# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1858
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37145 "2019-09-27T13:09:57Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > The Splinternews article describes them as the Laurel and Hardy of conservative grifters Laurel and Hardy were geniuses. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37146 "2019-09-27T13:29:15Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > But here’s the thing: when you ARE the state, your personal political interest is equivalent to the national security interest. Clear? L’etat c’est moi, got it. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37147 "2019-09-27T13:48:10Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > Laurel and Hardy were geniuses. [![](https://res.cloudinary.com/teepublic/image/private/s--3ZUyHd57--/t_Preview/b_rgb:191919,c_limit,f_jpg,h_630,q_90,w_630/v1561189286/production/designs/5131240_0.jpg) ](https://res.cloudinary.com/teepublic/image/private/s--3ZUyHd57--/t_Preview/b_rgb:191919,c_limit,f_jpg,h_630,q_90,w_630/v1561189286/production/designs/5131240_0.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37148 "2019-09-27T14:13:42Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I might have said it before, but I don’t want Trump impeached – he probably needs to be, but I’d rather we vote him out. I won’t have faith in the average moron that lives next door to me, sits beside my cubicle, and shares the roadways with me on my commute until I’ve seen an election that convinces me this country’s capable of sane voting behavior. I’m not taking a position on impeachment here, but your broader argument about the election and voting is really fucking stupid. Trump won the 2016 election while getting almost 3 million fewer votes than his opponent. Even if Trump loses the 2020 election, it’s incredibly likely that he will still receive around 55-60 million votes, which is pretty much what he got last time around. In fact, it would be possible to have basically identical voting to 2016, with just a 10 or 20,000 vote swing in a few key states, and have Trump lose the election. What would this tell you about the people around you? Pretty much nothing, because most of them will probably vote for the same party they voted for in 2016, and because the popular vote could be very similar to 2016, but there would be a Democrat in the White House. Whether Trump wins or loses the election, somewhere between 35 and 45 percent of this country will still think he’s great. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37149 "2019-09-27T14:33:49Z")
[https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-demands-schiff-resign-over-account-of-ukraine-call/ar-AAHWcJ2](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-demands-schiff-resign-over-account-of-ukraine-call/ar-AAHWcJ2) Trump calls for Schiff to resign because he claims Schiff lied in his remarks to Congress. He lied! :eek: That’s funny in about 10 ways. Mmnkay Mr. tax cuts pay for themselves, climate change is a hoax hurricane headed for Alabama, release those tax returns like ya said toot sweet and I’ll get around to questioning Schiff’s character. Gotta wash my hair first though. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37150 "2019-09-27T14:36:18Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Whether Trump wins or loses the election, somewhere between 35 and 45 percent of this country will still think he’s great. I think this is one of the most revealing take-aways from this period of history and I don’t know how anyone can go back to believing that American is the shining city on the hill, where tolerance flourishes and good triumphs. The thin veil of civil society has been lifted and what has been exposed cannot be unseen. ---
**Author:** ![mjmlabs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mjmlabs/32/69_2.png) [@mjmlabs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mjmlabs)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37151 "2019-09-27T14:48:33Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > [MSN](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-demands-schiff-resign-over-account-of-ukraine-call/ar-AAHWcJ2) > > Trump calls for Schiff to resign because he claims Schiff lied in his remarks to Congress. He lied! :eek: > [@Future Disgraced Former President Trump](#): > > [Rep. Adam Schiff fraudulently read to Congress, with millions of people watching, a version of my conversation with the President of Ukraine that doesn’t exist. He was supposedly reading the exact transcribed version of the call, but he completely changed the words to make it…](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1177560985441361922) > > […sound horrible, and me sound guilty. HE WAS DESPERATE AND HE GOT CAUGHT. Adam Schiff therefore lied to Congress and attempted to defraud the American Public. He has been doing this for two years. I am calling for him to immediately resign from Congress based on this fraud!](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1177560986666098690) Pretty much what you’d expect from a “very stable genius” with “a very good brain.” (Note the ALL CAPS projection. Always the quickest way to peer into the darker crevices of the very stable genius’s very good brain.) ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37152 "2019-09-27T14:49:14Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > I think this is one of the most revealing take-aways from this period of history and I don’t know how anyone can go back to believing that American is the shining city on the hill, where tolerance flourishes and good triumphs. The thin veil of civil society has been lifted and what has been exposed cannot be unseen. I agree. It has been an eye opener for me to see the raw bigotry and hatred that has been revealed in so many of our fellow citizens. Some of it is due to having a raving bigot in the White House, and I think a lot more is due to social media allowing people to share hatred and sow or reinforce hatred in others. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37153 "2019-09-27T14:59:24Z")
I’m, maybe naively, holding out hope that the 2016 election results were more of a snapshot in time, of that time. Lots of people voted for Trump for the lulz and the F. You’s. If that were to repeat, or even come close in 2020, then I’ll realize that I was wrong about my country. