# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1754
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35065 "2019-07-30T22:35:53Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > My point is that one side is willing to kill the other to get what they want. If that side is large enough, IMO, that side will win; i.e get what they want. And I don’t think it takes an extraordinarily large number of people to effect that win. FFS read what I wrote: it’s about perception. The Right is just as convinced that their positions/opinions are correct as the left. The difference is that the Right regularly threatens and uses violence to get what they want. That’s the point, not:Here’s the conclusion you should draw: they will kill you. Is that clear enough? What will you do about that? They are so strong in their perception that they are correct and what they want is good and what you want is bad that they will kill you and other people to get what they want. They will and have banded together in armed groups and defied the federal government, with largely no consequences. > > How much do you want what you want? > > And if they aren’t killing people, they’ll be doing what they can to make as many lives miserable as possible. Regulations, extra-legal detention centers, laws that deny people rights… these things are already happening. When would you be outraged enough about people being rounded up in detention centers and held unlawfully to go and tear down a fence around such a place? Because the other side is enraged enough that they put up the detention centers and the fences already, and they guard them with loaded weapons. > > You don’t have to answer now; I just think the Left should really start thinking about this in realistic terms. Trump’s backers are not about to stop what they’ve been doing for the past 4 decades or so, not when they are so close to the tipping point, setting us down a path which we cannot stop traversing until they are fully in control. They have more support in the general population now than they ever have before and they aren’t about to waste that momentum: they’re swinging the wrecking ball like tweekers with a piñata. And they will kill to keep on that path. > > Plan for the worst; hope for the best. > > What will you do when Trump loses the election in 2020, cries fraud and refuses to vacate the White House, wth military and police protecting him and the Senate backing him? So what should we do? Kill them first in a preemptive strike? Curl up in a little ball and wait to die? I’m still not clear what it is you are advocating. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35066 "2019-07-30T23:01:58Z")
I don’t think he’s advocating anything so much as he’s asking open questions. And they’re sort of valid (or conceivable) too : to me, it’s likely Trump will lose the next election - he might even lose his primary. But it also seems likely to me he’ll make a huge narcissistic psycho stink about it ; AND it seems likely he’ll find some among his echo chamber to physically, gun-havingically try to enforce his staying in the white house forever, on whatever grounds you could care to name. At this point, what ? What do YOU advocate ? (FTR : I advocate guillotines, but then I’m French, it’s traditional) ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35067 "2019-07-30T23:09:06Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > I don’t think he’s advocating anything so much as he’s asking open questions. And they’re sort of valid (or conceivable) too : to me, it’s likely Trump will lose the next election - he might even lose his primary. But it also seems likely to me he’ll make a huge narcissistic psycho stink about it ; AND it seems likely he’ll find some among his echo chamber to physically, gun-havingically try to enforce his staying in the white house forever, on whatever grounds you could care to name. > > At this point, what ? What do YOU advocate ? > (FTR : I advocate guillotines, but then I’m French, it’s traditional) I don’t think for one instant that Trump will manage to remain in office after he’s been elected out. The more interesting part will be what he tries to do to avoid that happening - suspending elections? Screaming election fraud? But if the chips end up falling such that his term is recognized as being done and he decides to sit down, stick his lip out, and refuse to move, I’m absolutely certain he will be properly evicted without difficulty or fuss. And any idiots who attempt to storm the white house with rifles will simply die. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35068 "2019-07-30T23:58:39Z")
1. Trump and his entire family has made their way in the world by coning and lying. 2. Trump watches a lot of TV. 3. I suspect that Trump, unhinged as he is, believes some if not all of the lies that he tells. He inserts himself into situations that he sees on TV. Trump has to make such a narrative, believable or not, that HE believes. It’s the only way to keep it going. To keep the Mark on the hook. It’s his entire ‘business model’. SOP. He has to believe it to make a successful con. He isn’t that good of an actor. 4. Trump has a complete and total inability to question himself or his decisions. So, the ideas or situations that he inserts himself into on TV must be true (think about his recent claims about being ‘there’ at 9/11). 5. Since Trump can’t question himself, he will believe that he has done everything he said he would (wall etc.). 