# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1842
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36825 "2019-09-23T16:13:51Z")
Rumor has it that the Mexicans have discovered the ladder technology and even have ropes. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36826 "2019-09-23T16:14:28Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Thats really disgraceful. They need to stop people from disgracing Trump’s glorious wall like that. Maybe put a fence around it or something. 😃 Yes – an _UNCLIMBABLE_ fence! ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36827 "2019-09-23T16:32:58Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Thats really disgraceful. They need to stop people from disgracing Trump’s glorious wall like that. Maybe put a fence around it or something. 😃 By George, you’ve got it! A wall around the wall. That’s the ticket. And, ya know, if Former President Trump\* was really serious about this wall thing, he should have directed that the Mexico wall be built using the Berlin Wall as a model. Now THAT would have stopped immigration. Concrete, barbed wire (or _bob wahr_ as we say in Texas), a no man’s land on either side, and most importantly, armed guards stationed every hundred feet or so with instructions to shoot to kill on sight. His pathetic fence might as well be the fence around a kindergarten playground–which people are proving by making sport with it. LOSER WALL!! Donnie’s wall is a LOSER WALL!! As for the cost, well, yeah, it will be expensive, considering the Berlin Wall was 87 miles long and the USA/Mexico border is over 20 times longer at 1,954. But priorities are priorities and campaign promises must be honored. Let’s just empty out the US Treasury and build that fucker like we mean it! ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36828 "2019-09-23T16:34:17Z")
> [@mjmlabs](#): > > Well, Speaker Pelosi told NPR that we should pass legislation explicitly permitting the indictment of a sitting President: [https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/20/politics/nancy-pelosi-olc-opinion/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/20/politics/nancy-pelosi-olc-opinion/index.html) > > As to impeachment, I tend to agree with the Speaker: Trump is Br’er Rabbit-ing the House into impeaching him so that A) if there’s enough time for the Senate to acquit, he claim “TOTAL EXONERATION” before the 2020 election, and B) even if there isn’t enough time for a Senate vote, he can put his “poor little put-upon President” schtick on an endless loop, whining about how The Big Meanie Democwats keep picking on him, “SO UNFAIR! SAD!” Investigate, yes, but don’t let him goad you into letting the Senate issue him a free pass. But, for the MAGA hat wearers, he doesn’t need to be able to say “TOTAL EXONERATION”. They are on his side already and cannot be swayed. For voters who are still on the fence, and I’m referring to those who would follow an impeachment hearing and subsequent trial _carefully_, I believe some of them will look at the evidence presented, see it as damning but recognize the politics involved, and thus see that Trump was not exonerated, but rather that there was no way in hell enough Republican senators would have ever voted him guilty. Essentially, I reject the idea that an impeachment process against Trump is pretty much guaranteed to help him more than harm him in the next election. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36829 "2019-09-23T17:01:56Z")
From CNN: > [@](#): > > Sources: White House officials are considering releasing a transcript of President Trump’s call with the Ukrainian president Will it have changes in it marked in with a Sharpie? > [@](#): > > White House officials were soliciting opinions from outside advisers over the weekend about whether they should release the transcript of Trump’s call with the Ukrainian president, as well as how advisers think the White House should message it if the transcript was “embarrassing.” Substitute “embarrassing” with “treasonous” ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36830 "2019-09-23T17:05:14Z")
> [@](#): > > Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin also weighed in, telling CNN Sunday that he thinks releasing the transcript “would be a terrible precedent,” arguing that “conversations between world leaders are meant to be confidential.” Yea. Especially when those conversations involve the president threatening to withhold $250 million in aid unless the other leader promises to attack his political rival. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36831 "2019-09-23T17:16:04Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > From CNN: > > > [@](#): > > > > Sources: White House officials are considering releasing a transcript of President Trump’s call with the Ukrainian president > > … And the likelihood of them following through on this is what… 5%?.. zero?.. C’mon people. :rolleyes: How many times has he pulled shit like this? Former President Trump\* is holding the football. Don’t make a run at it. