# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1723
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34445 "2019-07-16T05:12:29Z")
“No, you the puppet, YOU THE PUPPET!” “No, you the racist, YOU THE RACIST” It really is like dealing with a toddler. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34446 "2019-07-16T05:20:00Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > It may have cost votes but the truest thing Hillary ever said was to point out the deplorables among us. I’m pretty sure that what actually cost votes were all the people condemning her for it. The Democrats have earned a reputation as being weak and willing to sell out their supporters in order to pander to right wingers; every time some Democrat condemned Hillary’s “deplorable” comment, they were announcing to their own voters that as soon as they could they’d sell those voters out to pander to the bigots. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34447 "2019-07-16T05:30:26Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > “No, you the puppet, YOU THE PUPPET!” > > “No, you the racist, YOU THE RACIST” > > It really is like dealing with a toddler. Once a week, I teach three- and four-year olds. They are far better behaved than Tan the Conman. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34448 "2019-07-16T05:38:37Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Get rid of minorities? Nah, who would he have left to demonize then? His own base. Trump is only looking out for himself. And at a far step behind, other rich people like him. He doesn’t give a damn for the ordinary white people who vote for him. If Trump could get rid of all of the brown people in America, he’d no longer need to pretend he likes working class white people. He’d happily round them up and put them in camps. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34449 "2019-07-16T07:34:49Z")
I’ll just note that you all are taking the bait. Trump is going all in on cages and racism because Epstein is in the news. If you allow yourselves to be distracted by political correctness, you’ve lost the best ammunition against the guy. You should all just finish every political comment with anyone on the Internet by mentioning Epstein, John Casablancas, George Nader, and Tevfik Arif. Keep that up in every post until 2020 and the election is yours. Throw in the occasional comment about Trump Foundation stealing from people who got their legs blown off and you’re golden. Or mention Kristopher Hansen. That’s another good one. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34450 "2019-07-16T07:36:48Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > I’ll just note that you all are taking the bait. > > Trump is going all in on cages and racism because Epstein is in the news. No, that makes no sense. He talks like that all the time, and nothing Trump says will affect what happens to Epstein. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34451 "2019-07-16T07:40:31Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > No, that makes no sense. He talks like that all the time, and nothing Trump says will affect what happens to Epstein. I’m not going to be able to convince you through argument. I would ask you to take this on faith. Don’t take the bait. Keep driving on Casablancas, Arif, and Nader. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34452 "2019-07-16T07:51:08Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > I’ll just note that you all are taking the bait. …the reality. > [@Buzzfeed](#): > > The typical weekend bustle in immigrant communities across major US cities was dampened on Sunday: Churches weren’t full, markets were quiet, and the streets were less crowded in some neighborhoods. > > While “mass” arrests promised by President Trump have yet to materialize, the impact of a highly-anticipated US Immigration and Customs Enforcement operation targeting undocumented families with deportation orders was noticeable in Atlanta, Central California, Houston, New York City, and Miami, according to advocates and observers on the ground. > > … > > “I went to the deli and I did not see a single Latino person on the street,” she said. Her family and immigrant neighbors are not leaving their homes. “Our whole body is filled with fear. It’s just one of many days that we as a community expose ourselves to a society full of hate. We all no longer feel safe in a place that many of us call home.” > > Even US citizens who are not the targets of the anticipated ICE raids avoided the public on Sunday. > > E. Gonzalez, a 75-year-old grandfather, said he made himself a prisoner in his own Houston home on Sunday out of fear that he would be picked up by agents if he stepped out into his predominantly Latino neighborhood despite being a US citizen. > **[Not A “Brown Face” To Be Seen As Immigrant Neighborhoods Brace For ICE Raids](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/hamedaleaziz/immigrant-communities-ice-raids-fear)** > > "Why risk it? I think it's better to stay home for now." This wasn’t “bait.” It isn’t a distraction. This is real. People are staying off the streets en masse **in fear.** You can bring up Epstein, John Casablancas, George Nader, and Tevfik Arif all you like: but that isn’t going to make the people that Trump & Co are targeting feel any safer. It won’t help them. This is a white supremacist regime. The cruelity is the point. There is a clear and present danger. We need to be yelling it from the rooftops. We can do many different things at the same time. Don’t be distracted by people like Sage Rat. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34453 "2019-07-16T07:51:53Z")
