# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1727
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34525 "2019-07-17T16:04:39Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Cool. I did the lighting automation system for Tony and Anne Fisher’s New York townhouse. Probably close to 20 years ago > > I remember when they were killed in the small plane crash- along with their interior designers. Very tragic They didn’t own the Fisher house when I worked on it. That would explain why. IIRC, the new owner had been a professor who found a new way to play the market whose wife was as nouveau as can be: she hated flying with other people so she would buy out first class. It was cheaper to buy her a jet. We worked on their 125’ yacht which was a stopgap until their 150 footer was done. My crazy security guy made sure all of their bedrooms were literally bombproof. Somali pirates were SOL if they boarded it. I love stupid rich people. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34526 "2019-07-17T16:14:58Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > The Daily Show did just that yesterday. I’ll see if I can find a link. They put it on Facebook - see if this works. > **[When you truly love America | By The Daily ShowFacebook](https://www.facebook.com/thedailyshow/videos/509996603154917?s=1380258650&sfns=mo)** > > When you truly love America ---
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34527 "2019-07-17T16:36:45Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > They put it on Facebook - see if this works. > > [When you truly love America | By The Daily ShowFacebook](https://www.facebook.com/thedailyshow/videos/509996603154917?s=1380258650&sfns=mo) Wow. Democrats need to play this on network TV constantly until the election. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34528 "2019-07-17T18:20:46Z")
> [@MindsEye\_Watering](#): > > Wow. > > Democrats need to play this on network TV constantly until the election. This is how it works: Republican says that America is terrible, and a laughing stock, and the American dream is dead, and that America is full of drugs and gangs and poverty and awfulness… That’s OK because by saying the country is shit, he really means that Democrats are shit. Democrat says that Trump is terrible for the country, and his policies are doing nothing to address the very real problems that people face… That is bad, because by saying that Trump is a useless pile of crap, she really means that she hates the country and is a socialist. That is the logic that is at play here. And there is nothing you can do to change people’s minds. They are perfectly happy holding these two thoughts in their head at the same time. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34529 "2019-07-17T18:40:00Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > They are perfectly happy holding these two thoughts in their head at the same time. The “cuckoo clock in hell”, from Kurt Vonnegut’s _Mother Night_: > [@](#): > > I have never seen a more sublime demonstration of the totalitarian > mind, a mind which might be likened unto a system of gears whose > teeth have been filed off at random. Such a snaggle-toothed thought > machine, driven by a standard or even substandard libido, whirls > with the jerky, noisy, gaudy pointlessness of a cuckoo clock in > Hell. > > The boss G-man concluded wrongly that there were no teeth on the > gears in the mind of Jones. “You’re completely crazy,” he said. > > Jones wasn’t completely crazy. The dismaying thing about the > classic totalitarian mind is that any given gear, though mutilated, > will have at its circumference unbroken sequences of teeth that are > immaculately, that are exquisitely machined. > > Hence the cuckoo clock in Hell-keeping perfect time for eight > minutes and thirty-three seconds, jumping ahead fourteen minutes, > keeping perfect time for six seconds, jumping ahead two seconds, > keeping perfect time for two hours and one second, then jumping > ahead a year. > > The missing teeth, of course, are simple, obvious truths, truths > available and comprehensible even to ten-year-olds, in most cases. > > The wilful filing off of gear teeth, the wilful doing without > certain obvious pieces of information– > > That was how a household as contradictory as one composed of > Jones, Father Keeley, Vice-Bundesfuehrer Krapptaer, and the Black > Fuehrer could exist in relative harmony– > > That was how my father-in-law could contain in one mind an > indifference toward slave women and love for a blue vase– > > That was how Rudolf Hoess, Commandant of Auschwitz, could alternate > over the loudspeakers of Auschwitz great music and calls for > corpse-carriers– > > That was how Nazi Germany could sense no important differences > between civilization and hydrophobia– > > That is the closest I can come to explaining the legions, the > nations of lunatics I’ve seen in my time. (I never understood the libido bit, but I’m not Kurt Freaking Vonnegut.) ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34530 "2019-07-17T19:00:49Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > The “cuckoo clock in hell”, from Kurt Vonnegut’s _Mother Night_: > (I never understood the libido bit, but I’m not Kurt Freaking Vonnegut.) Libido is one of those words that can refer to sex, like intercourse, that has a more general meaning that has fallen into disuse. My dictionary app defines libido as “instinctual psychic energy that is derived from primitive biological urges (survival, sex) and that is expressed in conscious activity”. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34531 "2019-07-17T19:06:21Z")
