# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1815
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 10:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36285 "2019-09-06T10:15:44Z")
I for one am proud of our President warning everyone of the potential devastation Hurricane Dorian could wreak on the citizens of Bowling Green. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 10:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36286 "2019-09-06T10:32:26Z")
Coulda been a massacre! ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36287 "2019-09-06T11:57:32Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Probably. Look how they distanced themselves from George W. Bush,… Excellent post. I’ve long thought that Republican politics is stuck in a kind of feedback loop. Their voters are angry, they vote for a candidate who validates that anger, but no matter how many elections they win or how many policies they enact, the voters just get angrier. > [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > But any attempt to distance themselves will be met with vitriol from Trump and his supporters. They can’t, even after his presidency, piss him off. They won’t actively distance themselves from Trump, they’ll just ignore him. He’ll be mad to not be the center of attention anymore, but there won’t be any direct slights or attacks for him to focus his anger on and punch back against. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36288 "2019-09-06T12:13:10Z")
Why would they distance themselves from Trump? According to them, he’s doing a great job! Seriously, his approval rating among Republicans is something like 90%? It’s actually higher than Obama’s approval rating among Democrats. Why would they ignore, or distance, or otherwise pretend not to like him? They love him! This is rather horrifying to contemplate, honestly. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36289 "2019-09-06T12:33:09Z")
“He wasn’t as crazy as the Fake News tried to convince us! Besides, Socialism!” ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36290 "2019-09-06T12:47:02Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > 1. The statues are of traitors, so their descendants are not celebrating America. > 2. The statues are of people who took arms against America, so their descendants are not celebrating the American military. > 3. The statues are of people in the pose of, and at the ages they were, when they were traitors. So statue supporters can’t merely say “it’s Marse Robert!” No, it’s Marse Robert when he was committing treason and killing Americans. > 4. It can’t be that they are celebrating military greatness, for: > > 4.a. The South _lost_ > 4.b. We don’t have statues of other military leaders who took up arms against the United States, excepting Native Americans. > 4.c. We _definitely_ don’t have statues of people who took up arms against the United States and _lost_. > > 1. No, it’s because the statue supporters are celebrating a time when their ancestors… genetic or ideological… rebelled against the United States to keep an economic system which was based on the ownership of… not just people… but black people. > > So, yes: Racists. Stephen Pastis summed it up in his Pearls Before Swine comic. “One day some people took their states and went home. We shot them.” ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36291 "2019-09-06T13:17:08Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > In the years after Trump, are Republicans just going to turn around and distance themselves from him and act like all this never happened? Are they going to try to just regain the mantle of family values and free trade as if they never supported Trump? … Oh yeah, of course. Look at it like this: During the Republican primary last time around Trump shat all over the standard bearer Republican icons, and Trump was immediately, emphatically embraced by the rest of them when he won that round. Imagine if a Democrat shat on John McCain the way Trump did. As quickly as they embraced him (look at the way they defend him, still) they will drop him like a hot potato. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36292 "2019-09-06T13:33:54Z")
The Pubbies will tap-dance however they need to when the current so-called president is just an oil stain on the tarmac of history. But they will NEVERNEVERNEVER forget Hillary and HER EMAILS! Likewise the foreign-born, tan-suited fake uppity Muslim darkie called Obama. Some things must never be forgotten. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36293 "2019-09-06T13:53:10Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > And now they seem to regard the Iraq War as just some generic fuckup of “government” that they themselves aren’t in the least responsible for. If they blame any particular politician for it, it’s probably Hillary Clinton. Some Trump supporters actually blame Obama for 9/11. As one Trump fan notes in this video (around 3:30 mark), Obama wasn’t even in the Oval Office during 9/11. When asked why he thought Obama wasn’t in the Oval Office, the supporter says it’s because Obama was always on vacation and never at work (probably playing golf). The ignorance is stupefying: [Jordan Klepper Fingers the Pulse - Conspiracy Theories Thrive at a Trump Rally: The Daily Show](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFQhw3VVToQ) ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36294 "2019-09-06T14:03:21Z")
