# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1831
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36605 "2019-09-18T18:03:30Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > When someone spills the beans to Former President Trump\* that the car makers are doing this, he’ll probably shut them down and nationalize the auto manufacturing business. Then he can turn the clock back to the 1950s and make auto workers happy again. Win-win! > [@enipla](#): > > Automakers should band together, buy some air time and tell it like it is “Donald Trump, The President of the United States, is trying to poison you. We are not going to let that happen and will continue to follow higher emissions standards. Every one of us.” Yep that is pretty much exactly what is happening except rather than nationalizing them them he is ordering his justice department to sue them for [anti-trust](https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/06/doj-auto-trump-fuel-efficiency-1483589). ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36606 "2019-09-18T18:26:51Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Of course. They wouldn’t be doing it for purely idealistic reasons. But they could point out Trumps truly evil ambitions. Well, not even ambitions really. He’s doing it out of spite just like a 5 year old would. > > Ten bucks says the moron in the WH will bring up what clean air and water we have so we don’t need these expensive regulations. > > Ya see, he can’t figure out how to do anything that is beneficial to anyone but himself. So in a deluded attempt to try to make himself look ‘better’ he trys to destroy the goodness of others. No, I don’t think it would be out of the goodness of the automakers’ hearts, but I’m hoping they will look at long term business reasons (I.e., eventually there will hopefully be a president who wants to reduce emissions again) instead of short term business reasons (getting Trumpelstiltskin off their backs for now). But everyone always capitulates to him for some reason so I’m afraid to hope that reduced emissions and better gas mileage will or could win out. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36607 "2019-09-18T18:31:42Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > That’s exactly what he’s claiming in this morning’s round of Tweetjaculations, along with the bizarre claim that this will also make cars much safer. To which I can only say “Whadafuk?” Apparently the EPA, to support its decision to roll back standards, has some study that says that higher fuel efficiency will result in more miles driven, which in turn will result in more traffic collisions. It may not be the soundest of claims. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36608 "2019-09-18T19:16:08Z")
Fox News is reporting “Trump administration revokes California’s authority to set auto mileage standards” as if it already happened. Isn’t there some sort of process that needs to be completed first? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36609 "2019-09-18T19:21:30Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Fox News is reporting “Trump administration revokes California’s authority to set auto mileage standards” as if it already happened. > > **Isn’t there some sort of process that needs to be completed first?** So it shall be Tweeted. So it shall be done. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36610 "2019-09-18T19:24:34Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > So it shall be Tweeted. So it shall be done. Ah right, I forgot. If I was California, I wouldn’t threaten with lawsuits. I would just say “When we see (whatever is needed, letter, form, law, whatever), then we will discuss it. Until then, it’s simply the tweet of a moron” ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36611 "2019-09-18T19:32:11Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Wait just a minute here! Doesn’t the tan turd just positively love Xi Jinping? The People’s Republic of China happens to have rather strict emissions standards for their motor vehicles. Since T[sup]2[/sup] is copying his dictator heroes, one would thing he’d support California on this! It’s all about spite and “revenge”. He hates California because Cali didn’t vote for him or kiss his ass. He tried to fuck them over the train, he tried to fuck them over the fires, he is trying to fuck them over the homeless somehow, and he is trying to fuck them over “emissions”. It’s ALL about spite and malice - just like every other fucking thing and every other fucking time. > [@Skypist](#): > > I really think at least a portion of it is that automakers hurt his feelings by agreeing to follow California’s standards and not his rolled-back ones. Now he’s lashing out to hurt not only California and Obama but also those automakers that flouted his “orders.” > > He carries a grudge better than anyone - believe me! :rolleyes: > > I don’t suppose there’s the tiniest chance that if California loses the legal battle that will ensue, automakers would go ahead and follow its intended emission standards anyway rather than going with Trumpelstiltskin’s ridiculous worse ones that are harmful to everyone just out of spite? Yup. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36612 "2019-09-18T20:22:10Z")
“U.S. automakers contend that without a substantial increase in fuel efficiency, their vehicles will be less competitive globally, which could potentially result in job losses. “Automakers support year-over-year increases in fuel economy standards that align with marketplace realities, and we support one national program as the best path to preserve good auto jobs, keep new vehicles affordable for more Americans and avoid a marketplace with different standards,” said Dave Schwietert, the interim CEO and president of the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, which represents Ford, General Motors and other leading U.S. auto manufactures.” > **[Trump blocking California from imposing stricter fuel standards](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-blocking-california-from-setting-stricter-fuel-standards/)** > > California Gov. Gavin Newsom said the Republican Party is "nowhere to be found" when the president undermines states' rights ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36613 "2019-09-18T20:35:02Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > “U.S. automakers contend that without a substantial increase in fuel efficiency, their vehicles will be less competitive globally, which could potentially result in job losses. > “Automakers support year-over-year increases in fuel economy standards that align with marketplace realities, and we support one national program as the best path to preserve good auto jobs, keep new vehicles affordable for more Americans and avoid a marketplace with different standards,” said Dave Schwietert, the interim CEO and president of the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, which represents Ford, General Motors and other leading U.S. auto manufactures.” > [Trump blocking California from imposing stricter fuel standards - CBS News](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-blocking-california-from-setting-stricter-fuel-standards/) It’s absurd that Trump tries to force the automobile manufactures, of all industries, to be \*less \*ecologically minded against their will. :smack: I know, I know, everything is absurd in this administration… ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36614 "2019-09-18T20:42:51Z")