> [@Crotalus](#): > > Libido is one of those words that can refer to sex, like intercourse, that has a more general meaning that has fallen into disuse. My dictionary app defines libido as “instinctual psychic energy that is derived from primitive biological urges (survival, sex) and that is expressed in conscious activity”. Interesting, thanks. That does make a lot more sense. I wonder when that meaning dropped off entirely. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34532 "2019-07-17T19:40:52Z")
The text of Congressman Al Green’s impeachment resolution: > **['Unfit to be president': Full text of House impeachment resolution on Trump](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/unfit-be-president-full-text-house-impeachment-resolution-trump-n1030611)** > > Read the full text of Rep. Al Green's House impeachment resolution ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34533 "2019-07-17T20:16:21Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > They put it on Facebook - see if this works. > > [When you truly love America | By The Daily ShowFacebook](https://www.facebook.com/thedailyshow/videos/509996603154917?s=1380258650&sfns=mo) Shared, thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34534 "2019-07-17T21:12:54Z")
[Live C-SPAN feed from House for impeachment vote](https://www.c-span.org/video/?462653-2/us-house-voting-table-impeachment-resolution&live=). ---
**Author:** ![Personal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Personal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Personal)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34535 "2019-07-17T21:24:11Z")
It’s a motion to table the vote and it looks like it passed ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34536 "2019-07-17T21:27:18Z")
Yep, Democrat vote split (as was expected). Coming up on C-SPAN: contempt vote of Barr and Ross, and more nice classical music… ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34537 "2019-07-17T21:37:31Z")
I think this impeachment vote may be for reasons related to Trump’s bigotry, rather than obstruction as detailed in the Mueller Report, which explains why Amash has voted to kill the resolution. [CNN](https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/17/politics/trump-impeachment-house-vote/index.html): > [@](#): > > Green said he chose to move forward with his resolution because he thinks Congress should send Trump “a powerful message that this country will not tolerate bigotry, racism, hate, xenophobia, Islamophobia.” > > He noted that his impeachment resolution is not connected to Mueller or the findings of his investigation. > > “You don’t delay justice. The Mueller hearing has nothing to do with what we’re doing now. The Mueller hearing is all about obstruction, this is about bigotry and racism and that racism that’s been infused into policy,” Green said. I wish C-SPAN had “Now Playing” info for the music. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34538 "2019-07-17T21:51:34Z")
> [@](#): > > Green said he chose to move forward with his resolution because he thinks Congress should send Trump “a powerful message that this country will not tolerate bigotry, racism, hate, xenophobia, Islamophobia.” I guess tabling it sent a powerful message, eh? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34539 "2019-07-17T22:39:03Z")
The House has voted to hold A.G. Barr and Commerce Secretary Ross in criminal contempt of Congress over census question: 230-198 ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34540 "2019-07-17T23:06:07Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > I guess tabling it sent a powerful message, eh? :dubious: Calling for a vote you know you’ll lose: not smart. I sympathize with Green’s passion to see Donald slapped across the face, but it wasn’t going to happen today. And of course an actual impeachment _vote_ (not just inquiry) means Senate acquittal within days—and that means no more hearings and no more investigation. How could they hold hearings about a guy declared innocent? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34541 "2019-07-17T23:41:39Z")
He’s doing his touchdown celebration on TV now. I’ve it said again and again and again: Trump loves this impeachment shit. Absolutely fucking loves it. He absolutely wants the Democrats to do it over and over again. He knows he’ll win because Democrats don’t have the votes. And they won’t until the voters have clearly turned against him, and also I’ve said again, most voters don’t give a flying fuck about anything other than their bank accounts. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34542 "2019-07-17T23:42:22Z")
Fighting for principles is never smart. It’s just, y’know, right. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34543 "2019-07-17T23:56:58Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Fighting for principles is never smart. It’s just, y’know, right. So you’re fine with yea-many more years of Trump, just so long as you can feel all righteous? I hope that’s not what you’re saying. Because it’s _not_ righteous. It’s fascism-enabling. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34544 "2019-07-18T00:10:09Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > So you’re fine with yea-many more years of Trump, just so long as you can feel all righteous? …its only your opinion that impeachment will result in “many more years of Trump.” > [@](#): > > I hope that’s not what you’re saying. Because it’s _not_ righteous. It’s fascism-enabling. The process of a legislative body leveling charges against a government official is not “fascism-enabling.” Its the very opposite. What you are doing? Advocating to not hold Trump and his administration to account using the appropriate legal means? Using hyperbole, fear, demonization and lies every time someone brings up impeachment? **You** are enabling facism. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1726) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1728)