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37154 "2019-09-27T15:08:47Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I agree. It has been an eye opener for me to see the raw bigotry and hatred that has been revealed in so many of our fellow citizens. Some of it is due to having a raving bigot in the White House, and I think a lot more is due to social media allowing people to share hatred and sow or reinforce hatred in others. The media gets much of the blame and I agree that it has contributed to revealing and exploiting what people would otherwise think in relative privacy. But the media does not make people ignorant or bigoted anymore than the Trump administration has done. That comes from within. The media, like Trump, has exploited, amplified, and normalized it. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37155 "2019-09-27T16:11:12Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > The media gets much of the blame and I agree that it has contributed to revealing and exploiting what people would otherwise think in relative privacy. But the media does not make people ignorant or bigoted anymore than the Trump administration has done. That comes from within. The media, like Trump, has exploited, amplified, and normalized it. I don’t think traditional media have been terrible. Certainly Fox contributes with their “OMG! The Caravan!” type of coverage, but I think they’re relatively benign compared to Facebook, which has given so much opportunity to wretched people to spread vile lies and bigotry. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37156 "2019-09-27T16:16:57Z")
Facebook is just a vile, shit site. Can’t stand it. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37157 "2019-09-27T18:08:53Z")
Individual 1 is having a breakdown over the “fake news” claiming that he called Schiff "Liddle Adam Schiff’, when what he actually said was “Liddle’ Adam Schiff”, with a hyphen (yes, he said hyphen instead of apostrophe) ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37158 "2019-09-27T18:13:55Z")
This guy (the former whistleblower chief for the Senate) thinks that whoever the whistleblower is, is probably the boss of the people who sit on the phones listening to the President and is reporting their feedback: > **[Intelligence community strikes back — an impeachment game-changer](https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/463396-the-intelligence-community-strikes-back-an-impeachment-game-changer/)** > > Trump picked a fight with the wrong crowd. They’re a deep state, all right, but not like Trump thinks. They’re patriots. Likely, that identifies who the person is, but, certainly that diminishes the concept that it’s a person who picked up rumors from friends. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37159 "2019-09-27T18:22:31Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > It has been an eye opener for me to see the raw bigotry and hatred that has been revealed in so many of our fellow citizens. Some of it is due to having a raving bigot in the White House… And the greed. Don’t forget the greed. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37160 "2019-09-27T18:30:11Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#): > > We should start a GoFundMe to raise $5M to GIVE to the whistleblower along with a balloon and a nice Hallmark card (I’m sure they have one for this). Maybe throw in a Starbucks gift card and a membership in the Martha Stewart wine-of-the-month club. Heh. That gives me an idea. Once the America-hating fuckstick reports to prison we should arrange to get him a gift membership in Ashley Madison. ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37161 "2019-09-27T19:03:29Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Individual 1 is having a breakdown over the “fake news” claiming that he called Schiff "Liddle Adam Schiff’, when what he actually said was “Liddle’ Adam Schiff”, with a hyphen (yes, he said hyphen instead of apostrophe) My gosh - Can’t someone close to him point out that if he leaves the WH now, then the ratings for his leaving will be WAY Bigger than the ratings when Obama left the WH. In fact, bigger than when anyone left the WH. They’ll be yuge. It’ll be the biggest exit ever. (Most importantly, bigger than Obama - which is 85% of what he cares about.) Plus, then, he can keep tweeting about whatever he wants and still get press coverage. Also he’d be The First President Ever to resign in their first term. Something no one else will have done. (Something that Obama really couldn’t have pulled off.) Somehow make it seem special so he just goes away.\* \*for various definitions of “away,” I mean he’d still never leave Fox & Friends or Twitter. But it would just be the rantings of an old man. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37162 "2019-09-27T19:21:23Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Individual 1 is having a breakdown over the “fake news” claiming that he called Schiff "Liddle Adam Schiff’, when what he actually said was “Liddle’ Adam Schiff”, with a hyphen (yes, he said hyphen instead of apostrophe) And while Trump was whining like a pitiful child about how mean the press was when they criticize his spelling… He wrote “describing” as “discribing” in the tweet. Yes. Yes he did. Really. In a tweet where he tried to defend his spelling as correct - he misspelled another word. ---
**Author:** ![Frazzled](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frazzled/32/3368_2.png) [@Frazzled](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frazzled)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37163 "2019-09-27T19:43:02Z")
It’s been said, but bears repeating. Nobody would ever believe a book in which the President was as stupid as Trump. Reality Trumps the real world yet again. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37164 "2019-09-27T19:56:48Z")
> [@amarinth](#): > > My gosh - > Can’t someone close to him point out that if he leaves the WH now, then the ratings for his leaving will be WAY Bigger than the ratings when Obama left the WH. In fact, bigger than when anyone left the WH. They’ll be yuge. It’ll be the biggest exit ever. (Most importantly, bigger than Obama - which is 85% of what he cares about.) > … This is actually a pretty good idea… And what if \ promised that when he does physically leave the WH (I mean get in the limousine and drive away) we will make sure the motorcade is lined by the biggest, yugest, loudest, cheeringest crowds ever to be assembled in the history of the [del]USA[/del] WORLD. And then someone can video the whole thing from a helicopter (or drone) and install the video on his phone in an infinite playback loop. I like it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1857) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1859)