# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1691
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2019, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/33805 "2019-06-22T19:18:47Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > I no longer have the cite handy but there was an orchard owner years ago who tried an experiment: only hire American citizens. He went around to local job placement agencies offering well above minimum wage. He found one worker, who didn’t bother to return after breaking for lunch. Back in 2010, [Stephen Colbert spent a day as a migrant worker and later testified to Congress about it.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1iHQyRu6Y0) ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2019, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/33806 "2019-06-22T20:12:28Z")
Any doubts about the fact that he issues these threats just to get headlines? [**Trump says he will delay ICE raids**](https://www.axios.com/trump-says-delay-sunday-ice-raids-5bf86443-4c7e-4825-9930-c3a58f0cce0b.html) > [@](#): > > President Trump said he will issue a 2-week delay on what he called the “Illegal Immigration Removal Process,” referencing planned mass ICE raids scheduled for Sunday morning in 10 U.S. cities. > > Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump > At the request of Democrats, I have delayed the Illegal Immigration Removal Process (Deportation) for two weeks to see if the Democrats and Republicans can get together and work out a solution to the Asylum and Loophole problems at the Southern Border. If not, Deportations start! > 21K 1:56 PM - Jun 22, 2019 > **Why it matters:** The 10-city Immigration and Customs Enforcement roundup aimed to deport around 2,000 undocumented families, targeting those with final orders of removal. > > The backdrop: Trump’s tweet emerged after he defending the plan earlier on Saturday, saying that “exportation raids are groups of very, very good law enforcement people going by the law, going by our court system taking people out who came in illegally and out legally.” > > ``` > [ul] > > ``` > > [li]Some cities targeted by the the Trump administration’s planned mass ICE raids already issued statements that they would not participate or cooperate with Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials, the Washington Post reports.[/li][li] House Speaker Nancy Pelosi called for Trump to cancel the raids on Saturday.[/li][/ul] Formatting in original. So…is he doing something that our Nancy asked him to do?? _\_ ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2019, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/33807 "2019-06-22T20:43:41Z")
“Any doubts about the fact that he issues these threats just to get headlines?” Not just for headlines, unfortunately: he introduces these ideas to get them into the American mainstrean political discourse, then enacts them about 6, 9, 12 months down the road. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2019, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/33808 "2019-06-22T20:45:23Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > No… he introduces these ideas to get them into the American mainstrean political discourse, then enacts them about 6, 9, 12 months down the road. He can think that far ahead?? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2019, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/33809 "2019-06-22T20:46:08Z")
His administration can, yes. They’ve done this before, have they not? ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2019, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/33810 "2019-06-22T21:13:25Z")
> [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > I don’t meant that they contribute more, but they contribute. No one knows exactly how many of the fruit pickers are illegal, but it is a substantial number. The company which tried to blackmail me into working without a permit was a pharmaceutical; when the HR manager investigated, she discovered that on any given day, about 1/3 of their foreign employees were working without a permit. The company systematically refused to provide us with the letter we needed in order to renew the permit. Over 90% of RnD was foreigners. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2019, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/33811 "2019-06-22T21:42:15Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Yeah, put me down as another vote for this. > > Some military experts have gone on record saying the sequence of events Trump described is _extremely_ unlikely—the idea that no one would have mentioned potential casualties until Mr. Brilliant Mind thought of it, is utterly ludicrous. When a military action is placed before a decision-maker, the projected number of casualties is one of the first factors mentioned. > > Trump thought this was a great story. So much drama! It was about to go down, and only his wise intervention stopped a disproportionate military action! Such a brilliant commander he is! No one else thought about casualties or proportionality of response! > > What a disgusting little turd he is, playing with his toys. He’s copying the propaganda method of his lover’s daddy and grandpappy. He’s already been doing that with golf. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Trump went eyeball to eyeball with himself and then he blinked. Awesome commentary! ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2019, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/33812 "2019-06-22T22:28:02Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Back in 2010, [Stephen Colbert spent a day as a migrant worker and later testified to Congress about it.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1iHQyRu6Y0) He is still free and alive. I am amazed. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2019, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/33813 "2019-06-23T00:17:19Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > He’s copying the propaganda method of his lover’s daddy and grandpappy. He’s already been doing that with golf. You’re right; the Kims lie (and have lied) freely with no fear of contradiction. Here where the press is at least still nominally free (where they’re not obsessed with ‘keeping our access,’) Trump is encountering some skepticism—not to mention disgust. > [@JohnT](#): > > “Any doubts about the fact that he issues these threats just to get headlines?” > > Not just for headlines, unfortunately: he introduces these ideas to get them into the American mainstrean political discourse, then enacts them about 6, 9, 12 months down the road. Good point—‘blooding’ the populace by gradually introducing more and more depraved cruelty, is a technique urged on Trump by both Bannon and Miller, I gather. And of course it fits Trump’s own predilections. But even in the short term, Trump would be attracted to the “building suspense” aspect of declaring that it will all still happen in two weeks, unless everyone hops to the task of pleasing him. It’s also a great tool of distraction. If more women come forward with assault allegations (not unlikely), or court action hints that more of his finances will become public, or he suffers more humiliation from bad polls----he can just trot out the current count-down number. _Six days until families are dragged into vans and deported!_, etc. Great way to change the subject. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2019, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/33814 "2019-06-23T00:47:32Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > He can think that far ahead?? Can he think at all? My theory is that his ongoing glandular excretions are pretty much reflexive rather than conscious. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2019, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/33815 "2019-06-23T01:38:01Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > You’re right; the Kims lie (and have lied) freely with no fear of contradiction. Here where the press is at least still nominally free (where they’re not obsessed with ‘keeping our access,’) Trump is encountering some skepticism—not to mention disgust. Disgust and astonishment. Remember the reporter’s reaction when Trump rhreatened to arrest him? ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2019, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/33816 "2019-06-23T03:42:09Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > He can think that far ahead?? He has ADD, it takes that long for the thought to come back to him. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2019, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/33817 "2019-06-23T11:50:58Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > He has ADD, it takes that long for the thought to come back to him. Ah… the boomerang effect. Got it. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2019, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/33818 "2019-06-23T11:59:15Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > What, are they deaf? The Iranians aren’t the only intended audience. ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2019, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/33819 "2019-06-23T12:28:13Z")
Great quote from NPR’s Mara Liasson this morning regarding Trump’s foreign policy: _“He speaks loudly and carries a little stick.”_ ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2019, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/33820 "2019-06-23T13:18:39Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > Great quote from NPR’s Mara Liasson this morning regarding Trump’s foreign policy: > > _“He speaks loudly and carries a little stick.”_ Ouch! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_McQwark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4da419/32.png) [@Steve\_McQwark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_McQwark)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2019, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/33821 "2019-06-23T13:46:11Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > Great quote from NPR’s Mara Liasson this morning regarding Trump’s foreign policy: > > _“He speaks loudly and carries a little stick.”_ I thought Stormy said it was a mushroom. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2019, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/33822 "2019-06-23T13:52:26Z")
> [@Steve\_McQwark](#): > > I thought Stormy said it was a mushroom. Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for I sow fungus on all the land. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2019, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/33823 "2019-06-23T14:39:58Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I’ll just quote the Huffpost article on this one: > > Trump didn’t stop there: > > I’m sure Kavanaugh loved hearing that Trump compared his innocence to his own. > > Being on a roll, Trump then said “All should condemn false accusations” - followed by accusing Carroll of working for the Democratic Party. > > The article concludes by noting that Carroll is the sixteenth woman to publicly accuse Trump of sexual assault. > > [Trump On E. Jean Carroll Rape Allegation: 'I've Never Met This Person In My Life' | HuffPost Latest News](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-response-e-jean-carroll-rape-allegation_n_5d0d4a42e4b0a39418626c52?ncid=%20edlinkusaolp00000029) If it looks like a Trump, walks like a Trump and quacks like a Trump, it’s a Trump. When you hear hoof beats, you don’t look for zebras. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2019, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/33824 "2019-06-23T15:37:56Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > Great quote from NPR’s Mara Liasson this morning regarding Trump’s foreign policy: > > _“He speaks loudly and carries a little stick.”_ I will very shamelessly be stealing this line. Love it! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1690) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1692)