# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1711
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34205 "2019-07-08T13:49:19Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > 😕 In what way **could** one “restrict the formation of familial dynasties”? Unless all you mean by “dynasties” is “a family member of a previous POTUS becoming POTUS”, which so far has no relevance to the Trump family, thank God. We could stop letting the heirs of rich people take control of such vast fortunes which they did not earn. And we could stop letting people accumulate that much relative (to the rest of us) wealth in the first place. You know: tax them properly. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34206 "2019-07-08T14:13:17Z")
> It’s official: The White House basement is flooding. Some of the responses are so good! ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34207 "2019-07-08T14:13:23Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > We could stop letting the heirs of rich people take control of such vast fortunes which they did not earn. Oh, I see, by “dynasty” you mean “family that perpetuates its wealth by inheritance” rather than an actual hereditary succession of rulers. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34208 "2019-07-08T14:15:49Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Oh, I see, by “dynasty” you mean “family that perpetuates its wealth by inheritance” rather than an actual hereditary succession of rulers. Yes; I’m sorry for not being more explicit seeing as how the two are potentially conflated with a few families, including the Trumps. It just didn’t occur to me when I wrote the other post. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34209 "2019-07-08T18:48:14Z")
This is concerning: > **[Mike Pompeo unveils panel to examine 'unalienable rights'](https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/08/pompeo-panel-unalienable-rights-1400023)** > > Pompeo said the panel is aimed at providing him with “an informed review of the role of human rights in American foreign policy.” Pompeo setting up a group to decide, “You know, what rights are really ‘rights’, ya know?” I find it unlikely that they’ll land on, “If it only offends the sensibilities of others then it is an inalienable right.” ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34210 "2019-07-08T18:50:00Z")
> [@slumtrimpet](#): > > Por que’ no los dos? > Seriously, why can’t he be an evil fucking moron? 😕 > (hint: he is) Because half the country thinks that it’s fair to punish people for breaking the law and don’t view that as evil. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34211 "2019-07-08T19:01:59Z")
I don’t know where to put this, so here: Duterte of the Philippines says, if the United States declares war on China, he will, too. > **[‘Fire the first shot’: Duterte dares US to declare war against China](https://www.yahoo.com/news/fire-first-shot-duterte-dares-015105356.html)** > > As he faces increasing pressure from critics to protect the Philippines' territories from China's aggression, President Rodrigo Duterte dared the United States on Friday to declare war against the Asian superpower and said that he would follow their... ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2019, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34212 "2019-07-08T21:43:37Z")
[Loser Donald’s China tariffs are causing a Bible shortage.](https://www.theolympian.com/latest-news/article232406467.html#storylink=topdigest_latest) ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2019, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34213 "2019-07-09T00:11:52Z")
Seems президент Trump is willing to do anything to get that darned census question added, including [letting it slip out his hopes that it will help re-districting.](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-census-citizenship-elections-856124/):smack: > [@](#): > > But, this is not how the Trump Administration justified adding the question when the case came before the Supreme Court. Then, they argued that the reason was to protect minority voting rights, a reason that Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts said in the court’s ruling “seemed to be contrived.” I’m getting so fucking sick of his desperate boondoggle to stick it to those no good brown types. Even more infuriating is that his stupidly blurting shit out like that (“I was going to fire Comey anyway”) will have abso-fucking-lutely nada effect on anything. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2019, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34214 "2019-07-09T00:50:30Z")
Well, this would not be the first time he flat out lied to the federal courts, especially to the Supreme Court, regarding the justification for his policies. See: Muslim ban. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2019, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34215 "2019-07-09T01:02:07Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Seems президент Trump is willing to do anything to get that darned census question added, including [letting it slip out his hopes that it will help re-districting.](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-census-citizenship-elections-856124/):smack: It really doesn’t matter if he gets the citizenship question on the census, as there’s enough confusion about the issue that people will be afraid of participating in the census. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2019, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34216 "2019-07-09T01:24:36Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > It really doesn’t matter if he gets the citizenship question on the census, as there’s enough confusion about the issue that people will be afraid of participating in the census. It matters whether he prints the census with the the citizenship question in open defiance of the Court’s ruling. It’s quite possibly the beginning of the end of three separate but co-equal branches of government, and it’s also quite possibly the beginning of a major political crisis that could go on for years. Make no mistake about it: this is serious shit. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2019, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34217 "2019-07-09T01:39:18Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > It really doesn’t matter if he gets the citizenship question on the census, as there’s enough confusion about the issue that people will be afraid of participating in the census. The only thing ‘certain’ people are afraid of is the citizenship question, so, if it’s not in the census, there will be absolutely nada confusion nor fear. ---
**Author:** ![steatopygia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steatopygia/32/3132_2.png) [@steatopygia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steatopygia)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2019, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34218 "2019-07-09T02:58:55Z")
I’m going to guess that the 2020 census is already screwed. The orange dumb fuck and the America hating republican ass kissers supporting him, have so politicized this census that it is going to take some major education to get people to write anything on it beside “Fuck Trump”. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2019, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34219 "2019-07-09T03:14:06Z")
Will there be a box for that, **steatopygia** , or should I just scrawl it across every page in fluorescent highlighter? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![steatopygia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steatopygia/32/3132_2.png) [@steatopygia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steatopygia)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2019, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34220 "2019-07-09T03:46:49Z")
😃 I live in a republican majority state. Do I make the census political by trying to avoid being counted so that there are fewer representatives from my state? Why not if we are going to make this about politics and not people? ---
**Author:** ![steatopygia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steatopygia/32/3132_2.png) [@steatopygia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steatopygia)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2019, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34221 "2019-07-09T03:48:45Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Will there be a box for that, **steatopygia** , or should I just scrawl it across every page in fluorescent highlighter? 😃 😃 I would avoid the highlighter. That stuff doesn’t photocopy well and sometimes fades. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2019, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34222 "2019-07-09T04:20:19Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > The only thing ‘certain’ people are afraid of is the citizenship question, so, if it’s not in the census, there will be absolutely nada confusion nor fear. I seriously doubt that. KGO-810 out of San Francisco used to have one talking head who would encourage people to answer none of the questions other than name and residence, IIRC, because “the purpose of the census is only to count, not to gather any other information”. Then there are those who are already convinced that putting their name on it, even if they are legally in the country, will be used against them when they do go for naturalization. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2019, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34223 "2019-07-09T04:45:19Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Then there are those who are already convinced that putting their name on it, even if they are legally in the country, will be used against them when they do go for naturalization. At first I thought that sounded a little anecdotal and was going to request a cite, but decided to rummage around the net and came across this article about a [“denaturalization task force”](https://www.vox.com/2018/7/18/17561538/denaturalization-citizenship-task-force-janus) > [@](#): > > “The creation of the task force itself is undoing the naturalization of the more than twenty million naturalized citizens in the American population by taking away their assumption of permanence,” wrote author Masha Gessen in a widely circulated New Yorker column. “All of them — all of us — are second-class citizens now.” So, sure, there’s that, I’ll concede. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2019, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34224 "2019-07-09T18:20:44Z")
Individual 1 tweeted a photo of him shaking hands with Ronald Reagan, with a debunked quote claiming that Reagan said, “I felt I was the one shaking hands with a President.” > **[Trump shares fake Reagan quote praising him](https://www.msnbc.com/hardball/watch/trump-shares-fake-reagan-quote-praising-him-63494213799)** > > President Trump tweeted out a fake quote from former President Ronald Reagan, praising Trump. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1710) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1712)