# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1790
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2019, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35785 "2019-08-24T00:13:46Z")
Okay, SDMB conservatards. Come out of hiding and show yer fuckin…usernames. Answer for your vote. You voted someone who’s utterly fucking insane into office. Voting in that in-bred wet brain GWB into power and wrecking the economy wasn’t enough. No, you fuckers had to double down with this shit ass. Come out, cowardly fucks! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2019, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35786 "2019-08-24T00:28:07Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Pence wouldn’t run his mouth like an idiot teenager bragging to idiot buddies about how great and smart he is. His is a more quiet sort of evil. Cancer to Trump’s scorching gonorrhea, if you will. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2019, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35787 "2019-08-24T01:12:25Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Yes, exactly, this. > > I guess the question is, what’s worth - effective awful within normal parameters, or only somewhat effective awful outside those limits. I feel like it was pretty reasonable to argue in 2017 or so that Trump wouldn’t push those limits so hard, or that he would be very ineffective, but at this point… Nah. I’ll take a Bush-esque administration over this any day. I think you mean _what’s worse_. 🙂 That being said, Trump does operate within parameters. Or I should say _parameter_, as he only has one: \*What will give him money and/or praise[?/i] Does it hurt someone? Not an issue! Is it illegal? Not an issue! > [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > American companies are hereby ordered to start shifting their political donations to candidates who understand how shit works. Oh, we’re seeing how shit works. Trump is shit. That’s all he is. > [@running\_coach](#): > > Probably misread that as Nacho Man. 😃 > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > A call for autarky. Now who does that remind me of? :D:D Nice touch using the Deutsche Schreibweise. > [@mhendo](#): > > Can you imagine the wailing and gnashing of teeth among Republicans, and the outraged cries of “Socialism!” and/or “Dictatorship!” if Obama had said something similar? I honestly lost track during the eight years of the last real presidency. Didn’t the loony 'luplikins accuse Obama of just that? > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > You mean _juche_? Жуче That’s using the [Russian script for Korean](https://omniglot.com/conscripts/kirillguel.htm). Fitting seeing as Tan the Conman has a Russian dictator master and is “in love with” a North Korean dictator. > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > What’s ironic is that Trump has treated his other allies and trading partners like shit since he was elected. I know that Canadian companies have been making serious moves for the past 18 months to find alternatives to trade with the USA. New supply chains, trade agreements with other countries, etc. The US has shown that it cannot be trusted, so other trading partners need to be developed. Nobody even needed to order them to do it! I wonder what’s going to happen first: Tan the Conman orders Canadian companies to do business only with America or he says America’s going to buy Canada. (After all, Canada is “The Great White North”. He just has to love that: _great_ and _white_. > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Exactly. \ “Oh wow, maybe we should inspect packages coming from China for fentanyl. Who knew? Thank you for telling us, oh Chosen One” This is absolutely no different than the \*inspection tours" that NK’s leaders do. > [@SteveG1](#): > > So much for big gubbermint staying out of bizniz things 'n stuff. > > I am starting to believe he really wants to tank the economy… so long as he thinks he can blame someone else for his shit. > > Why? Because Putin would LOVE it, and by now we all should know Trump is Putin’s bitch. Yep. I wonder if Trump is even aware that if he benefits from something but it actually harms somene/is illegal, “but it’s good for me” is not an excuse to do it. > [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > [Stocks tumble as Trump urges US companies out of China](https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/stocks-tumble-as-trump-urges-us-companies-out-of-china/ar-AAGaqiF?li=BBnbfcN) I’m not convinced the SOB understands how money works. > [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Trump should keep his mouth shut. Would that were possible. > [@k9bfriender](#): > > Does that mean that they will be rejecting shipments of fentanyl for legitimate purposes? > > It does have legitimate purposes, surgery and late stage cancer, and I don’t want to have to tell people that they cannot live their last days in comfort because Trump banned what they needed. > > But how will his buddies make their fortunes off of short selling? “What do you mean ‘legitimate purposes’? It can’t be both legal and bad at the same time. Look at me. I’m in perfect health. The Navy doctor says so. The best Navy in the world since I became president. Before that under lying Obama it wasn’t. Nobody knew! I mean nobody!!! I’ve never had cancer. And