# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1767
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35325 "2019-08-10T22:12:47Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > Ditto. Brooks’s columns have been batshit crazy for the past couple of years, heavy on the philosophic and theological ruminations, as if anyone cared about his opinions on such matters. In yesterday’s column, he awarded “grades” to the Boomers on various criteria such as “social causes” and “the fine arts” — I couldn’t bring myself to read it. After the election, he could no longer bang the conservative drum, so he went off into vague “values” type topics that no one for a minute believes he cares about. > [@](#): > > I will never feel sorry for him. In addition to being a general shithead, he dumped his wife and married his much younger employee like a common Gingrich. Maybe rather than saying I feel sorry for him, I’ll say he has become pathetic and he should retire instead of continuing to embarrass himself. He’s not worthy to polish (or lick) Paul Krugman’s shoes. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35326 "2019-08-10T22:15:26Z")
Friend of Trump and HUD official Lynne Patton blames Hillary for the Epstein “suicide”. [https://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/article/Trump-Official-Promotes-Clinton-Conspiracy-Theory-14295259.php](https://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/article/Trump-Official-Promotes-Clinton-Conspiracy-Theory-14295259.php) ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35327 "2019-08-10T23:31:36Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Friend of Trump and HUD official Lynne Patton blames Hillary for the Epstein “suicide”. > [https://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/article/Trump-Official-Promotes-Clinton-Conspiracy-Theory-14295259.php](https://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/article/Trump-Official-Promotes-Clinton-Conspiracy-Theory-14295259.php) That’s been the line on Twitter, certainly: Hillary had Epstein killed! The details are a bit lacking. How Hillary got her assassin into a prison run by the federal government–a government headed by people not very friendly toward Hillary–remains unexplained. The other theme pushed by Trump enablers such as Rod Rosenstein is that ‘pedophiles commit suicide in prison all the time and you can’t really do anything to stop them.’ It’s very weaksauce; professionals in the field expressed great surprise at the idea that Epstein was able to commit suicide: > [@](#): > > Sam Bagenstos ✔ @sbagen > Scandalous. I supervised jail suicide investigations at DOJ. Experts will tell you that it’s essentially always true that jail inmate suicides are preventable, so when one happens it represents a _major_ failure on the part of the jail. [https://twitter.com/gregmitch/status/1160193100955959296](https://twitter.com/gregmitch/status/1160193100955959296) … > > Greg Mitchell @GregMitch > Among other things incredible dereliction by prison: Jeffrey Epstein Commits Suicide at Manhattan Jail [https://nyti.ms/2YZA51O](https://nyti.ms/2YZA51O) > **[Everything We Know About Jeffrey Epstein’s Death](https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/08/jeffrey-epstein-dies-by-suicide-report.html)** > > Attorney General Barr announced that he’s removed the acting Bureau of Prisons chief in the wake of Epstein’s death by suicide. > [@](#): > > …for reasons still unknown as of Saturday afternoon, Epstein was taken off of suicide watch on July 29 and returned to the MCC’s special housing unit, according to the Times. Typically, that should have only happened if the prison’s chief psychologist approved the change after evaluating the inmate and justifying why they are no longer at risk of harming themselves. _ibid_ There is a story here. But William Barr is in charge of the investigation, so we may never know what really happened. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35328 "2019-08-10T23:48:08Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > There is a story here. But William Barr is in charge of the investigation, so we may never know what really happened. I hear Mueller’s at loose ends. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2019, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35329 "2019-08-11T00:18:39Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > After the election, he could no longer bang the conservative drum, so he went off into vague “values” type topics that no one for a minute believes he cares about. Yale invited him to be a special lecturer, so now Brooks thinks he’s a Big Thinker. Cory Lewandowski and Sean Spicer got invited to Harvard. Our fancy Universities should really give more thought as to with which pigs they wish to lie. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2019, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35330 "2019-08-11T00:23:41Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > I hear Mueller’s at loose ends. Great idea, if he’d do it (bet he wouldn’t) and if Barr would let anyone with integrity within a mile of the investigation (know he won’t). It’s really very depressing. Next we should be looking at stories about Manhattan Correctional Center personnel mysteriously falling out of windows, and/or unexpectedly coming into money and moving to countries without US extradition treaties. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2019, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35331 "2019-08-11T00:27:01Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > Yale invited him to be a special lecturer, so now Brooks thinks he’s a Big Thinker. > > Cory Lewandowski and Sean Spicer got invited to Harvard. Our fancy Universities should really give more thought as to with which pigs they wish to lie. Given those names–at least the latter two–one has to assume that there are boatloads of donation cash involved. Dark-money guys like people such as Lewandowski and Spicer because when given a party line, they will stick to it. ‘What this nation needs is for Congress to go away’ and the like. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2019, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35332 "2019-08-11T02:51:52Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Friend of Trump and HUD official Lynne Patton blames Hillary for the Epstein “suicide”. > [https://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/article/Trump-Official-Promotes-Clinton-Conspiracy-Theory-14295259.php](https://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/article/Trump-Official-Promotes-Clinton-Conspiracy-Theory-14295259.php) As someone on Twitter said, “if Hilary is that powerful, how is Bill still alive”? ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2019, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35333 "2019-08-11T11:55:04Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > As someone on Twitter said, “if Hilary is that powerful, how is Bill still alive”? They’re powerful together, like Voltron or Captain Planet. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2019, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35334 "2019-08-11T12:16:02Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > As someone on Twitter said, “if Hilary is that powerful, how is Bill still alive”? If she were that powerful, why is Trump occupying the White House? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2019, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35335 "2019-08-11T12:41:11Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > If she were that powerful, why is Trump occupying the White House? She playing the long game. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2019, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35336 "2019-08-11T12:59:33Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > As someone on Twitter said, “if Hilary is that powerful, how is Bill still alive”? And how could she lose Pennsylvania? ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2019, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35337 "2019-08-11T13:45:03Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > That’s been the line on Twitter, certainly: Hillary had Epstein killed! The details are a bit lacking. How Hillary got her assassin into a prison run by the federal government–a government headed by people not very friendly toward Hillary–remains unexplained. She persuaded the prison staff to look the other way by promising them pubescent nooky in that pizza place basement. Being mostly Republicans they, of course, jumped at the chance to emulate Dear Leader. Do try to keep up. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_McQwark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4da419/32.png) [@Steve\_McQwark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_McQwark)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2019, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35338 "2019-08-11T13:54:54Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > She persuaded the prison staff to look the other way by promising them pubescent nooky in that pizza place basement. Being mostly Republicans they, of course, jumped at the chance to emulate Dear Leader. Do try to keep up. Oh, it was part of a turf war. So, Epstein’s stable of girls was competition for the pizza place so she had him knocked off as a warning to anyone else who might think of muscling in on her territory. Have I got that right? I’m so confused. My clusterfuck chart is a complete mess; there’s so many dots connected that it looks like a damn Jackson Pollock painting. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2019, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35339 "2019-08-11T14:04:18Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > As someone on Twitter said, “if Hilary is that powerful, how is Bill still alive”? To make you ask this very question of course. And thus, blanketed in your false sense of security re:Killhary and blinded by her obvious ruse, you now defend her and, complicit, deny the TRUTH. You have now become her unwitting agent. Soon you’ll kill for her. And the full house of domino falls from the 3 point line : checkmate and _dix de der_. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2019, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35340 "2019-08-11T14:05:27Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > …I can’t help but think of [Beethoven and Napoleon:](https://www.historytoday.com/archive/music-time/beethoven-and-napoleon) Thanks for that Thelma, I forwarded that to my cousin. She is very much a Beethoven fan and musician. She also has the same opinion of Trump as do all thinking people. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2019, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35341 "2019-08-11T14:13:47Z")
> [@Steve\_McQwark](#): > > Oh, it was part of a turf war. So, Epstein’s stable of girls was competition for the pizza place so she had him knocked off as a warning to anyone else who might think of muscling in on her territory. Have I got that right? I’m so confused. My clusterfuck chart is a complete mess; there’s so many dots connected that it looks like a damn Jackson Pollock painting. For myself, I see it as a yarn shop full of cats. Dumb cats. Trump will be long dead before he and his cronies crimes can ever be cataloged and investigated. This is his goal. It will take decades and will need its own wiki. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2019, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35342 "2019-08-11T14:49:00Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > For myself, I see it as a yarn shop full of cats. Dumb cats. > > Trump will be long dead before he and his cronies crimes can ever be cataloged and investigated. This is his goal. It will take decades and will need its own wiki. For Trump? It should be called a faki. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2019, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35343 "2019-08-11T18:08:42Z")
Former John Gotti “associate” claims that Barr visited the prison where Epstein was being held two weeks before his death. > **[Jeffrey Epstein could have ‘paid’ for help with suicide: Former Gotti pal](https://nypost.com/2019/08/11/former-gotti-confidant-says-jail-where-jeffrey-epstein-died-catered-toward-wealthy-inmates/)** > > The jail where Jeffrey Epstein apparently hanged himself was a nest of corruption in the early ’90s, according to one of late mobster John Gotti Sr.’s top associates — who insists it… ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35344 "2019-08-12T13:48:54Z")
[Don’t say the Trumps ever let a fine moment to show how shitty they are go unmolested.](https://news.yahoo.com/twitter-ivanka-trump-eid-mubarak-message-muslims-233902039.html) Put here because of her position with the administration. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1766) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1768)