# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1667
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2019, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/33325 "2019-06-05T01:21:02Z")
> [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > I’ve not seen anything about what Donny gave to Her Maj, if anything. Actually all that Tiffany brooch/flight jacket/James Doolittle’s autobiography stuff was just fake newsy shenanigans. The prez actually bequeathed upon QEII the finest in absorbent, softest paper towelage that unfortunately she wasn’t quick enough to catch when a roll was chucked at her. Great motorcade photo. Love to have heard his observations while driving down the basically empty streets. > [@asahi](#): > > Mexico wouldn’t just hit Texas; they would hit other states, including Michigan. Currently, Mexico is our largest trading partner, moving ahead of China (thanks to tariffs). Isn’t Canada a bigger trade partner? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2019, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/33326 "2019-06-05T01:27:22Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Isn’t Canada a bigger trade partner? For all I know they could be - I know they’re up there. I was going off of an article I read recently. [https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenroberts/2019/04/26/mexico-is-now-top-u-s-trade-partner-ahead-of-china-canada/#4acf3ccb49fb](https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenroberts/2019/04/26/mexico-is-now-top-u-s-trade-partner-ahead-of-china-canada/#4acf3ccb49fb) ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2019, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/33327 "2019-06-05T01:46:47Z")
Yay! Despite the White House grousing “don’t do it!”, Hope Hicks is actually stepping up to the plate and will be [handing over campaign documents to Congress.](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-congress/ex-trump-aide-hicks-agrees-to-hand-over-campaign-documents-to-congress-idUSKCN1T522Y) How nasty of her to flout executive privilege! Nasty woman. More testes than McGahn has, I guess. ETA: Heh - Manafort soon to get transferred to Rikers. Unfortunately, though, [in isolation](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/04/nyregion/manafort-rikers-island-solitary-confinement.html). ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2019, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/33328 "2019-06-05T02:05:19Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Dershowitz is an asshole. A dangerous asshole. I wouldn’t necessarily say that. He’s just a self promoter with no intrinsic morals. Dershowitz’s problem is that he wrote a book called “The case against impeaching Hillary Clinton” back in 2016. Which under the circumstances made a lot of sense. The inevitable impeachment of Clinton that would have started February 2017, would have been unfounded and clearly not what was intended by the constitution. Unfortunately Trump won making the whole book irrelevant. So to salvage the situation he changed the picture on cover and did a find and replace of Trump for Clinton throughout the text. Now to keep up book sales he’s stuck defending the indefensible. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2019, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/33329 "2019-06-05T02:10:05Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > The tariff is getting _horrible_ press coverage here in Texas, which, I’m sure, plays no small part in the GOP action. I haven’t heard a single person come to the defense of Mexican tariffs who doesn’t work in the executive branch. This is as close to an easy call for McConnell as it gets - literally the only person who’ll be pissed off is Trump, and I don’t think McConnell cares too much what he thinks. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2019, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/33330 "2019-06-05T02:18:13Z")
McConnell has all the leverage right now; Trump is just an empty windbag shouting “tariffs!” ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2019, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/33331 "2019-06-05T02:21:53Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > … > ETA: Heh - Manafort soon to get transferred to Rikers. Unfortunately, though, [in isolation](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/04/nyregion/manafort-rikers-island-solitary-confinement.html). More on that: “Paul Manafort to Be Sent to Rikers, Where He Will Be Held in Isolation” [https://nyti.ms/2WeyvE7](https://nyti.ms/2WeyvE7) > [@](#): > > Paul J. Manafort, President Trump’s former campaign chairman who is serving a federal prison sentence, is expected to be transferred within the next few weeks to the Rikers Island jail complex in New York City, where he will most likely be held in isolation while facing state fraud charges, people with knowledge of the matter said. > … > > The move to one of the most notorious urban jails in the country would mark a notable fall for Mr. Manafort, who once moved in elite circles and commanded lucrative fees for political consulting work in Ukraine. > > He once wore ultraluxury clothes, including a $33,000 blue lizard jacket, an $18,000 suede coat and $12,000 suits, but will likely will trade in his federal prison garb for a drab khaki shirt and trousers at Rikers. > > It is unclear precisely how long Mr. Manafort would be held at Rikers, although he is expected to await his trial in New York. > … ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2019, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/33332 "2019-06-05T02:23:47Z")
The problem that Cocaine Mitch and his party have created for themselves is that they have sided with Trump’s Mexico and Mexican bashing. They might understand that it’s dangerous for Trump to follow through with his tariff threat, but many of his followers who are addicted to conservative media may not. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2019, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/33333 "2019-06-05T02:24:42Z")
> [@](#): > > …He once wore ultraluxury clothes, including a $33,000 blue lizard jacket, an $18,000 suede coat and $12,000 suits, but will likely will trade in his federal prison garb for a drab khaki shirt and trousers at Rikers… Where the wine list is atrocious, and the chef has yet to make a decent white sauce. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2019, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/33334 "2019-06-05T02:25:40Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Mexico wouldn’t just hit Texas; they would hit other states, including Michigan. Currently, Mexico is our largest trading partner, moving ahead of China (thanks to tariffs). Does “our” refer to the US or Michigan? ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2019, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/33335 "2019-06-05T02:43:43Z")