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36832 "2019-09-23T17:17:50Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > Climbing Trump’s “unclimbable” Wall is now a tourist attraction. They’re timing how long it takes people to climb it without any equipment. The record is 45 seconds: > > [A Quick Grin For The Day: Drumpf's Unclimbable Wall... Updated with Video!](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/9/22/1887176/-A-Quick-Grin-For-The-Day-Drumpf-s-Unclimbable-Wall?utm_campaign=trending) In the interest of fighting (my own) ignorance, at least [one media outlet](https://www.mediaite.com/news/that-video-of-migrants-instantly-climbing-30-foot-border-wall-heres-where-thats-from/) is claiming that the video and photos of men climbing the wall are from 2016, before they perfected unclimbable wall technology. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36833 "2019-09-23T17:47:05Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > In the interest of fighting (my own) ignorance, at least [one media outlet](https://www.mediaite.com/news/that-video-of-migrants-instantly-climbing-30-foot-border-wall-heres-where-thats-from/) is claiming that the video and photos of men climbing the wall are from 2016, before they perfected unclimbable wall technology. Possibly, but the one I linked to only shows stills, not a video. The Daily Beast cites professional climbers saying that Trump’s wall ought to be easy to climb: > [@](#): > > “If it’s the slat wall behind him when he made the comment, it looks like it would be easy for a professional rock climber to get up and over,” said Mitsu Iwasaki, executive director of mountaineering organization Mazamas. > **[Trump Said This Wall Can’t Be Climbed. Professional Climbers Say He’s ‘Full...](https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-said-this-wall-cant-be-climbed-professional-climbers-say-hes-full-of-sht)** > > President Trump claimed that a fleet of champion climbers tested his border wall. The sport’s top athletes have no idea what the hell Trump is talking about. Here’s ABC news from 2017: > **[Mexican congressman climbs U.S. border fence to illustrate that Trump's wall...](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/mexican-congressman-climbs-us-border-fence-illustrate-trumps/story?id=45877797)** > > Perched atop a 30-foot-tall fence, Braulio Guerra said a wall is "absurd." > [@](#): > > A Mexican congressman went to great lengths – and heights – Wednesday to illustrate why he believes that President Trump’s controversial U.S.-Mexico border wall is “unnecessary” and “totally absurd.” > > Braulio Guerra, a congressman from the state of Queretaro, tweeted photos and a video of himself perched atop a 30-foot tall fence that separates the Mexican border city of Tijuana from the U.S. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36834 "2019-09-23T19:00:00Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > And, ya know, if Former President Trump\* was really serious about this wall thing, he should have directed that the Mexico wall be built using the Berlin Wall as a model. Now THAT would have stopped immigration. Concrete, barbed wire (or _bob wahr_ as we say in Texas), a no man’s land on either side, and most importantly, armed guards stationed every hundred feet or so with instructions to shoot to kill on sight. You laugh, but this is exactly what the deplorable crowd wants. On some FB vids of people climbing the walls they were commenting how they should be shot off with .50 caliber or that there should be barbed wire on top of the wall. Mind you, these could have just been Russian trolls but I don’t doubt some sentiment like that is around. ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36835 "2019-09-23T19:14:02Z")
Well this whole Ukraine thing will probably come to nothing since the Chosen One always cries and gets his way. But I recall people saying that if his campaign did accept help from Russia in 2016 it was probably because he and his family and campaign are all just political newbs who didn’t know it was wrong and against the law. So what is the excuse this time if TCO tried to get Ukraine to help him in 2020? Surely even THEY cannot now claim ignorance instead of malevolence. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36836 "2019-09-23T19:32:58Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > You laugh, but this is exactly what the deplorable crowd wants. On some FB vids of people climbing the walls they were commenting how they should be shot off with .50 caliber or that there should be barbed wire on top of the wall. > > Mind you, these could have just been Russian trolls but I don’t doubt some sentiment like that is around. Sadly, you are correct. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36837 "2019-09-23T19:46:25Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > In the interest of fighting (my own) ignorance, at least [one media outlet](https://www.mediaite.com/news/that-video-of-migrants-instantly-climbing-30-foot-border-wall-heres-where-thats-from/) is claiming that the video and photos of men climbing the wall are from 2016, before they perfected unclimbable wall technology. I’m pretty sure that’s the old wall. But it’s still funny. And looks similar to the new wall, so we can still pretend and laugh. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36838 "2019-09-23T19:49:08Z")