Hoo boy, that’s going to make him mad. He doesn’t like to be contradicted. Now he may actually try to throw them out of the country or something. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36615 "2019-09-18T21:26:03Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Yep that is pretty much exactly what is happening except rather than nationalizing them them he is ordering his justice department to sue them for [anti-trust](https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/06/doj-auto-trump-fuel-efficiency-1483589). Possible ray of hope?: > [@](#): > > **from link:** Auto companies will likely be able to claim immunity from antitrust laws, said Hill Wellford, an antitrust lawyer and partner at Vinson & Elkins. They could argue the companies’ First Amendment right to petition state or federal governments supersedes such laws through what’s known as the Noerr-Pennington doctrine. > > "If they do it correctly and they’re well-counseled — which I have no doubt they are — there’s a way to do this that is utterly, completely sheltered from the antitrust laws,” he said. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36616 "2019-09-18T21:31:50Z")
> [@Skypist](#): > > No, I don’t think it would be out of the goodness of the automakers’ hearts, but I’m hoping they will look at long term business reasons (I.e., eventually there will hopefully be a president who wants to reduce emissions again) instead of short term business reasons (getting Trumpelstiltskin off their backs for now). But everyone always capitulates to him for some reason so I’m afraid to hope that reduced emissions and better gas mileage will or could win out. Yup. Once again (actually, as always) Trump is just being spiteful and a complete fucking moron. Automakers, US and otherwise (it’s all global) aren’t going to throw away 40 years of tech. Tech that has made their cars more reliable. More efficient in MANY ways (look at the horse power they are getting out of 4 cylinders) and mostly MORE DESIRABLE and just start throwing 4 barrel carbs on V8’s. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36617 "2019-09-18T21:36:34Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > When someone spills the beans to Former President Trump\* that the car makers are doing this, he’ll probably shut them down and nationalize the auto manufacturing business. Then he can turn the clock back to the 1950s and make auto workers happy again. Win-win! And if anyone complains about this, they’ll be called “a socialist”. Because the term means “someone I do not like” ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36618 "2019-09-18T21:42:37Z")
> [@Skypist](#): > > Hoo boy, that’s going to make him mad. He doesn’t like to be contradicted. Now he may actually try to throw them out of the country or something. That doesn’t really contradict the administration, tho: only the federal government can regulate emissions because only the federal government can regulate interstate commerce. AFAIUI that’s the argument being proffered by the Trump administration. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36619 "2019-09-18T21:54:21Z")
> [@Skypist](#): > > Hoo boy, that’s going to make him mad. He doesn’t like to be contradicted. Now he may actually try to throw them out of the country or something. The next step is a wall along California’s eastern border. And then government-funded research to find a way to break off the whole state and let it fall into the ocean. That’ll larn 'em, upstart librul, tree-hugging, crystal-sucking coddlers of the homeless! ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36620 "2019-09-18T22:05:36Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > That doesn’t really contradict the administration, tho: only the federal government can regulate emissions because only the federal government can regulate interstate commerce. AFAIUI that’s the argument being proffered by the Trump administration. Trump claimed that this would make cars cheaper. (And safer, whatever the fuck that means,) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36621 "2019-09-18T22:21:34Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Trump claimed that this would make cars cheaper. (And safer, whatever the fuck that means,) Trump should tweet that he hereby orders car manufacturers to stop putting airbags or seatbelts in cars. This will immediately reduce the cost of a new car. Also, Anti-lock braking systems should be forbidden. They also increase the costs. Regular brakes were good enough in the 1950’s and that was a golden time. Headrests/restraints should also be eliminated via Trump Tweet. Not needed. Just an eyesore. Child car seats are a liberal scam. Gone with another tweet. The leftie-hippies just hate the good old days when kids could play in the back of the station wagon. Fun-killers! If there are any federal agencies that object (I’m looking at you, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration), Trump will just Sharpie them out of existence. Problem solved, regulations cut! Win win! ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36622 "2019-09-18T22:22:44Z")
> [@Skypist](#): > > Hoo boy, that’s going to make him mad. He doesn’t like to be contradicted. Now he may actually try to throw them out of the country or something. Nah, he won’t kick them out. He’ll just apply tariffs on US manufactured autos… ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36623 "2019-09-18T22:35:08Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Automakers, US and otherwise (it’s all global) aren’t going to throw away 40 years of tech. Tech that has made their cars more reliable. More efficient in MANY ways (look at the horse power they are getting out of 4 cylinders) and mostly MORE DESIRABLE and just start throwing 4 barrel carbs on V8’s. Plus, they realize that that next sane\smart President will try to undo what the Cheeto has done. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36624 "2019-09-18T23:20:47Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Trump should tweet that he hereby orders car manufacturers to stop putting airbags or seatbelts in cars. This will immediately reduce the cost of a new car. Also, Anti-lock braking systems should be forbidden. They also increase the costs. Regular brakes were good enough in the 1950’s and that was a golden time. Headrests/restraints should also be eliminated via Trump Tweet. Not needed. Just an eyesore. When you don’t have health insurance anymore, and cars become less safe, funerals are going to start looking better and better. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1830) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1832)