# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1735
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34685 "2019-07-19T18:46:30Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > he cheerfully pipes up “and you got a Nobel Prize?” I would love to see a scene of Trumpelthinskin: [ol] [li]Seeing a news report of the newly elected Democratic President receiving the 2021 Nobel Peace Prize,[/li][li]Smashing the TV in a rage, and as a result[/li][li]Losing his prison TV lounge privileges[/li][/ol] ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34686 "2019-07-19T18:53:21Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I tried to find out what documentation the guardians who showed up had, but that type of detail is scarce. > > As far as bait, I’m not seeing it. When do you think this trap was set up? 3 US Citizens show up at CBP, and then CBP somehow knows that their mother is here illegally, and then decide right then and there to set a trap to lure an illegal immigrant to the airport so they can arrest her? Why do you not give complete information here? The children arrived at the airport _in the custody of their cousin_. CBP wouldn’t “somehow know” if a person was here illegally: that’s what they keep track of. Do you deny that CBP was holding the children until a parent showed up and would not release them to a guardian? What’s your cite for that? Because the cites already provided say what I said: CBP would not release the children to a guardian, only to a parent. Everything I said in the post you quoted was information available in the news stories linked in this thread. Have you read any of them? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Frazzled](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frazzled/32/3368_2.png) [@Frazzled](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frazzled)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34687 "2019-07-19T19:17:44Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > I would love to see a scene of Trumpelthinskin: > [ol] > [li]Seeing a news report of the newly elected Democratic President receiving the 2021 Nobel Peace Prize,[/li][li]Smashing the TV in a rage, and as a result[/li][li]Losing his prison TV lounge privileges[/li][/ol] I Facebook Love this quote! If I find a genie today, these will be my 3 wishes! ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34688 "2019-07-19T19:25:48Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Why do you not give complete information here? The children arrived at the airport _in the custody of their cousin_ Yes. That’s not new information. > [@](#): > > CBP wouldn’t “somehow know” if a person was here illegally: that’s what they keep track of When I, a US citizen, go through CBP, they know if my mother is here illegally or not? > [@](#): > > Do you deny that CBP was holding the children until a parent showed up and would not release them to a guardian? What’s your cite for that? Because the cites already provided say what I said: CBP would not release the children to a guardian, only to a parent I don’t deny that. A guardian showed up. Not surprisingly, not any old random person can show up and say “Yeah, their mom said I can pick them up”. They have to have certain documentation. What documentation they had does not seem to be available in any of the news stories. (Not the aunt that they came into the country with. New people who showed up at the airport) Have you been reading the same things I have? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34689 "2019-07-19T19:38:18Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > I would love to see a scene of Trumpelthinskin: > [ol] > [li]Seeing a news report of the newly elected Democratic President receiving the 2021 Nobel Peace Prize,[/li][li]Smashing the TV in a rage, and as a result[/li][li]Losing his prison TV lounge privileges[/li][/ol] Stolen. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34690 "2019-07-19T19:58:26Z")
Actually, Trump said “You had the Nobel prize” I suspect he thinks it’s like the Stanley Cup and it gets passed from person to person. Now he wants to ‘take’ it from Obama. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34691 "2019-07-19T20:05:53Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > To give us a pause in the great child debate, I give you for your shock and amusement, Trump meeting with 2018 Nobel Peace Prize laureate Nadia Murad in the Oval Office: > > ["You had the Nobel Prize?" The White House Squatter Meets Nadia Murad, And It's Excruciating](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/7/19/1872963/--You-had-the-Nobel-Prize-The-White-House-Squatter-Meets-Nadia-Murad-And-It-s-Excruciating?utm_campaign=trending) > > As one viewer commented : “What’s really appalling is the look on his face after she explains this to him. Then, when she’s done, he cheerfully pipes up “and you got a Nobel Prize?” The pained look on her face when he chirps that is hard to watch. He simply lacks the part of the brain capable of empathy.” I’d be curious to know why he held that meeting to begin with. It’s sort of like running on a pro-choice platform then holding a meeting with a bunch of fundies so that they can come to describe to you in the most grizzly details possible the process of vacuum aspiration abortion. Either someone forced him to do it, or it was set up as a way to troll everyone to begin with. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34692 "2019-07-19T20:20:24Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > I’d be curious to know why he held that meeting to begin with. > > It’s sort of like running on a pro-choice platform then holding a meeting with a bunch of fundies so that they can come to describe to you in the most grizzly details possible the process of vacuum aspiration abortion. > > Either someone forced him to do it, or it was set up as a way to troll everyone to begin with. Trump, [the Listener-In-Chief.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/a-yazidi-woman-from-iraq-told-trump-that-isis-killed-her-family-where-are-they-now-he-asked/2019/07/19/cc0c83e0-aa2d-11e9-a3a6-ab670962db05_story.html?utm_term=.68b3bd497d20) > [@](#): > > Murad, who now lives in Germany, told him she never wanted to be a refugee but that ISIS murdered her mother and six brothers. > > “Where are they now?” Trump asked. > > “They killed them,” she repeated. “They are in the mass grave in Sinjar, and I’m still fighting just to live in safety.” > > “I know the area very well that you’re talking about,” Trump responded. And it gets _worse_ from there. A frozen side of beef has more empathy. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34693 "2019-07-19T20:54:08Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Actually, Trump said “You had the Nobel prize” I suspect he thinks it’s like the Stanley Cup Please, pay attention to background, historical context. Of course Trump doesn’t think Nobel Prizes are like the Stanley Cup. That’d be absurd. He thinks they’re like the WWE belt. You know, something that’s all fixed up from the get go and is just a matter of knowing the right people and agreeing to the made up story. And making pennies off the rubes. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34694 "2019-07-19T21:09:54Z")