> [@Skypist](#): > > Well this whole Ukraine thing will probably come to nothing since the Chosen One always cries and gets his way. But I recall people saying that if his campaign did accept help from Russia in 2016 it was probably because he and his family and campaign are all just political newbs who didn’t know it was wrong and against the law. > > So what is the excuse this time if TCO tried to get Ukraine to help him in 2020? Surely even THEY cannot now claim ignorance instead of malevolence. The two-year total witch hunt investigation by that political hack Mueller, couldn’t prove he did anything illegal in 2016. Why is it illegal now? BTW, I wrote that as a response I expect to see, not what I believe. I expect HD will be spouting it soon. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36839 "2019-09-23T19:57:43Z")
> [@Skypist](#): > > Well this whole Ukraine thing will probably come to nothing since the Chosen One always cries and gets his way. In His own words: > [@The Messiah](#): > > **I do whine because I want to win and I’m not happy about not winning and I am a whiner and I keep whining and whining until I win.** ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36840 "2019-09-23T19:59:04Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > And, ya know, if Former President Trump\* was really serious about this wall thing, he should have directed that the Mexico wall be built using the Berlin Wall as a model. Now THAT would have stopped immigration. Concrete, barbed wire (or _bob wahr_ as we say in Texas), a no man’s land on either side, and most importantly, armed guards stationed every hundred feet or so with instructions to shoot to kill on sight. Don’t tell loser Donny, but despite the Berlin wall being concrete and barbed wire and manned by machine gun toting people ready to shoot on sight, people still made it successfully across. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36841 "2019-09-23T20:00:24Z")
We here have always known that Trump is consumed with rage that Obama has a Nobel Prize, and he doesn’t. He’s been gnashing his teeth and rending his garments and banging his tiny fists for 10 years now…at least, that’s what we strongly suspect. [Well, today he said so out loud.](https://news.yahoo.com/trump-complains-deserves-nobel-prize-181502219.html) ---
**Author:** ![steatopygia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steatopygia/32/3132_2.png) [@steatopygia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steatopygia)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36842 "2019-09-23T20:35:46Z")
> [@mjmlabs](#): > > [**Motion Meme**](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed5Bh_DbHPU) That was your one hundred and first post. In sixteen years. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36843 "2019-09-23T20:56:20Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > And, ya know, if Former President Trump\* was really serious about this wall thing, he should have directed that the Mexico wall be built using the Berlin Wall as a model. Now THAT would have stopped immigration. Concrete, barbed wire (or _bob wahr_ as we say in Texas), a no man’s land on either side, and most importantly, armed guards stationed every hundred feet or so with instructions to shoot to kill on sight. > [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > You laugh, but this is exactly what the deplorable crowd wants. On some FB vids of people climbing the walls they were commenting how they should be shot off with .50 caliber or that there should be barbed wire on top of the wall. > > Mind you, these could have just been Russian trolls but I don’t doubt some sentiment like that is around. Oh, I’ve gotten into arguments with people like that. A “death wall” they call it; many seem to favor not having guards and just using “sentry guns” that kill anything that moves. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/36844 "2019-09-23T21:01:41Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > … > [Well, today he said so out loud.](https://news.yahoo.com/trump-complains-deserves-nobel-prize-181502219.html) Well at least he didn’t say that in a place that might bring ridicule to our country. What’s that? He said it at in a UN presser to international journalists? OK, at least he didn’t make some brainless, infantile, sour grapes claim that the Nobel was awarded unfairly. What’s that again? He did? :smack: Hey Republicans, that’s your fuckin doofus! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1841) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1843)