# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1737
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34725 "2019-07-22T17:26:14Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Presumably, when a child unexpectedly transitions from “accompanied minor” to “unaccompanied minor,”\* airline professionals are prepared to handle the issue without the intervention of the CBP. Presumably? So you are guessing? They didn’t transition from “accompanied minor” to “unaccompanied minor” on the plane, nor while exiting the plane, nor anytime during the flight. The airline would not even know about it, since it didn’t happen until they were at CBP. Perhaps you can explain who would handle the issue at a land-border crossing? I’m guessing not a lot of airline personnel around there either. ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34726 "2019-07-22T17:42:30Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > [Well, Trump finally went far enough to piss off the Evangelicals](https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2019/07/20/despite-trumps-racist-rally-some-christians-are-just-upset-he-said-goddamn/). Wow! That is really pathetic. But typical… ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34727 "2019-07-22T20:32:38Z")
Remember a week or so ago, when Mike Pence was going to go to New Hampshire and the flight was canceled at the last second, with no explanation? It may have had something to do with a potential meeting with a guy who had been charged with drug offenses. > **[Behind Pence’s Air Force Two cancellation: A drug dealer](https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/22/pence-air-force-two-heroin-bust-1425823)** > > The White House had been mum about the sudden cancellation of a vice presidential trip to New Hampshire earlier this month. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34728 "2019-07-22T20:35:32Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Yes, that’s why I specifically said “parent or guardian”. It’s right there in the post you quoted. So you think that children who only have a parent shouldn’t be able to travel except with the parent? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34729 "2019-07-22T21:01:28Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > So you think that children who only have a parent shouldn’t be able to travel except with the parent? No, I think that children who are US Citizens who are traveling with a guardian should not be released on their own recognizance at 3:00 AM when that guardian is not able to enter the United States. Similar to any other time when LE personnel arrest a parent or guardian of children. They, you know, take the children with them until another family member can be found to get them. I’m pretty sure I made my point clear earlier. US citizen children are travelling back to the States with their Aunt. When they get to CBP, the aunt is denied entry. At this point, what is CBP supposed to do? There are no airline people around. Why would the airline even know about it? As far as the airline is concerned the children were travelling with an adult. At this point, CBP tries to call another family member, the kids’ mother. She doesn’t want to come because she is afraid because she is undocumented. Again, at this point what do you want CBP to do? Just send the kids on their way at 3:00 AM with no parent or guardian with them? I honestly don’t understand what some of you are thinking. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34730 "2019-07-22T21:06:03Z")
[“We did a fantastic job in Puerto Rico”](https://www.wktv.com/content/national/492021721.html) is back in the news. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34731 "2019-07-22T21:17:11Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > No, I think that children who are US Citizens who are traveling with a guardian should not be released on their own recognizance at 3:00 AM when that guardian is not able to enter the United States. The person they were traveling with was not a guardian. Responsible adult, yes. Guardian, no. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34732 "2019-07-22T21:37:29Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > [“We did a fantastic job in Puerto Rico”](https://www.wktv.com/content/national/492021721.html) is back in the news. Not many people know that Puerto Rico is an island. Also, the golf courses there are shit, so who really cares anyway? ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34733 "2019-07-23T00:14:27Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > [“We did a fantastic job in Puerto Rico”](https://www.wktv.com/content/national/492021721.html) is back in the news. He’s become more incoherent and bizarre in the year since he made the comments in that article: > [@](#): > > [from thread by: Daniel Dale‏Verified account @ddale8 2h2 hours ago > Trump, on Puerto Rico, keeps saying things like, “The Congress of the United States handed them $92 billion.” That is not true. $90+ billion is a rough estimate of long-term costs. $42.5 billion has been allocated so far. FEMA has the numbers online. [Disaster Funding for 2017 - 2019 Hurricanes, California Wildfires and other Disasters | FEMA.gov](https://recovery.fema.gov/state-profiles) > > Trump on Puerto Rico: “I have a real understanding of Puerto Rico. I’ve had jobs in Puerto Rico. I had I think the most successful - I owned the Miss Universe contest, pageants, and we had them in Puerto Rico, twice, and I’ll tell you, we had tremendous successes.” > > Trump continued: “In fact, they said literally 100%, this never happens, I think it was close to 100, but 100% of the island itself was watching. They liked those pageants. I’ve had a great relationship with Puerto Rico. I’m the best thing that ever happened to Puerto Rico.” [https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1153364423479898114](https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1153364423479898114) It’s 25th-Amendment stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34734 "2019-07-23T00:36:34Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > The person they were traveling with was not a guardian. Responsible adult, yes. Guardian, no. Ok. I’m not sure how that changes anything in the analysis of the story. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34735 "2019-07-23T01:42:48Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Ok. I’m not sure how that changes anything in the analysis of the story. Geez, why not give it a rest? Is some magic “fact” from someone here going to convince you? I doubt it, so you’ll either continue worrying this point to death or learn to let go, relax, and move on to another topic… or web site. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34736 "2019-07-23T01:51:43Z")
> [@digs](#): > > Geez, why not give it a rest? Is some magic “fact” from someone here going to convince you? I doubt it, so you’ll either continue worrying this point to death or learn to let go, relax, and move on to another topic… or web site. Because I don’t have anything better to do. Also, why don’t you tell \*\*Nava \*\*to give it a rest? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34737 "2019-07-23T02:06:05Z")
Because **Nava** isn’t the one behaving like an asshole, is my guess. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34738 "2019-07-23T02:19:33Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Because **Nava** isn’t the one behaving like an asshole, is my guess. Sure, if “disagreeing with me” is your definition of “behaving like an asshole” ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34739 "2019-07-23T02:34:17Z")
Well, you ARE an asshole, so… ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34740 "2019-07-23T02:46:23Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Remember a week or so ago, when Mike Pence was going to go to New Hampshire and the flight was canceled at the last second, with no explanation? It may have had something to do with a potential meeting with a guy who had been charged with drug offenses. > [https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/22/pence-air-force-two-heroin-bust-1425823](https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/22/pence-air-force-two-heroin-bust-1425823) The guy in question: > [@](#): > > Jeff Hatch, who agreed in federal court Friday to plead guilty and will face up to four years in prison, works for an opioid addiction treatment center in southern New Hampshire that Pence was set to visit. A former New York Giants player, he has spoken publicly for years about his own challenge with drug and alcohol addiction, which ended his football career. I wondered why the guy’s name was familiar. It turns out he played high school football in my hometown about ten years after I did and made it to the NFL, not a very common occurrence. The story says Hatch started taking opioids for a football injury and became addicted. But he was now dealing, which is what the sentence is about. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34741 "2019-07-23T02:52:31Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > Well, you ARE an asshole, so… Good point, but it’s not topic specific 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34742 "2019-07-23T04:46:08Z")
Individual 1 claims that the Prime Minister of India asked him to mediate the dispute between India and Pakistan over Kashmirr. The Indian government official spokesman said, “No such request has been made by Prime Minister to the US President.” > ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34743 "2019-07-23T05:30:15Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Individual 1 claims that the Prime Minister of India asked him to mediate the dispute between India and Pakistan over Kashmirr. > The Indian government official spokesman said, “No such request has been made by Prime Minister to the US President.” > [https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1153381144861089793](https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1153381144861089793) Of course, Chump’s base will know you can’t trust anything those lying Indians say. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/34744 "2019-07-23T05:49:10Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Presumably? So you are guessing? They didn’t transition from “accompanied minor” to “unaccompanied minor” on the plane, nor while exiting the plane, nor anytime during the flight. The airline would not even know about it, since it didn’t happen until they were at CBP. > > Perhaps you can explain who would handle the issue at a land-border crossing? I’m guessing not a lot of airline personnel around there either. I’ve never flown internationally before so I don’t know. Do passengers hit customs before or after baggage claim? Also, of COURSE I’m guessing. I’ve never worked for an airline. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1736) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1738)