# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1859
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37165 "2019-09-27T22:37:45Z")
[Geraldo Rivera Says He’d Like to Beat Up ‘Rotten Snitch’ Whistleblower for Trump](https://www.mediaite.com/tv/geraldo-rivera-says-hed-like-to-beat-up-rotten-snitch-whistleblower-for-trump/amp/?__twitter_impression=true) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37166 "2019-09-27T22:59:54Z")
[Second whistleblower](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-tax-whistleblower-irs_n_5d8bafc6e4b08f48f4ae8978) > [@](#): > > In a brief last month, the committee told the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia that a “federal employee” had approached them with “evidence of possible misconduct” and “inappropriate efforts” to influence an IRS audit of the president. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37167 "2019-09-27T23:08:37Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > [Geraldo Rivera Says He’d Like to Beat Up ‘Rotten Snitch’ Whistleblower for Trump](https://www.mediaite.com/tv/geraldo-rivera-says-hed-like-to-beat-up-rotten-snitch-whistleblower-for-trump/amp/?__twitter_impression=true) > [@](#): > > “Imagine this poor president, his whole tenure in office has been marked by snitches, and rats, and backstabbers, and it’s amazing how he functions at all", [Rivera]said. At this rate Trump will never find the strawberries. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37168 "2019-09-27T23:21:44Z")
Only criminals have to worry about snitches. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37169 "2019-09-27T23:24:15Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Quote: > > “Imagine this poor president, his whole tenure in office has been marked by snitches, and rats, and backstabbers, and it’s amazing how he functions at all", [Rivera]said. > > At this rate Trump will never find the strawberries. Well, I certainly wonder how he functions at all, but not for those reasons. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37170 "2019-09-27T23:28:12Z")
> [@amarinth](#): > > My gosh - > Can’t someone close to him point out that if he leaves the WH now, then the ratings for his leaving will be WAY Bigger than the ratings when Obama left the WH. In fact, bigger than when anyone left the WH. They’ll be yuge. It’ll be the biggest exit ever. (Most importantly, bigger than Obama - which is 85% of what he cares about.) > Plus, then, he can keep tweeting about whatever he wants and still get press coverage. > > Also he’d be The First President Ever to resign in their first term. Something no one else will have done. (Something that Obama really couldn’t have pulled off.) > > Somehow make it seem special so he just goes away.\* > > \*for various definitions of “away,” I mean he’d still never leave Fox & Friends or Twitter. But it would just be the rantings of an old man. Wouldn’t work - he may have only two brain cells to rub together, but those brain cells are both well aware that the second he leaves office he’s going to jail. And not even a gold-plated jail - a regular jail. Sad! ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37171 "2019-09-27T23:33:53Z")
(cross-posted from impeachment thread) The NYT is reporting that Trump met with Wayne LaPierre today. Subject: financial assistance from the NRA for the upcoming impeachment defense. Also, State Department Special Envoy to Ukraine, Kurt Volker, has resigned. He is called out in the whistleblowers complaint - and was subpoenaed today. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37172 "2019-09-27T23:38:42Z")
Wait, the multi-billionaire in the White House is asking the near-bankrupt gun rights group for money? ---
**Author:** ![romansperson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/romansperson/32/17100_2.png) [@romansperson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/romansperson)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37173 "2019-09-27T23:53:57Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Wait, the multi-billionaire in the White House is asking the near-bankrupt gun rights group for money? I think this is more likely an attempt by the NRA to get The Orange One’s supporters to give them money (with the hope of course there will be plenty left over for them). ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2019, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37174 "2019-09-28T00:15:35Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > [Geraldo Rivera Says He’d Like to Beat Up ‘Rotten Snitch’ Whistleblower for Trump](https://www.mediaite.com/tv/geraldo-rivera-says-hed-like-to-beat-up-rotten-snitch-whistleblower-for-trump/amp/?__twitter_impression=true) > [@](#): > > “Imagine this poor president, his whole tenure in office has been marked by snitches, and rats, and backstabbers, and it’s amazing how he functions at all", [Rivera]said. Wait one moment here. Isn’t that exactly what Trump is and how he operates: a rat, and backstabbing? Anyway, this is real life in the real world. It is not a 2nd grade playground. Informing the appropriate authorities about felons committing felonies is not “snitching”. It’s called good citizenship. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2019, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37175 "2019-09-28T00:58:49Z")
Poor liddle’ Trump ---
**Author:** ![Celidin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cc9497/32.png) [@Celidin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Celidin)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2019, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37176 "2019-09-28T01:22:01Z")
Can we officially call him a Traitor now? This sure feels like giving “comfort” to an “enemy”. – i.e. comforting the Ambassador of a country that attacked our election that we won’t respond… Washington Post: Trump told Russian officials in 2017 he wasn’t concerned about Moscow’s interference in U.S. election > **[Trump told Russian officials in 2017 he wasn’t concerned about Moscow’s...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/trump-told-russian-officials-in-2017-he-wasnt-concerned-about-moscows-interference-in-us-election/2019/09/27/b20a8bc8-e159-11e9-b199-f638bf2c340f_story.html)** > > A memo summarizing an Oval Office meeting with two senior Russian officials was limited to all but a few officials. The White House’s classification of such records is now a focus of the House Democrats’ impeachment inquiry. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2019, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37177 "2019-09-28T01:32:06Z")