Just a random thought: In my fantasy cast for the inevitable movie- Peter Lorre as George Nader (yes I know he’s dead; that’s why it’s a fantasy cast). And the thought that comforts me is imagining Trump’s life after he inevitably leaves office, even if he gets a second term. Sure he’ll get a deal for a (ghostwritten) book and a library but I don’t think he really cares about those. What will make him crazy is that nobody is going to want to do business with him, but even worse, nobody will be talking about him. He won’t be on the news because let’s be honest, even Fox will have no use for him once he has no power. He’s not going to be seen as some elder statesman and people won’t be lining up to pay him for speeches. He will go from the most talked about person in the world to a virtual nonentity and the drop will be massive. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2019, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/33336 "2019-06-05T03:01:26Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [Here’s some news, analysis and opinion about Jared Kushner](https://www.lawfareblog.com/jared-call-fbi):Incompetent or traitorous? They report; you decide. “Jared Kushner, a senior advisor in the White House (and, coincidentally, the president’s son-in-law)” Using this definition: “the occurrence of events that happen at the same time by accident but seem to have some connection”, I don’t think that’s a coincidence. Although, Kushner’s just as incompetent as other senior officials and Cabinet members like Carson, Davos, Perry,.., so maybe he would have been hired anyway. > [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Yay! Despite the White House grousing “don’t do it!”, Hope Hicks is actually stepping up to the plate and will be [handing over campaign documents to Congress.](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-congress/ex-trump-aide-hicks-agrees-to-hand-over-campaign-documents-to-congress-idUSKCN1T522Y) > How nasty of her to flout executive privilege! Nasty woman. > More testes than McGahn has, I guess. I was under the impression that campaign documents wouldn’t be covered by executive privilege because Trump wasn’t the executive yet. But I may be off on this. One talking head on cable was wondering why an ex-employee like Hope Hicks would still possess official White House documents (which could fall under privilege) in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2019, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/33337 "2019-06-05T03:33:38Z")
> [@psychobunny](#): > > Just a random thought: > > In my fantasy cast for the inevitable movie- Peter Lorre as George Nader (yes I know he’s dead; that’s why it’s a fantasy cast). Nah, Nadler would be better served by Robert Blake or Morey Amsterdam. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2019, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/33338 "2019-06-05T03:39:19Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Nah, Nadler would be better served by Robert Blake or Morey Amsterdam. [George Nader](https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/03/key-mueller-probe-witness-george-nader-arrested-on-child-porn-charge.html), not [Jerry Nadler](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Nadler). ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2019, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/33339 "2019-06-05T03:54:05Z")
:smack: Ok - change that to Jonah Hill or Boris Epshteyn. ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2019, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/33340 "2019-06-05T05:56:24Z")
I stick with Lorre. Who else could do justice to a creepy serial child pornographer and molester who will sell out the US to the highest paying country, then flip and sell out everyone he knows at the first whiff of danger? This guy has to be one of the worst in this entire CF. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2019, 9:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/33341 "2019-06-05T09:31:22Z")
I have no idea which thread it goes in. The latest from POTUS on climate change, from an interview with Piers Morgan:: > [@](#): > > “I believe that there’s a change in weather, and I think it changes both ways,” What a strange little man he is. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2019, 10:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/33342 "2019-06-05T10:01:08Z")
It’s the 'good people on both sides" bullshit rewrapped for another situation. The dumbfuck knows just a little about greenhouse gas. Just enough to think of the atmosphere. And when discussing climate change, he talks about the atmosphere. Because like his supporters, he is a fucking clown. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2019, 10:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/33343 "2019-06-05T10:52:22Z")
> [@psychobunny](#): > > …And the thought that comforts me is imagining Trump’s life after he inevitably leaves office, even if he gets a second term. Sure he’ll get a deal for a (ghostwritten) book and a library but I don’t think he really cares about those. … A while back, I mentioned my idea for the library. Cheap and simple, and demonstrates all the respect that should be shown to this former president’s _oeuvre_. All of thump’s tweets, documents, blahblahblah, will go on a flash drive that will be put in an empty Altoids tin, sealed with duck tape, and locked in the janitor’s closet at Trump Tower. > [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > I have no idea which thread it goes in. The latest from POTUS on climate change, from an interview with Piers Morgan: > > > [@](#): > > > > “I believe that there’s a change in weather, and I think it changes both ways,” > > What a strange little man he is. The weather changes both ways?? What the hell does that even MEAN? :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2019, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/33344 "2019-06-05T10:58:04Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > I have no idea which thread it goes in. The latest from POTUS on climate change, from an interview with Piers Morgan:: > > > [@](#): > > > > “I believe that there’s a change in weather, and I think it changes both ways,” > > What a strange little man he is. Note to the next head of state meeting Trump: a weather station. But not one of those newfangled ones, with digital that not even Einstein would understand: [go traditional](https://www.tiempo.com/ram/1596/instrumentos-meteorolgicos/). (As of when I linked it: traditional hygrometer where the friar’s arm points to a different word depending on relative humidity; the same, but depending on the humidity you get different figures outside the house; to see what the weather is like, check the donkey’s tail; a figure painted with cobalt salts which again acts as a hygrometer). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1666) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1668)