# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1643
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32845 "2019-05-24T00:02:33Z")
> [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > I said earlier in the thread that one day Trump was going to have a complete meltdown in public. Today was pretty bizarre but it’s only going to get crazier and more pathetic. He’ll be shouting insults soon instead of just tweeting them. Or worse. Think of who’s there in the Oval Office to stop him from calling for the nuclear football: toady Mick Mulvaney, lunatic toady Stephen Miller, and Trump’s idiot children. I have to hope the FBI has the OO bugged, and will call for help if Trump decides to destroy the world. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32846 "2019-05-24T00:10:26Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > So fucking what? What are they going to do? March across my yard carrying backyard tiki torches? Fuck those idiots. They might find out the hard way different places you can fit a tiki torch without extinguishing it. That was a spectacular visual. Thank you! ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32847 "2019-05-24T00:11:20Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > So fucking what? What are they going to do? March across my yard carrying backyard tiki torches? Fuck those idiots. They might find out the hard way different places you can fit a tiki torch without extinguishing it. So fucking what? How about his kind have been more successful at winning elections over the past 20 years than your kind. Got it? Good. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32848 "2019-05-24T00:12:52Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > David Jolly put it very succinctly (paraphrasing): Trump wants the political fight. He’s terrified of the legal fight. That’s why Pelosi is trying to keep things in the legal realm for as long as she can. Exactly. Trump wants impeachment because it’s his best bet to save himself from legal jeopardy. He wants to stay in the realm of the political, but beyond that, he wants to use democracy to destroy democracy. I don’t know how much clearer this can be. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32849 "2019-05-24T00:19:20Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > So fucking what? How about his kind have been more successful at winning elections over the past 20 years than your kind. Got it? Good. Oh yeah, they kicked Obama’s ass real good, didn’t they? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32850 "2019-05-24T00:52:11Z")
#Cowardice2020 ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32851 "2019-05-24T00:58:01Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > David Jolly put it very succinctly (paraphrasing): Trump wants the political fight. He’s terrified of the legal fight. That’s why Pelosi is trying to keep things in the legal realm for as long as she can. And why, unlike DJT, she’s a grown-up possessing self-control, and won’t take bait that is shamelessly thrown at her. I’m lookin’ at you, Kellyanne, you _rank_ (in every sense) amateur. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32852 "2019-05-24T01:06:52Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Oh yeah, they kicked Obama’s ass real good, didn’t they? Right, he got elected, got a stimulus and watered-down healthcare reform, and lost more and more control of congress. We got obstructionism, McConnell, a SCOTUS minority, and worst of all, Trump and a GOP congress. In spite of the fact that the GOP lied its ass off to get wars we couldn’t afford, tax cuts to make sure that the people who wanted the wars don’t pay for them and those who fight them do, tax cuts and bailouts to make sure that those who ruined our economy don’t pay for it but those who lost their jobs do. Bruh, that was a weak, limp-dick, unreal comeback and you know it. What I’m telling you is that it’s the idiots who’ve been voting for stupid shit who need their noses rubbed in it. An impeachment before the right time will just convince these idiots - and they are idiots - that they’ve been cheated by the libs. You need to let the mother fuckers swallow their own goddamn medicine. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32853 "2019-05-24T01:08:17Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > #Cowardice2020 You and Sad Lender are just mad at me because you know I’m right. And you don’t have the humility to admit it. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32854 "2019-05-24T01:54:27Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > So fucking what? How about his kind have been more successful at winning elections over the past 20 years than your kind. Got it? Good. It’s actually been 50 years since Dems were elected back to back so I’d say that this country prefers republicans for the last half century. 20 years is a weirdly short window. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32855 "2019-05-24T02:02:10Z")
I, for one, was totally reassured about Trump’s sanity once he forced a parade of aides to talk about how sane he is. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32856 "2019-05-24T02:25:37Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > It’s actually been 50 years since Dems were elected back to back so I’d say that this country prefers republicans for the last half century. 20 years is a weirdly short window. Ah, but have the results of those elections been reflective of what the country wants/wanted? Gerrymandering, obstacles to voter registration AND voting, cutting back on the number of polling places in minority-heavy counties, absentee ballots thrown away and not counted-- and with all of these obstacles, Hillary won the popular vote in the last election. Even Mitch McConnell admitted that when voting is unobstructed and lots of people vote, it’s bad for Republicans. Cite: > [@Stupid Republican idea of the day](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/40616): > > [**The prospect of easier and fairer voting terrifies Republicans**](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/03/08/republicans-terrified-prospect-voting-becoming-easier-more-fair/?utm_term=.fc7be0cea96a) My bold. > > > [@](#): > > > > Today the House of Representatives passed H.R. 1, the Democrats’ political reform bill, and though Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) will never allow it to be considered in the Senate, it’s still an important statement of what Democrats believe in and what they intend to do if and when they gain control of Congress and the White House, say after next year’s elections. > > > > The bill contains a lot of different provisions, but I want to zero in on one set: those concerning voting. > > > > Again and again, McConnell has asserted that this bill is nothing more than an attempt to alter the system so more Democrats can get elected. As he wrote in The Post, “Their proposal is simply a naked attempt to change the rules of American politics to benefit one party. It should be called the Democrat Politician Protection Act.” > > > > I’m not sure if McConnell understands what a startling admission that is on his part. > > > > **Because what McConnell is saying is that if our voting system were more efficient, more open and more fair, then the inevitable result would be fewer Republicans winning elections. In other words, Republican success depends on the system working in ways that restrict access to the ballot.** > > … ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32857 "2019-05-24T02:37:41Z")