You guys are all naysayers. Of COURSE Donald has more knowledge about hurricanes than the Weather Service. After all, he slept with a woman named Stormy, didn’t he? ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36295 "2019-09-06T14:15:28Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > Some Trump supporters actually blame Obama for 9/11. As one Trump fan notes in this video (around 3:30 mark), Obama wasn’t even in the Oval Office during 9/11. When asked why he thought Obama wasn’t in the Oval Office, the supporter says it’s because Obama was always on vacation and never at work (probably playing golf). > > The ignorance is stupefying: > > [Jordan Klepper Fingers the Pulse - Conspiracy Theories Thrive at a Trump Rally: The Daily Show](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFQhw3VVToQ) wow. amazing. In a very bad way… :smack: ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36296 "2019-09-06T17:10:44Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > Bien dit, mon frere. Reported. Not for the foreign language, but for missing the accent in frère. 😛 ```auto [quote="Fear_Itself, post:36150, topic:774070"] It will all be gerrymandered to come out of Democratic districts. Chuck Schumer has already been informed a chunk of the money is coming out of the construction budget for the US Military Academy at West Point, which is in Schumer's district. [/QUOTE] Exactly my reaction when I saw **ThelmaLou**'s post. These people have no shame whatsoever. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [quote="Fiddle_Peghead, post:36172, topic:774070"] ... "There are good people on both sides". ... he was in fact talking about those who thought the Confederate statues should be torn down vs. those who thought they should stay. Yes, Trump is the personification of a clusterfuck, but I for one hate being lied to about shit like this. This is clearly not what Trump meant .... [/QUOTE] I understand your point, and agree with the underlying sentiment. HOWEVER the Orange Racist could have *unambiguously* made the point you think he intended, if he chose to do so. INSTEAD he made a deliberate and ugly dog-whistle to appeal to racists. Capische? ``` > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > This is just laugh-out-loud stupid. The only way for Trump to top this is for him to invite the press into his bathroom, show them a turd in the toilet, and declare “I did that! I did a good poopy!” > > Jesus! At some point, are the Republicans embarrassed? At all? I think you’re joking, but it’s about come to that. Remember a year ago when he walked up the stairs of Airforce One with a long strip of toilet paper stuck to his shoe? Were his aides all too afraid to point it out? Or were they all laughing too hard? ```auto [quote="Mike_Mabes, post:36213, topic:774070"] I went to his Twitter page about this and almost all of the responses are anti-Trump, so I clicked on a few more pages and it's the same thing. How would this compare to other Twitter feeds, wouldn't most followers of someone support them? How many negatives would there usually be? IOW is this another indication of how unpopular he is? [/QUOTE] It's true that Twitter isn't where physicists discuss new ideas about quantum gravity, but it does appeal to a more intellectual crowd than the Yahoo and Facebook blogs. Some Trumpists might know how to read tweets, but few could write one without help from a 9-year old kid or from a Democrat. ``` > [@enipla](#): > > Heck, Ann. He cheats at golf against 10 year old kids. > > During that play, the trio reportedly came across a hole with a big pond. Mr Virtue and his son both hit their balls onto the putting green, while Mr Trump hit his ball into the water.] > But, Mr Trump then reportedly rushed ahead and decided that the 10-year-old’s ball was his. His caddy then backed him up. > > That’s our President. Willing to cheat kids to come out on ‘top’ in a impromptu tournament. > > He’s a liar and a cheat. It’s all he knows how to do. And he does it poorly. 38%. Believe it or don’t, at least 38% of Americans will vote for this subhuman in 14 months. Historians fifty years from now — if there even are historians and books in the coming dystopia — will marvel that he was ever elected. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36297 "2019-09-06T17:57:15Z")
The Irish press is furious at Mike Pence. One said his visit was like inviting somebody over for dinner and they shit on your carpet. Why? Because Pence called on Ireland to negotiate with the UK over borders when the UK unilaterally pulls out of the EU. [Irish Media Dumps On Mike Pence: He Came As A Guest And 'S\*\*t On The New Carpet' | HuffPost Latest News](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mike-pence-irish-media_n_5d70bee2e4b0cdfe057aeee9)? * * * The Secretary of Defense says our allies need to pony up money to pay for the US military projects that won’t be funded because Individual 1 took money to pay for WALL. [https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/defense-secretary-urges-european-allies-topick-up-the-tab-on-pentagon-projects-defunded-for-trumps-border-wall/2019/09/06/16ec4a2c-d0b1-11e9-9031-519885a08a86\_story.html](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/defense-secretary-urges-european-allies-topick-up-the-tab-on-pentagon-projects-defunded-for-trumps-border-wall/2019/09/06/16ec4a2c-d0b1-11e9-9031-519885a08a86_story.html)? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36298 "2019-09-06T18:14:23Z")
Is Mexico counted as an ally or a mere trading partner? Because this could be the genius stroke that enables Mexico to pay for the wall! ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36299 "2019-09-06T19:01:32Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Is Mexico counted as an ally or a mere trading partner? Because this could be the genius stroke that enables Mexico to pay for the wall! Maybe we could just buy Mexico and make them the [del]49th[/del] 50th state? And demote Hawaii to a non-state, thus rendering Obama’s citizenship and his whole presidency null & void-- win-win! ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36300 "2019-09-06T20:19:02Z")