now I don’t have to worry about it. That’s why my administration is going to cure cancer. Why didn’t anyone think of this before me? Only the best mind could think of that. The BEST MIND!!! And why did they get cancer? It’s because the invaders from all those Mexican countries are bringing all kinds of diseases. If you get cancer since my adminisration has cured it it’s your fault! Why would get cancer when, and my doctors will be showing the incompetent doctors who didn’t even think of it, what that cure is. They’re going to do that, maybe not in two or three weeks, but maybe at the right time. And we’re running out of time. Those illegals are sucking money from America. And when I say America, I mean Trump. They’re taking my money! Now they want more free health care while they’re locked up by the Boder Patrol. The best border patrol. The best! And those wonderful guys, who speak Great ENGLISH, patrol the BEST BODRDER in the world. And it’s the best because I’m president. Remember if it says “TRUMP” it’s the best. Only the best. Only the best people. And what do you mean “short”? Nothing on me is short. I’m taller than any other president. And nothing, not even my fingers, are short. And my writing is better than any English professor. That’s why universities use my book. Only the best book. Thta’s why I only wrote one. And that’s what America’s about: selling. Remember that. Remember that so you can buy the president again in 2020 and maybe again and again after that!” ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2019, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35788 "2019-08-24T01:13:44Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Cults of personality last about as long as TV ratings, and for the same reasons. I don’t see it as a cult of Trump personally that’s the problem, but that there is so much of a market for his brand of hate and ignorance. That will live on, but can be defeated. Scientology is still a thing, and Hubbard has been dead for over 30 years. Admittedly, Trump has not started a formal religion, but he’s also got a lot more people in the cult. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2019, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35789 "2019-08-24T01:22:15Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > Scientology is still a thing, and Hubbard has been dead for over 30 years. Admittedly, Trump has not started a formal religion, but he’s also got a lot more people in the cult. And there’s the difference between Pence and Trump. One believes he speaks for God, the other believes he _is_ God. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2019, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35790 "2019-08-24T01:55:09Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > But that’s not the main reason he doesn’t want to go to the G-7 meeting. The main reason is that the other heads of state are pretty much over hiding their contempt for him. Donald knows he faces days of sitting in rooms full of faces looking at him with distaste. He faces days of no one deferring to him or flattering him or telling him how wonderful he is. He faces days of being ignored and excluded. If only he could invite his [BFF to come along to the party](https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/08/22/russia-rejoices-over-trumps-g7-readmission-offer-a66981) he’d have someone hang out with and not look like such a loser around the cool kids. But alas it was not meant to be. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2019, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35791 "2019-08-24T02:41:58Z")
Come out, fuckers!!! Defend your stable genius!!! Time to lock up conservatives. Time to throw them in jail. We need a gofundme to purchase land in Nevada so that we can build those education camps!!! p.s. Fuck you Hurricane SHITka! I don’t care if you think “OMG! Dangerous!” Your fucking stupidity is fucking dangerous. Fuck you all, you fucking beggars. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2019, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35792 "2019-08-24T02:51:23Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > Scientology is still a thing, and Hubbard has been dead for over 30 years. Admittedly, Trump has not started a formal religion, but he’s also got a lot more people in the cult. The difference between a cult and a religion is that, in a cult there is a person at the top who knows it’s all bullshit, and in a religion that person is dead. ---
**Author:** ![steatopygia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steatopygia/32/3132_2.png) [@steatopygia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steatopygia)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2019, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35793 "2019-08-24T02:54:29Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Come out, fuckers!!! Defend your stable genius!!! > > Time to lock up conservatives. Time to throw them in jail. We need a gofundme to purchase land in Nevada so that we can build those education camps!!! > > p.s. Fuck you Hurricane SHITka! I don’t care if you think “OMG! Dangerous!” Your fucking stupidity is fucking dangerous. Fuck you all, you fucking beggars. Call your sponsor. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2019, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35794 "2019-08-24T02:58:39Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Come out, fuckers!!! Defend your stable genius!!! > > Time to lock up conservatives. Time to throw them in jail. We need a gofundme to purchase land in Nevada so that we can build those education camps!!! > > p.s. Fuck you Hurricane SHITka! I don’t care if you think “OMG! Dangerous!” Your fucking stupidity is fucking dangerous. Fuck you all, you fucking beggars. As I said before, Vodka is a hell of a drug. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2019, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35795 "2019-08-24T03:00:27Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > The difference between a cult and a religion is that, in a cult there is a person at the top who knows it’s all bullshit, and in a religion that person is dead. I love this ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2019, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35796 "2019-08-24T03:02:07Z")
> [@steatopygia](#): > > Call your sponsor. 😉 Yeah, that was pretty bad. For a second I thought I was on a comments page at Breitbart, only with the sides reversed. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2019, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35797 "2019-08-24T03:25:48Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > I love this Thanks. I stole it from someone. Maybe someone here. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2019, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35798 "2019-08-24T03:31:10Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > And there’s the difference between Pence and Trump. One believes he speaks for God, the other believes he _is_ God. Have you seen the way Pence looks at Trump? He _does_ believe he speaks for God. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2019, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35799 "2019-08-24T04:03:16Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Have you seen the way Pence looks at Trump? He _does_ believe he speaks for God. When Pence stands beside Trump and gazes at him like he’s the greatest man he’s ever seen, he’s thinking of [Cyrus](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQBIBjbpzoQ). ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2019, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35800 "2019-08-24T04:14:10Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > And any maggot who defends this piece of shit president and his corrupt cronies is a fucking moron, and that’s being insulting to morons. Hear, hear. Donald J. Trump: the kidney stone of the nation. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2019, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35801 "2019-08-24T04:16:36Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Trump isn’t really a racist or a white supremacist, he’s selfish and greedy and short sighted, he’s a Trump supremacist, and he will ally or enable anyone who will follow him, then discard them without a thought. From housing discrimination to the Central Park Five to the Birther foulness to shithole countries to Charlottesville to The Squad, Trump has amply proven himself a racist scumbag. What, we’re supposed to give him the benefit of the doubt? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2019, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35802 "2019-08-24T04:27:06Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > I think you mean _what’s worse_. 🙂 > > That being said, Trump does operate within parameters. Or I should say _parameter_, as he only has one: \*What will give him money and/or praise[?/i] Does it hurt someone? Not an issue! Is it illegal? Not an issue! And it doesn’t actually matter if he really “wins” or not, he’ll just say he did and give himself a trophy. By most accounts he’s lost more in the private sector than he’s gained, and he is doing it now with our country. It’s like gambling addiction. You get a big win from time to time, and that more than justifies the small (and big) losses, even if it doesn’t actually compensate for them. He’s a loser at business. Every business he’s touched has died. He has made money by working for a TV network as a reality TV host, he’s gotten people to pay him royalties for the use of his name, and of course he skims a bit off the top from the Russian, human trafficking, and terrorist money laundering he allegedly runs. His only successes are when he can bully someone smaller, when he can lean on and intimidate them into submission. That’s how he gets out of paying contractors other small businesses that he does business with. And that’s a win. When he can’t bully, he tantrums, and less out of pity and more that he’s incessantly annoying, they buy him his damn lunch box and then fuck his mother. He calls that a win. > [@](#): > > “What do you mean ‘legitimate purposes’? It can’t be both legal and bad at the same time. Look at me. I’m in perfect health. The Navy doctor says so. The best Navy in the world since I became president. Before that under lying Obama it wasn’t. Nobody knew! I mean nobody!!! I’ve never had cancer. And now I don’t have to worry about it. That’s why my administration is going to cure cancer. Why didn’t anyone think of this before me? Only the best mind could think of that. The BEST MIND!!! And why did they get cancer? It’s because the