Individual 1 retweeted a faked video of Nancy Pelosi allegedly stammering through a press conference. Mindy Fisher posted it on Facebook as an example of how horrible Individual 1 is, and Facebook took it down. But it’s still there on Individual 1’s Twitter page. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32858 "2019-05-24T02:40:10Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Ah, but have the results of those elections been reflective of what the country wants/wanted? Gerrymandering, obstacles to voter registration AND voting, cutting back on the number of polling places in minority-heavy counties, absentee ballots thrown away and not counted-- and with all of these obstacles, Hillary won the popular vote in the last election. Even Mitch McConnell admitted that when voting is unobstructed and lots of people vote, it’s bad for Republicans. > > Cite: He totally understands the admission – he and other republicans defend by saying that unqualified and undeserving people shouldn’t vote. The question to ask is, who is “unqualified” and “undeserving”? Well, in their minds, minorities, women, working class people. This isn’t even a secret. Republicans are aristocrats, oligarchs, plutocrats, kleptocrats, religious ideologues. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32859 "2019-05-24T02:41:26Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Individual 1 retweeted a faked video of Nancy Pelosi allegedly stammering through a press conference. Mindy Fisher posted it on Facebook as an example of how horrible Individual 1 is, and Facebook took it down. But it’s still there on Individual 1’s Twitter page. It would be pretty easy to do the same in return. Not worried. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32860 "2019-05-24T02:43:25Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > I, for one, was totally reassured about Trump’s sanity once he forced a parade of aides to talk about how sane he is. Vlad, Vlad! Nancy is being mean to me! What should I do? Trump is going to be used as a textbook example in many disciplines: history, political science, finance, criminal justice, and clinical psychology. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32861 "2019-05-24T02:44:41Z")
[https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-walks-out-infrastructure-meeting-cant-do-under-these-circumstances](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-walks-out-infrastructure-meeting-cant-do-under-these-circumstances) > [@](#): > > “I’ve said from the beginning that you probably can’t go down two tracks: You can go down the investigation track [or] you can go down the investment track, or the track of let’s get things done for the American people,” Trump said Wednesday So Trump himself makes it official, he is declaring that he can’t chew gum and walk at the same time, Bill Clinton and many other presidents in the past still managed to govern while being investigated. A one track mind and incompetent too. [sub]Also, that he is telling everyone that the kitchen is too hot for him.[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32862 "2019-05-24T03:00:20Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > [Trump: ‘Can’t Do’ Infrastructure Meeting ‘Under These Circumstances’](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-walks-out-infrastructure-meeting-cant-do-under-these-circumstances) > > So Trump himself makes it official, he is declaring that he can’t chew gum and walk at the same time, Bill Clinton and many other presidents in the past still managed to govern while being investigated. > > A one track mind and incompetent too. > > [sub]Also, that he is telling everyone that the kitchen is too hot for him.[/sub] Trump also just ordered the intelligence community to cooperate with Barr’s “investigate the investigators” investigation. So that investigation can be ramped up and Trump’ll almost certainly be directly be involved with that in the future. In fact, I’m sure Trump will be much more consumed with this than he is in doing his actual job. One of the TV talking heads speculated that since Barr has been at this for a while, the intelligence community must have been saying “No” to whatever Barr wants and so Barr went running to Trump to tell them to give him what he wants. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32863 "2019-05-24T04:19:50Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Think of who’s there in the Oval Office to stop him from calling for the nuclear football: toady Mick Mulvaney, lunatic toady Stephen Miller, and Trump’s idiot children. It’s totally undemocratic, but I’m praying the powers that be in the military will choose to mishear or creatively ‘interpret’ any orders to launch nukes. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2019, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/32864 "2019-05-24T05:19:34Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > It’s totally undemocratic, but I’m praying the powers that be in the military will choose to mishear or creatively ‘interpret’ any orders to launch nukes. In my experience, general and flag officers are a bit more aware of current events than Joe Average. Also, the general and flag officers are well aware that it is an offense to follow an unlawful order. Part of their responsibility when receiving such an order is to determine its validity and legality. Sending weapons of mass destruction because you’re offended that the Speaker of the House called you out correctly for your misbehavior certainly should not pass that test. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1642) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1644)