# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1851
**Author:** ![AWB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bb73d2/32.png) [@AWB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AWB)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37005 "2019-09-25T20:04:05Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > The White House accidentally [sent their talking points](https://twitter.com/grantstern/status/1176897793144872961) in dealing with this issue to the Democrats. And then asked the Democrats to send the email back. They should also fax back any print-outs they made. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37006 "2019-09-25T20:13:12Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Acting DNI threatened to quit if White House blocked his testimony. > > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/acting-director-of-national-intelligence-threatened-to-resign-if-he-couldnt-speak-freely-before-congress/2019/09/25/b1deb71e-dfbf-11e9-be96-6adb81821e90\_story.html?outputType=amp&\_\_twitter\_impression=true](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/acting-director-of-national-intelligence-threatened-to-resign-if-he-couldnt-speak-freely-before-congress/2019/09/25/b1deb71e-dfbf-11e9-be96-6adb81821e90_story.html?outputType=amp&__twitter_impression=true) Maguire is denying he threatened to quit. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37007 "2019-09-25T20:16:54Z")
> [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](#): > > He wasn’t at the White House - there’s a big multinational event at the United Nations in New York this week that he was coincidentally at. > > He did his best during the (prescheduled) press availability but there were a couple of times he clearly wanted to crawl out of his own skin and run stage left. Oh, thanks, sorry, I wasn’t aware that they were in New York. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37008 "2019-09-25T20:21:26Z")
Individual 1: Hillary’s emails may be in Ukraine. “Nancy Pelosi, as far as I’m concerned, unfortunately she’s no longer Speaker of the House.” > **[Trump ends press conference with bizarre claim Pelosi is 'no longer Speaker...](https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/trump-press-conference-pelosi-twitter-jokes-14467585.php)** > > Anytime President Trump is speaking on live television, he's prone to say something that... ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37009 "2019-09-25T20:50:42Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > Maguire is denying he threatened to quit. He denied that he considered quitting. Not that he threatened to quit. Also, in his press conference, he just told us that Pence had conversations with Ukraine and we should look into that. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37010 "2019-09-25T20:52:28Z")
Trump is conducting a … press conference? … right now. It’s live on the TeeVee. I can’t tell what the hell he’s babbling about. Someone needs to tranq him with a dart gun and put him to bed. I feel bad for poor [Daniel Dale.](https://twitter.com/ddale8) ---
**Author:** ![jshore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5e925/32.png) [@jshore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jshore)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37011 "2019-09-25T20:55:20Z")
Nice article talking about how, beyond the criminal elements, the notes on the call between Zelensky and Trump illustrates how foreign leaders flatter Trump (and curry favor in other ways, like mentioning how they stayed at his properties) to try to get what they want: > **[All the Ways Zelensky Prostrated Himself on His Phone Call With Trump](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/09/zelenskys-excessive-flattery-of-trump.html)** > > From Trump Tower to Trump Force One. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37012 "2019-09-25T20:59:34Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Trump is conducting a … press conference? … right now. It’s live on the TeeVee. I can’t tell what the hell he’s babbling about. Someone needs to tranq him with a dart gun and put him to bed. I feel bad for poor [Daniel Dale.](https://twitter.com/ddale8) I just saw a minute or so of that. He was bragging about his electoral vote count last election. Then he turned it over to Pompeo who started talking about Iran. I tuned out, but for those with a strong stomach, Mnuchin is on deck. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37013 "2019-09-25T21:03:07Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Individual 1: > Hillary’s emails may be in Ukraine. > “Nancy Pelosi, as far as I’m concerned, unfortunately she’s no longer Speaker of the House.” > [https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/trump-press-conference-pelosi-twitter-jokes-14467585.php](https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/trump-press-conference-pelosi-twitter-jokes-14467585.php) Narrator: She was, in fact, still Speaker of the House. ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37014 "2019-09-25T21:15:29Z")
[concerning Trump wanting to get Hillary’s emails from Ukraine…] > [@eschereal](#): > > Umm. You got a link for that insanity? I would guess that the way Trump’s logic is working, it looks like this: Russia hacked computers in the US Hillary was using a private email server, which is an issue partly because of some increaased hacking risk Therefore Russia had hacked Hillary’s email server, and they still have copies of the emails that were deleted Ukraine used to be part of Russia, so they have access to the emails as well. Nevermind that Ukraine and Russia are, shall we say, not best buds anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37015 "2019-09-25T21:18:33Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Umm. You got a link for that insanity? It was in the details of this youtube video of the meeting from PBS [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/eZVxMS3CWT8/maxresdefault.jpg "WATCH: Ukraine president said ‘nobody pushed me’ to investigate Biden") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZVxMS3CWT8) ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37016 "2019-09-25T21:26:03Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Narrator: She was, in fact, still Speaker of the House. Trump prematurely oranged himself. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37017 "2019-09-25T21:27:47Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > To be fair, Giuliani knows that DJT stiffs his lawyers and contractors so he could have taken the case on a pro bono basis. Don’t you mean pro Bozo basis. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37018 "2019-09-25T21:38:43Z")
I think we all need to step back and realize that believing the Republican narrative about this whole thing requires me to believe that Donald Trump is so overwhelmingly concerned about corruption in Eastern Europe for reasons that don’t affect him that it was the sole topic of conversation in his discussion with the Ukrainian president, and yet not a single mention of Ukrainian corruption that did not involve Biden was discussed at all. Am I really supposed to believe that the issue that Trump cares deeply about is Ukrainian corruption? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37019 "2019-09-25T21:42:43Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > I think we all need to step back and realize that believing the Republican narrative about this whole thing requires me to believe that Donald Trump is so overwhelmingly concerned about corruption in Eastern Europe for reasons that don’t affect him that it was the sole topic of conversation in his discussion with the Ukrainian president, and yet not a single mention of Ukrainian corruption that did not involve Biden was discussed at all. > > Am I really supposed to believe that the issue that Trump cares deeply about is Ukrainian corruption? No Quid Pro Quo! Deep state! Hillary’s emails! Witch Hunt! ---
**Author:** ![HelenGawn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@HelenGawn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelenGawn)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37020 "2019-09-25T21:52:42Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Well that explains all the brainless Quid Pro Quo repetition I’ve seen here on the Dope today. > Trump suckers: This is not dependent on a quid pro quo, which does exist. Nuh-uh! That’s a quo-quid, hold the pro. Cuz they’re amateurs. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37021 "2019-09-25T21:59:28Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Don’t you mean pro Bozo basis. No. Those Bozos are strictly amature. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37022 "2019-09-25T22:15:16Z")
MSNBC Cuts Into Trump’s Press Conference To Call Him Out On Lying About The Bidens [MSNBC Cuts Into Trump's Press Conference To Call Him Out On Lying About The Bidens | HuffPost Latest News](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/msnbc-nicolle-wallace-trump-lies_n_5d8bd403e4b0e9e76046ae21)? ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37023 "2019-09-25T22:20:28Z")
> [@CurtC](#): > > [concerning Trump wanting to get Hillary’s emails from Ukraine…] > I would guess that the way Trump’s logic is working, it looks like this: > > Russia hacked computers in the US I saw a comment about Trump’s reference to Crowdstrike, which he mentioned. Trump apparently thinks Crowdstrike framed Russia for the DNC hack, according to the comment. If Trump does, the rabbit hole is deeper than I thought. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37024 "2019-09-25T22:22:23Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > No. Those Bozos are strictly amature. How about _pro malo_? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1850) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1852)