invaders from all those Mexican countries are bringing all kinds of diseases. If you get cancer since my adminisration has cured it it’s your fault! Why would get cancer when, and my doctors will be showing the incompetent doctors who didn’t even think of it, what that cure is. They’re going to do that, maybe not in two or three weeks, but maybe at the right time. And we’re running out of time. Those illegals are sucking money from America. And when I say America, I mean Trump. They’re taking my money! Now they want more free health care while they’re locked up by the Boder Patrol. The best border patrol. The best! And those wonderful guys, who speak Great ENGLISH, patrol the BEST BODRDER in the world. And it’s the best because I’m president. Remember if it says “TRUMP” it’s the best. Only the best. Only the best people. And what do you mean “short”? Nothing on me is short. I’m taller than any other president. And nothing, not even my fingers, are short. And my writing is better than any English professor. That’s why universities use my book. Only the best book. Thta’s why I only wrote one. And that’s what America’s about: selling. Remember that. Remember that so you can buy the president again in 2020 and maybe again and again after that!” I don’t know if you stroked out while writing that, or I had an aneurysm reading it, but at least one of us could probably get a prescription for it now. > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > And don’t think Pence doesn’t understand that pandering to them is his only chance to win. He’ll just do it with a different style. I dunno, I banking on it being with less style. I just don’t see him inspire the same levels of loyalty and hate as Trump does. I could be wrong, but when you know the devil you know is going to kill you, then the devil you don’t know is worth a shot. I just don’t see Pence as being as dangerous as a wannabe fascist dictator. > [@](#): > > I wish there was a way to be sure that he wants there to be a US rather than Gilead. We’re not going to get to handmaiden’s tale with a generous dozen months left in a Pence term. We may have far more immediate and long lasting consequences in that time left by a senile bully with delusions of competency. > [@](#): > > Depends entirely on how much confidence the deplorables will still have in him. His base remains strong but in the minority (62% disapproval) and with no growth potential, but Pence is much less well known and therefore much less hated. Successfully using impeachment or the 25th would mean that public sentiment had gone pretty strongly against Trump, and what’s left of the base would disapprove of Pence for collaborating with the govt that performed a coup on their chosen one. My only objection to removing Trump is the practicality of it. That’s a hard thing to do, and for good reason. We shouldn’t be removing presidents just because they are unpopular, but though there will always be true believers, with every breakdown of sanity that Trump throws into the public, some are becoming more and more aware that this is not a person who should be in this job. The deplorables will form a couple of cults and compounds, realize that it sucks and slink their way back into society. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2019, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35803 "2019-08-24T04:39:18Z")
Is there any chance that this trade war could eventually benefit the US and cause China to make some concessions? I don’t know anything about economics, but I’ve read that it is hurting China. Is there an historical precendent for this working? The only thing I know historically about tarrifs were Hoover’s after the crash, which were a disaster and made things much worse. If it could work, how long might it take and how much would it hurt the US consumer? If it can’t work, what should we should we doing about the trade imbalance with China? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2019, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/35804 "2019-08-24T04:41:42Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > From housing discrimination to the Central Park Five to the Birther foulness to shithole countries to Charlottesville to The Squad, Trump has amply proven himself a racist scumbag. What, we’re supposed to give him the benefit of the doubt? No, not at all. I’m not saying that he doesn’t hate minorities and treat them with contempt, I’m just saying that he hates everyone and treats everyone with contempt. That minorities are an easy target for him to lash out at is convenient, and reflexive. I’m not defending him, and I’m not saying that he does not do racist things. I am saying that he worse than a racist. A racist at least looks out “for his own”, Trump looks out for no one but himself. If enabling racists gives him an advantage, he will enable racists. If for some reason enabling racists actually did not reward him, and by reward, I do not mean that it works out in the net positive as any attention is a reward unto itself, then he would object to it. But, he gets rewarded for doing racist things, so he continues doing them. I’m not saying that calling Trump a racist is wrong, I’m just saying that it’s like calling Jeffery Dahmer hungry. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1789) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1791)