> [@Celidin](#): > > Can we officially call him a Traitor now? > > This sure feels like giving “comfort” to an “enemy”. – i.e. comforting the Ambassador of a country that attacked our election that we won’t respond… > > Washington Post: > Trump told Russian officials in 2017 he wasn’t concerned about Moscow’s interference in U.S. election > > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/trump-told-russian-officials-in-2017-he-wasnt-concerned-about-moscows-interference-in-us-election/2019/09/27/b20a8bc8-e159-11e9-b199-f638bf2c340f\_story.html](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/trump-told-russian-officials-in-2017-he-wasnt-concerned-about-moscows-interference-in-us-election/2019/09/27/b20a8bc8-e159-11e9-b199-f638bf2c340f_story.html) I must confess a bit of satisfaction, seeing how quickly the wheels are finally coming off Liddle’ Donnie Trump’s circus wagon. It’s certainly been long enough coming. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2019, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37178 "2019-09-28T02:36:17Z")
How dare a woman of color try to tell an Individual 1 (former) Cabinet member to stop talking when he wants to continue ranting? > **[Former ICE Head Thomas Homan Loses It During House Hearing](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ice-thomas-homan-house-hearing_n_5d8e1ec5e4b0019647a79368)** > > The meltdown shows he "can’t stand respecting brown immigrant woman’s power over him," Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.) said. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2019, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37179 "2019-09-28T03:01:00Z")
> [@Celidin](#): > > Can we officially call him a Traitor now? > > This sure feels like giving “comfort” to an “enemy”. – i.e. comforting the Ambassador of a country that attacked our election that we won’t respond… > > Washington Post: > Trump told Russian officials in 2017 he wasn’t concerned about Moscow’s interference in U.S. election > > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/trump-told-russian-officials-in-2017-he-wasnt-concerned-about-moscows-interference-in-us-election/2019/09/27/b20a8bc8-e159-11e9-b199-f638bf2c340f\_story.html](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/trump-told-russian-officials-in-2017-he-wasnt-concerned-about-moscows-interference-in-us-election/2019/09/27/b20a8bc8-e159-11e9-b199-f638bf2c340f_story.html) Nope. We are not in an active, declared state of war with Russia. That appears to be the only time someone can actually be charged with and convicted of treason. For example, John Walker Lindh was charged and convicted of treason because he was fighting for the Taliban in Afghanistan, and we were and are at war with them. On the other hand, Aldrich Ames was “only” charged and convicted of espionage because his actions were not performed during an active, declared war. ETA: Sorry, you didn’t say treason, you said traitor. He’s a traitor. We can call him that. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2019, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37180 "2019-09-28T03:03:00Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > [Geraldo Rivera Says He’d Like to Beat Up ‘Rotten Snitch’ Whistleblower for Trump](https://www.mediaite.com/tv/geraldo-rivera-says-hed-like-to-beat-up-rotten-snitch-whistleblower-for-trump/amp/?__twitter_impression=true) > > > [@](#): > > > > Imagine this poor president, his whole tenure in office has been marked by snitches, and rats, and backstabbers, and it’s amazing how he functions at all", [Rivera]said. Well, at least it’s encouraging to note that Rivera acknowledges that he’s a poor president. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2019, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37181 "2019-09-28T03:04:01Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Well, at least it’s encouraging to note that Rivera acknowledges that he’s a poor president. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2019, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37182 "2019-09-28T03:16:04Z")
Well. Isn’t [\*this \*special](https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article235563497.html)? > [@](#): > > A military official formerly in charge of all White House communications for the U.S. Army at Mar-a-Lago was sentenced to three years of probation on Friday after he made false statements to a federal agent during a child pornography investigation. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2019, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37183 "2019-09-28T03:41:15Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > Nope. We are not in an active, declared state of war with Russia. That appears to be the only time someone can actually be charged with and convicted of treason. > > For example, John Walker Lindh was charged and convicted of treason because he was fighting for the Taliban in Afghanistan, and we were and are at war with them. The US never declared war on Afghanistan. Furthermore, Lindh was never charged with treason. Per Wikipedia, he was charged with five counts of conspiracy, four counts of providing material support/providing services to terrorists, and one explosives charge. He pled guilty to the explosives charge and one count of providing services and the other charges were dismissed. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2019, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37184 "2019-09-28T03:59:57Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > Well. Isn’t [\*this \*special](https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article235563497.html)? I saw this and was trying to rank this story in terms of craziest/import of the _day_ and could only come as high as 7th. And yet, if this was Bush, it would be the 7th most important story of his _administration_ (Katrina, Iraq, 9/11, Great Recession, Valerie Plame, \ (not in any order)). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1858) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1860)