1ST2LP?il=0) (Reuters) > [@](#): > > “I tell you what, I’ve been watching her and I have been watching her for a long period of time. She’s not the same person. She’s lost it,” Trump said during remarks about an aid package for farmers hit by the trade war with China. “No, _you’re_ the puppet!!” His tactics are so predictable. And pathetic. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32824 "2019-05-23T20:44:54Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > His tactics are so predictable. And pathetic. If only that was what he meant when he claimed he was ‘the most transparent president ever’. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1640) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1642)