# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 167
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2017, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3321 "2017-04-13T20:37:09Z")
The timing screams out that during the discussions on how to bomb [del]Iraq[/del] Syria, he selected Tomahawks a la carte off the Pentagon appetizer menu, but saw for the first time “MOAB” in the entrée section and just _had_ to taste it. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2017, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3322 "2017-04-13T20:41:52Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > The timing screams out that during the discussions on how to bomb [del]Iraq[/del] Syria, he selected Tomahawks a la carte off the Pentagon appetizer menu, but saw for the first time “MOAB” in the entrée section and just _had_ to taste it. Just hope he avoids anything on the menu listed at “Market Price.” ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2017, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3323 "2017-04-13T21:22:07Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Just hope he avoids anything on the menu listed at “Market Price.” What? Do you think that he’ll start dropping payloads of Mar-a-lago’s spoiled seafood? Seriously though, that interview about the missiles and cake chilled my blood. This fucker can’t get impeached fast enough. ---
**Author:** ![Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malleus_incus_stapes/32/3293_2.png) [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malleus_Incus_Stapes)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2017, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3324 "2017-04-13T22:06:07Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > The timing screams out that during the discussions on how to bomb [del]Iraq[/del] Syria, he selected Tomahawks a la carte off the Pentagon appetizer menu, but saw for the first time “MOAB” in the entrée section and just _had_ to taste it. [If he thinks MOABs are scary, wait till he sees a BFB or a ZOMG.](http://bloons.wikia.com/wiki/M.O.A.B._Class_Bloon) ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2017, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3325 "2017-04-13T22:13:15Z")
I remember when we hated Nixon with the hot heat of a million O-class supergiants. I kind of miss that asshole. At least he was a conservative (meaning, way to the fucking left of where these Republiopath bog-splats are). ---
**Author:** ![SloppyJoes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7cd45c/32.png) [@SloppyJoes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SloppyJoes)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2017, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3326 "2017-04-13T22:21:05Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Remember when the right was warning us against Hillary? She’s a hawk! She’ll get us into a war! America first! America first! > > Then this shit. Fifty-nine Cruise missiles, the Mother of all Bombs (which you fucking well know as well as I he chose as an option because of the name) on top of mistakenly killing eighteen US backed fighters in Syria. Oh yeah. Good thing we didn’t elect Hillary. Fuck, the world probably would have blown up by now. > > Nice job rubes. 1.) The M.O.A.B. was brought to Afghanistan as a potential weapon some time ago. It [was the commanding general in Afghanistan, John Nicholson, who ultimately decided to use it, dubbing it the “right munition” to maintain the offensive against ISIS.](http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/04/13/us-drops-largest-non-nuclear-bomb-in-afghanistan-after-green-beret-killed.html) My guess is the guy knows what he’s talking about. 2.) The Tomahawk missiles against the Assad regime’s airfield was a justified, proportionate response to Assad’s decision to gas his people with impunity, resulting in 80+ deaths including women and children. This doesn’t mean Trump will seek a war with the Assad regime with military boots on the ground; the focus is still on ISIS, but Trump will use military force against the Assad regime when the situation calls for it. Rex Tillerson recently [affirmed](http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/rex-tillerson-syria-isis-237032) this, saying that defeating ISIS is still the Number One priority. This isn’t a deviation from Trump’s “America First” rhetoric at all. 3.) The 18 Kurdish-Arab coalition allies in Syria who perished as a result of the military dropping an airstrike on it that was meant for ISIS fighters is tragic. But it was actually [their own fault](https://www.wsj.com/articles/coalition-strike-mistakenly-kills-18-syrian-democratic-fighters-1492096634), as they gave the military the wrong coordinates for the target. It was definitely not the result of incompetent by the U.S. military, or by Trump. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2017, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3327 "2017-04-13T22:31:02Z")
I see we still have Trumpologists… ---
**Author:** ![SloppyJoes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7cd45c/32.png) [@SloppyJoes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SloppyJoes)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2017, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3328 "2017-04-13T22:39:09Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > I see we still have Trumpologists… Ah, changing the subject, I see. You didn’t address any of the points I raised, presumably because you know you have nothing substantive to say that would refute them, and resorted to an ad hominem attack. Pity. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2017, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3329 "2017-04-13T22:47:47Z")
> [@SloppyJoes](#): > > Ah, changing the subject, I see. You didn’t address any of the points I raised, presumably because you know you have nothing substantive to say that would refute them, and resorted to an ad hominem attack. Pity. Fuck off, Trumpie. ---
**Author:** ![SloppyJoes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7cd45c/32.png) [@SloppyJoes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SloppyJoes)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2017, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3330 "2017-04-13T22:48:53Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Fuck off, Trumpie. Thanks for proving my point, again. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2017, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3331 "2017-04-13T22:51:37Z")
When you have the Prime Minister of the sovereign nation of Exxon, who currently deigns to serve as our Sec State, your faith is bolstered. Mine, however, is not. Have we a body count? Some tangible evidence of enemy combatants rendered into crispy critters? Radical Islamic lizards, or scorpions with connections to ISIS? I am of mature years, having heard decades of lies from men with very short hair who decorate their clothing with metallic objects. Your faith is your own, and welcome to it. ---