[Trump](https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1152301628567052289) on Omar, AOC and the Squad: > [@Donald Trump](#): > > “You can’t talk that way about our country. Not while I’m the president.” ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34695 "2019-07-19T21:17:27Z")
> [@](#): > > Murad: All of this happened to me. They killed my mum, my six brothers… > > Trump: Where are they now? > > Murad: “They Killed them…they are in the mass graves in Sinjar” I had a conversation like this once, where I had to explain how death works. But I was talking to a three year old. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34696 "2019-07-19T21:19:31Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Please, pay attention to background, historical context. Of course Trump doesn’t think Nobel Prizes are like the Stanley Cup. That’d be absurd. He thinks they’re like the WWE belt. You know, something that’s all fixed up from the get go and is just a matter of knowing the right people and agreeing to the made up story. And making pennies off the rubes. Putting in the right fix is probably how Trump thinks the Stanley Cup is awarded. Have you heard the stories about how he plays golf? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34697 "2019-07-19T21:21:23Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Thank you for this impassioned response that has absolutely nothing to do with the story at hand. I’m looking at the thread title and I’m seeing **The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making**. So I think I’m on topic. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34698 "2019-07-19T21:25:40Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Have you heard the stories about how he plays golf? [Yes.](https://www.golf.com/news/features/2019/04/02/how-why-president-trump-cheats-golf-playing-tiger-woods/) ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34699 "2019-07-19T21:28:21Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > I’d be curious to know why he held that meeting to begin with. > > It’s sort of like running on a pro-choice platform then holding a meeting with a bunch of fundies so that they can come to describe to you in the most grizzly details possible the process of vacuum aspiration abortion. > > Either someone forced him to do it, or it was set up as a way to troll everyone to begin with. I suspect he expected that this would be just a quick cogratulatory photo op. Like congratulating the winners of the superbowl he can congratulate the winners of the Peace prize and others who have recieved recognition, so he can post the picture on their Twitter feed. But then they just went on and on about all this depressing stuff happening in places he never heard of, using accents he can barely understand. Why can’t they just smile and talk about the prize they won? ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34700 "2019-07-20T01:14:34Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > [Trump](https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1152301628567052289) on Omar, AOC and the Squad: While I’ll grant that Trump does occasionally mention some beautiful thing that he’ll create for Americans, I would vote that it’s fair to say that the most common thing he does when talking politics is to bitch about America and say that everything about it is horrible. “Make America Great Again” is basically a slogan of, “This place sucks”. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34701 "2019-07-20T01:17:43Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > I suspect he expected that this would be just a quick cogratulatory photo op. Like congratulating the winners of the superbowl he can congratulate the winners of the Peace prize and others who have recieved recognition, so he can post the picture on their Twitter feed. But then they just went on and on about all this depressing stuff happening in places he never heard of, using accents he can barely understand. Why can’t they just smile and talk about the prize they won? Yeah. There might have been someone in his administration that explained this to him, but there is nothing on the other side of his ears. He can’t understand empathy because he can’t figure out what it is. To be a bit humble is very confusing for him too. Well not even confusing. He has absolutely no idea that there are others that have accomplished things. Not sure what the point is anymore. Vote. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34702 "2019-07-20T01:43:17Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > I’d be curious to know why he held that meeting to begin with. > > It’s sort of like running on a pro-choice platform then holding a meeting with a bunch of fundies so that they can come to describe to you in the most grizzly details possible the process of vacuum aspiration abortion. > > Either someone forced him to do it, or it was set up as a way to troll everyone to begin with. It could have started out as trolling. But it’s also possible that Trump thought he’d learn _how_ to get a Nobel Prize from the meeting. Or that he’d maybe be awarded a Nobel Prize for the very act of participating in the meeting. It was a real sacrifice, doing something that bored him so much! > [@](#): > > I sat there, so long, so much time, listening to this chick. Not bad, a bit flat-chested but not bad, but all she did was talk about boring stuff. Could barely speak English, can you believe it? And a bunch of other poor foreigners. None of them could ever afford to stay at one of my hotels, I can tell you that. And I could have been watching FoxNews! So where’s my Prize? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34703 "2019-07-20T05:21:35Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I see. So it’s the commercial airlines responsibility to ensure that kids, once in the United States, are not sent on their way without a parent or guardian being there? > > CBP should only check they have valid documents to enter the country and then send them on their way? > [@jayjay](#): > > Yes? This is something that’s done routinely every day. Border Patrol should be checking that the kids are citizens or RAs and deliver them to the airline’s office that takes care of unaccompanied until parents or guardians arrive. It’s not CBP’s JOB to hold kids that are documented. It’s the airline’s job, as the temporary in loco parentis. How hard is this to understand, really? > [@Slash1972](#): > > It’s not hard to understand, I just didn’t know. Not sure if you are aware of this, but if a person doesn’t know something, it usually requires asking people who DO know questions. Presumably, when a child unexpectedly transitions from “accompanied minor” to “unaccompanied minor,”\* airline professionals are prepared to handle the issue without the intervention of the CBP. \*i expect that this is a rare occurrence. But so was the incident under discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34704 "2019-07-20T20:21:34Z")
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