I disagree. Epstein is still very much in the news, as well as Trump’s racism. It is possible for us, and the news media, to keep track of two (or more!) outrages at the same time. Keep the fire on Trump, in all ways, at all times. ETA: That was in response to Sage Rat - Banquet Bear snuck in ahead of me. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34454 "2019-07-16T08:38:59Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > I’m not going to be able to convince you through argument. I would ask you to take this on faith. I consider faith irrational and destructive, so no. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34455 "2019-07-16T11:07:12Z")
> [@galen\_ubal](#): > > I disagree. Epstein is still very much in the news, as well as Trump’s racism. It is possible for us, and the news media, to keep track of two (or more!) outrages at the same time. Keep the fire on Trump, in all ways, at all times. > > ETA: That was in response to Sage Rat - Banquet Bear snuck in ahead of me. LOL @ the people who call Trump’s twitsyntery a ‘distraction’. You can’t tweet away a major criminal investigation into sex crimes. Now he could have his personal attorney, er, Attorney General decline to prosecute, but he can’t just make the story go away. Trump isn’t tweeting to distract; he’s tweeting to divide. ---
**Author:** ![splatterpunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3be4f8/32.png) [@splatterpunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/splatterpunk)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34456 "2019-07-16T12:07:32Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > I’m not going to be able to convince you through argument. I would ask you to take this on faith. Yeah, no thanks. But I appreciate your _concern_. ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34457 "2019-07-16T12:38:25Z")
What would be funny is to have a Democrat who is Native American – say, KS rep Sharice Davids – tell Trump he should go back to the country he came from. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34458 "2019-07-16T15:24:02Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …the reality. > > [Threat Of ICE Raids Left Immigrant Neighborhoods Empty On Sunday](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/hamedaleaziz/immigrant-communities-ice-raids-fear) > > This wasn’t “bait.” It isn’t a distraction. This is real. People are staying off the streets en masse **in fear.** You can bring up Epstein, John Casablancas, George Nader, and Tevfik Arif all you like: but that isn’t going to make the people that Trump & Co are targeting feel any safer. It won’t help them. > > This is a white supremacist regime. The cruelity is the point. There is a clear and present danger. We need to be yelling it from the rooftops. > > We can do many different things at the same time. Don’t be distracted by people like Sage Rat. Six more years is more of that than two. ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34459 "2019-07-16T15:47:56Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > I’ll just note that you all are taking the bait. > > Trump is going all in on cages and racism because Epstein is in the news. If you allow yourselves to be distracted by political correctness, you’ve lost the best ammunition against the guy. > > You should all just finish every political comment with anyone on the Internet by mentioning Epstein, John Casablancas, George Nader, and Tevfik Arif. Keep that up in every post until 2020 and the election is yours. > > Throw in the occasional comment about Trump Foundation stealing from people who got their legs blown off and you’re golden. Or mention Kristopher Hansen. That’s another good one. I know this is the Pit, but is there a cite for trump foundation stealing money from disabled veterans? Not that I doubt it, but I couldn’t find anything specifically about it, maybe not using the right search words, and I want to have receipts if I bring this up IRL. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34460 "2019-07-16T15:54:35Z")
> **[5 takeaways from New York's Trump Foundation lawsuit](https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/politics/albany/2018/06/14/trump-foundation-5-takeaways-lawsuit/702630002/)** > > NY Attorney General Barbara Underwood sued President Donald Trump and his foundation. Here are five takeaways. Billed as a campaign event, it was run under the foundation and is a significant part of the NYAG’s case against them. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34461 "2019-07-16T16:07:22Z")
> [@Skypist](#): > > I know this is the Pit, but is there a cite for trump foundation stealing money from disabled veterans? More like he never sent the promised funds, IIRC. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34462 "2019-07-16T16:13:55Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > More like he never sent the promised funds, IIRC. Actually, he did. Several months later. _After_ the Washington Post printed an article asking why the money never was paid out. Prompting checks going out the very same day. Several to highly questionable recipients. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34463 "2019-07-16T16:23:33Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Actually, he did. > > Several months later. > > _After_ the Washington Post printed an article asking why the money never was paid out. > > Prompting checks going out the very same day. > > Several to highly questionable recipients. And still managed to disperse only half of what he claimed to have raised. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34464 "2019-07-16T16:38:00Z")
On second thought, disregard the above. I can’t find a clear timeline and probably got it wrong. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1722) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1724)