Iceland is full of LGBTQ flag rainbow flags to welcome Pence to the country. > **[Pence greeted by rainbow flags upon arrival in Iceland](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/460144-pence-greeted-by-series-of-rainbow-flags-as-he-arrived-in-iceland/)** > > Vice President Pence was greeted by a series of rainbow flags this week as he arrived in Reykjavik to meet with President Guðni Jóhannesson of Iceland.Pence met with Jóhannesson on Wednes… ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36301 "2019-09-06T20:48:10Z")
This seems a little banana republic-y. [https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/06/business/automakers-antitrust-investigation/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/06/business/automakers-antitrust-investigation/index.html) > [@](#): > > The Justice Department has opened an antitrust investigation into four major automakers who have rejected the Trump administration’s relaxed air pollution and mileage regulations. Maybe they are in violation of antitrust laws, but it seems interesting that they were not being investigated for it until they hurt baby Twumpy’s feewings. I hope they cannot actually be punished simply for proceeding with California’s (and world markets also) stricter air pollution requirements. It only makes business sense to make all their cars with the same parameters, especially since they seem to feel this is the direction to go - better gas mileage, less pollution, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36302 "2019-09-06T21:02:08Z")
Good ol’ Mr. Prez still doesn’t understand how the adult world works. Now that he’s getting soundly mocked on his favorite place (Twitter), [he ordered a Coast Guard admiral to lie to the public](https://news.yahoo.com/trump-orders-coast-guard-admiral-140132223.html): > [@](#): > > Donald Trump reportedly ordered a Coast Guard rear admiral to give a statement publicly defending the US president’s misleading claims about the chances of a hurricane striking Alabama. More–much more–at the link. The best is the quote from Tan the Conman using terms such as “LameStream Media”. Those who use such terms are, IMHO & IME, your credulous conspiracy nutjobs and are quite allergic to facts. Y’all remember [_Sleeper_](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070707/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1)? I wonder how the scene talking about the presidents would’ve gone had it been made today. Allen would not have to write fiction to make Miles Monroe’s commentary on our day sound ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36303 "2019-09-06T21:34:58Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Good ol’ Mr. Prez still doesn’t understand how the adult world works. I don’t have the link to the particular story I first saw, but Trump couldn’t help talking about himself when he awarded Jerry West the Medal of Freedom. West is from West Virginia and Trump had to start talking about how big he won there and then implied if WV hadn’t gone for him, West may not be getting the Medal. Another link to the story: [Trump jokes he gave Medal of Freedom to NBA great Jerry West because the former player’s home state voted for him](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-jokes-he-gave-medal-of-freedom-to-nba-great-jerry-west-because-the-players-home-state-is-pro-trump/2019/09/05/e9cb619e-d02f-11e9-8c1c-7c8ee785b855_story.html) > [@](#): > > In awarding the nation’s highest civilian honor to the basketball legend Jerry West, President Trump joked that the Hall of Famer received the distinction Thursday in part because he hailed from a state Trump won by 43 points. > > In a private ceremony in the Oval Office, Trump gave the 81-year-old West the Presidential Medal of Freedom, an award that only the president can bestow. > > Trump strayed from his prepared remarks when he mentioned that West came from the “great, great state” of West Virginia. > > “I probably shouldn’t say this, but I won it by 43 points. That’s a lot,” Trump said. “Probably helped you getting this award today, that you come from West Virginia.” > > Trump often finds opportunities to turn attention to himself, especially about his 2016 election win, which he brings up in most speeches. What a child. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36304 "2019-09-06T21:47:33Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > I don’t have the link to the particular story I first saw, but Trump couldn’t help talking about himself when he awarded Jerry West the Medal of Freedom. West is from West Virginia and Trump had to start talking about how big he won there and then implied if WV hadn’t gone for him, West may not be getting the Medal. > > Another link to the story: > > [Trump jokes he gave Medal of Freedom to NBA great Jerry West because the former player’s home state voted for him](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-jokes-he-gave-medal-of-freedom-to-nba-great-jerry-west-because-the-players-home-state-is-pro-trump/2019/09/05/e9cb619e-d02f-11e9-8c1c-7c8ee785b855_story.html) > > What a child. I was wondering what Jerry West did to deserve a medal (I’m sure he’s a decent human being, but…seriously?) This is as good a reason as any, in TrumpWorld. Donnie: if you’re thinking “I probably should’t say this”…don’t say it. (Aw, fuckit. Why would he start acting like a grownup now?) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1814) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1816)