**Author:** ![SloppyJoes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7cd45c/32.png) [@SloppyJoes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SloppyJoes)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2017, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3332 "2017-04-13T22:59:02Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > When you have the Prime Minister of the sovereign nation of Exxon, who currently deigns to serve as our Sec State, your faith is bolstered. Mine, however, is not. What’s wrong with Exxon? > [@elucidator](#): > > Have we a body count? Some tangible evidence of enemy combatants rendered into crispy critters? Radical Islamic lizards, or scorpions with connections to ISIS? The bomb destroyed an ISIS stronghold, a complex cave and tunnel system. That was the objective. We don’t know whether ISIS fighters were killed or not, but the compound’s destruction was the objective in the end, and it was achieved. > [@elucidator](#): > > I am of mature years, having heard decades of lies from men with very short hair who decorate their clothing with metallic objects. > > Your faith is your own, and welcome to it. wut ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2017, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3333 "2017-04-13T23:07:04Z")
> [@SloppyJoes](#): > > 2.) The Tomahawk missiles against the Assad regime’s airfield was a justified, proportionate response to Assad’s decision to gas his people with impunity, resulting in 80+ deaths including women and children. This doesn’t mean Trump will seek a war with the Assad regime with military boots on the ground; the focus is still on ISIS, but Trump will use military force against the Assad regime when the situation calls for it. Rex Tillerson recently [affirmed](http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/rex-tillerson-syria-isis-237032) this, saying that defeating ISIS is still the Number One priority. This isn’t a deviation from Trump’s “America First” rhetoric at all. Nor is it a deviation from what Hillary Clinton might have done, but my god we would be hearing howls of outrage if that happened. It is, of course, a huge deviation from what Trump suggested was a wise course when Obama was in charge. ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2017, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3334 "2017-04-13T23:09:58Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > For some reason this is making me think of the Onion piece from _Our Dumb Century_ where Mohandas Gandhi breaks a hunger strike by ingesting an entire German chocolate cake. > > Is chocolate cake a “thing” in the East? Did anyone offer Xi a choice, like some fresh Florida fruit, which he would have appreciated? > > I assume Trump just ordered for the both of them, off the Applebee’s-style menu Trump restaurants favor. They probably had the Home-style Meat Loaf. Can I have another piece of chocolate cake? Tammy Baker’s got a lot on her plate Can I buy another cheap Picasso fake? Andy Warhol must be laughing in his grave Can I buy another slice of real estate? Liberace must be laughing in his grave Crowded House, “Chocolate Cake” ---
**Author:** ![Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malleus_incus_stapes/32/3293_2.png) [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malleus_Incus_Stapes)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2017, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3335 "2017-04-13T23:18:15Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Fuck off Isn’t that **Clothahump** ’s line? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2017, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3336 "2017-04-13T23:19:55Z")
> [@SloppyJoes](#): > > 1.) The M.O.A.B. was brought to Afghanistan as a potential weapon some time ago. It [was the commanding general in Afghanistan, John Nicholson, who ultimately decided to use it, dubbing it the “right munition” to maintain the offensive against ISIS.](http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/04/13/us-drops-largest-non-nuclear-bomb-in-afghanistan-after-green-beret-killed.html) My guess is the guy knows what he’s talking about. > 2.) The Tomahawk missiles against the Assad regime’s airfield was a justified, proportionate response to Assad’s decision to gas his people with impunity, resulting in 80+ deaths including women and children. This doesn’t mean Trump will seek a war with the Assad regime with military boots on the ground; the focus is still on ISIS, but Trump will use military force against the Assad regime when the situation calls for it. Rex Tillerson recently [affirmed](http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/rex-tillerson-syria-isis-237032) this, saying that defeating ISIS is still the Number One priority. This isn’t a deviation from Trump’s “America First” rhetoric at all. > 3.) The 18 Kurdish-Arab coalition allies in Syria who perished as a result of the military dropping an airstrike on it that was meant for ISIS fighters is tragic. But it was actually [their own fault](https://www.wsj.com/articles/coalition-strike-mistakenly-kills-18-syrian-democratic-fighters-1492096634), as they gave the military the wrong coordinates for the target. It was definitely not the result of incompetent by the U.S. military, or by Trump. What was Trump’s proposed policy on the middle east, Syria in particular, during the election? Bonus question: which relevant 2017 politician attacked Obama for threatening strikes against Assad for chemical attacks back in 2013? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2017, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3337 "2017-04-13T23:21:28Z")
> [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](#): > > Isn’t that **Clothahump** ’s line? Cultural appropriation. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2017, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3338 "2017-04-13T23:24:15Z")
> [@SloppyJoes](#): > > 1.) The M.O.A.B. was brought to Afghanistan as a potential weapon some time ago. … Gotcha. It’s been Trumped. That means that Trump isn’t responsible because Obama or Past or Yesterday or Yabba Dabba Doo or Etc. The important thing is to assign responsibility to someone, anyone, that isn’t Trump. Yeah, that’s a familiar Republican strategy called “Trumped”. ---
**Author:** ![soonerblue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/soonerblue/32/3302_2.png) [@soonerblue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/soonerblue)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2017, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3339 "2017-04-13T23:26:35Z")
[quote=“TonySinclair, post:3317, topic:774070”] How petty and insecure can Trump be? Why does he have to include a smear against Obama or Hillary or both, every time he opens his mouth? This, a thousand times this. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2017, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3340 "2017-04-13T23:34:24Z")
> [@SloppyJoes](#): > > Thanks for proving my point, again. You’re assuming I care enough about your opinion (or that of any Trumpie) to be bothered by that…well, riposte, for lack of a better term. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=166) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=168)