6. When he is voted out, he will say he has done every thing he promised, and has been the best President ever. ^ That’s one possibility. In short. A conman that has conned himself. It’s what he does. Or perhaps… Somewhere in his shrinking brain, he understands that he may be in a shit load of trouble if he does not get re-elected (NYSD etc. etc. etc.). He has bribed and threatened his way out of trouble all of his life. That is his SOP. He knows nothing else. He will whine and temper tantrum like the 5 year old that he is. He will try, somehow, to remain in the Oval Office. That ain’t gonna work. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35069 "2019-07-31T00:36:30Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > I am curious to know which direction China decides to go with Trump. If they believe that he’s the beginning of the end for the US, they might decide that they don’t care about the US market and have no interest in gaining access to it except on their own terms. But if they view him as an aberration and that the US will continue to be a giant market for the long term, they might try to get a trade deal with him just before the election, knowing that he’ll accept a bad deal for America so long as it gives him something that (at first glance) looks like a win, just before people head to the voting booth. > > The trade war gives China immense ability to swing the 2020 election. Excellent point. And of course the Chinese have been keeping close tabs on Trump all along: > [@](#): > > But the Chinese and Russians probably know because they’re listening in to a private iPhone he uses on such calls, The New York Times reported Wednesday. > > Trump quickly denied the report, calling it “soooo wrong” on Twitter. “A new Fake Story” says the Russians and Chinese “are listening to all of my calls on cellphones. Except that I rarely use a cellphone," he tweeted from, well, a cellphone. > > … Even if classified secrets are never discussed, the Chinese and Russians can glean important understanding of Trump, his policies and his thinking just by listening to conversations with intimate advisers, including top business leaders with interests in China. Moreover, cellphones have other vulnerabilities that can allow their cameras and microphones to be compromised, location data to be shared and passwords to be stolen. [President Donald Trump, please put down your personal iPhone](https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/10/25/president-donald-trump-please-put-down-your-iphone-editorials-debates/1764746002/) As unstable as Trump is, they’re unlikely to be able to glean as much information from any other President—so they may well favor keeping him in place. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35070 "2019-07-31T00:48:57Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > …As unstable as Trump is, they’re unlikely to be able to glean as much information from any other President—so they may well favor keeping him in place. As will the Russians. Trump has appointed a DNI that will ignore attempts by foreign country’s to fuck with us in any way they please. A man that would like to oppress those that try to control it. Mitch is doing it as well. If a football team had a moron for a coach, of course the opposition will try to keep that moron in place. A moron that kisses their ass, and kicks good players off of their own team. That’s Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35071 "2019-07-31T00:59:33Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > As will the Russians. > > Trump has appointed a DNI that will ignore attempts by foreign country’s to fuck with us in any way they please. A man that would like to oppress those that try to control it. Mitch is doing it as well. > > If a football team had a moron for a coach, of course the opposition will try to keep that moron in place. > > A moron that kisses their ass, and kicks good players off of their own team. That’s Trump. And takes bribes to lose games. And sells his team’s playbook to any who’ll pay. And spends most of his time attacking his own team’s players and supporters. And spends the rest of his time bragging about how he’s the Best Coach of All Time, and whining that he hasn’t been awarded the Vince Lombardi Trophy even though he’s never coached a Super Bowl team. (Assuming American football in all this, of course.) ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35072 "2019-07-31T01:19:34Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > And takes bribes to lose games. And sells his team’s playbook to any who’ll pay. > > And spends most of his time attacking his own team’s players and supporters. > > And spends the rest of his time bragging about how he’s the Best Coach of All Time, and whining that he hasn’t been awarded the Vince Lombardi Trophy even though he’s never coached a Super Bowl team. > (Assuming American football in all this, of course.) You forgot the Nobel Peace Prize that he wants to ‘take’ from Obama. I really don’t understand how ANYONE can be on the fence about Trump. You’re either a racist idiot that supports a criminal, or you’re not. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35073 "2019-07-31T01:47:48Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > I really don’t understand how ANYONE can be on the fence about Trump. > > You’re either a racist idiot that supports a criminal, or you’re not. Wealthy people who want to keep their tax breaks, and don’t give a damn about the little people. ---
**Author:** ![glowacks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/glowacks/32/5548_2.png) [@glowacks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glowacks)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35074 "2019-07-31T03:32:08Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > You forgot the Nobel Peace Prize that he wants to ‘take’ from Obama. > > I really don’t understand how ANYONE can be on the fence about Trump. > > You’re either a racist idiot that supports a criminal, or you’re not. Supreme Court judges. That’s all that matters to some people. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35075 "2019-07-31T05:28:45Z")
Do conservative judges really promote what the GOP base wants? Because it seems the GOP has thrown their ideology right out the window and are no longer conservatives. Sure, they’ll talk a good game about the evils of the Federal Government if it helps Putin keep interfering in elections to keep them in power, but Get In Bed With Russia seems like the apex of not-conservative-anymore ideology. Maybe they suppress abortion. Is that by itself worth it? Because I don’t see what else they get out of Trumpism, other than sabotaging their own party with idiocy for the fleeting thrill of feeling like they are sticking it to the libs. I mean, have you watched Fox lately? Ffs, their caricature of liberals doesn’t describe any large segment of the country either. The conservative movement is intellectually bankrupt except for the tax cuts for the wealthy. Do all these Trump nutbars really believe people qualified for the bench are going to promote their blithering ideology? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35076 "2019-07-31T07:24:18Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > … Because I don’t see what else they get out of Trumpism, other than sabotaging their own party with idiocy for the fleeting thrill of feeling like they are sticking it to the libs. We are talking about Republican Amygdaladytes here. Their behavior patterns are almost purely reactive. To suggest that they even understand the concept of side- and long-term-effects is a wholly untenable reach. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35077 "2019-07-31T12:52:35Z")
Lots of Republican voters I know, especially the farmers, vote their way for exactly one reason. “Democrats are going to raise your taxes.” ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35078 "2019-07-31T13:53:58Z")
Well, as the trade wars grind on and global markets are closed to our farmers’ products, there will soon be a lot less farmers left to believe that! ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35079 "2019-07-31T13:59:09Z")
Yeah, but Trump has a 'plan" for that. He bails them out using other people’s money. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35080 "2019-07-31T14:04:23Z")
But it isn’t socialism because farmers are mostly white? Well, wait till the trillion dollars deficits catch up with us and those subsidies have to be cut, along with truly socialist problems like SS and Medicare. Those darn Democrats are working on it as we sit here! ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35081 "2019-07-31T14:19:56Z")
Yeah, I’m not saying that any of it makes any sense. And this doesn’t even mention those who vote Republican solely for: “Abortion is murder.” It doesn’t matter what else voting for Republicans results in, because “abortion is murder”. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35082 "2019-07-31T15:58:17Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > Do conservative judges really promote what the GOP base wants? Because it seems the GOP has thrown their ideology right out the window and are no longer conservatives. Sure, they’ll talk a good game about the evils of the Federal Government if it helps Putin keep interfering in elections to keep them in power, but Get In Bed With Russia seems like the apex of not-conservative-anymore ideology. > > Maybe they suppress abortion. Is that by itself worth it? Because I don’t see what else they get out of Trumpism, other than sabotaging their own party with idiocy for the fleeting thrill of feeling like they are sticking it to the libs. > > I mean, have you watched Fox lately? Ffs, their caricature of liberals doesn’t describe any large segment of the country either. The conservative movement is intellectually bankrupt except for the tax cuts for the wealthy. Do all these Trump nutbars really believe **people qualified for the bench** are going to promote their blithering ideology? See bolded above. This is where you went wrong. Trump is putting up people for the bench who are **absolutely not qualified** and they are being approved. > **[13 Troubling Judicial Nominees You Missed This Year](https://www.americanprogress.org/article/13-troubling-judicial-nominees-missed-year/)** > > These 13 nominees may have stayed under the radar, but they are poised to shape the U.S. judiciary branch for decades to come. “In short, the Trump administration and its allies in the Senate are working at a breakneck pace to turn the federal courts into a hyper-conservative body that will implement a partisan political agenda from the bench.” ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35083 "2019-07-31T16:00:56Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > Well, as the trade wars grind on and global markets are closed to our farmers’ products, there will soon be a lot less farmers left to believe that! This is patently wrong. There will soon be a lot _ **fewer** _ farmers left. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35084 "2019-07-31T16:02:34Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Lots of Republican voters I know, especially the farmers, vote their way for exactly one reason. “Democrats are going to raise your taxes.” and guns. Don’t ever forget the horror of universal background checks. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1753) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1755)