# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1869
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2019, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37365 "2019-10-03T12:56:09Z")
“Officials with the Department of Homeland Security told reporters Wednesday that the White House is planning to soon start collecting DNA samples from those in federal immigration custody, a move that could affect hundreds of thousands of migrants each year. The Department of Justice is currently developing the rule, which will be a “DHS-wide effort” that affects migrants in the custody of both Customs and Border Protection and Immigrations and Customs Enforcement.” > **[The Trump Administration Is About to Start Collecting DNA from Detained Migrants](https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/10/trump-administration-collect-dna-migrants)** > > The new rule will result in DNA information from hundreds of thousands of migrants each year—including legal asylum-seekers—getting entered into the FBI's nationwide database. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2019, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37366 "2019-10-03T13:21:48Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > “Officials with the Department of Homeland Security told reporters Wednesday that the White House is planning to soon start collecting DNA samples from those in federal immigration custody, a move that could affect hundreds of thousands of migrants each year. The Department of Justice is currently developing the rule, which will be a “DHS-wide effort” that affects migrants in the custody of both Customs and Border Protection and Immigrations and Customs Enforcement.” > [The Trump Administration Is About to Start Collecting DNA from Detained Migrants | Vanity Fair](https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/10/trump-administration-collect-dna-migrants) What a waste of money and science. Much easier to just tattoo some ID number on their forearm. This is what it is, isn’t it ? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2019, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37367 "2019-10-03T13:28:58Z")
Vee vill no longer need to see any papers! ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2019, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37368 "2019-10-03T13:40:54Z")
> [@Critical\_Mass](#): > > Do incarcerated former presidents continue to receive lifetime secret service protection? > [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I hope we find out the answer to your question. Just hire “Bubba” for a few cartons of cigarettes, swear him in as a Secret Service agent, and put him in the same cell. He’ll protect Donnie Two-scoops _real_ good. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2019, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37369 "2019-10-03T17:24:49Z")
Today on the White House lawn, Trump said that “\*\*China \*\*should start an investigation into the Bidens.” What China has to do with this is unclear, but this sounds like he’s committing the same crime in public that he got caught committing on the Ukraine phone call. I think he just shot someone on Fifth Ave. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2019, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37370 "2019-10-03T17:27:46Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Today on the White House lawn, Trump said that “\*\*China \*\*should start an investigation into the Bidens.” What China has to do with this is unclear, but this sounds like he’s committing the same crime in public that he got caught committing on the Ukraine phone call. > > I think he just shot someone on Fifth Ave. And STILL the fuckers defend him. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2019, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37371 "2019-10-03T18:01:35Z")
Facebook has announced that they’re changing their rules for advertising to allow politicians to lie on their ads, after they refused to vet Individual 1 ads after they were rated false information. [Facebook says Trump can lie in his Facebook ads](https://popular.info/p/facebook-says-trump-can-lie-in-his)? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2019, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37372 "2019-10-03T18:18:35Z")
Why don’t Democrats get together and buy ads on Facebook that say “Donald Trump molests children” or similar? What about a go-fund-me to raise money for ads critical of the President using bold-faced lies? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2019, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37373 "2019-10-03T18:20:16Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Today on the White House lawn, Trump said that “\*\*China \*\*should start an investigation into the Bidens.” What China has to do with this is unclear, but this sounds like he’s committing the same crime in public that he got caught committing on the Ukraine phone call. > > I think he just shot someone on Fifth Ave. And now he’s going on a shooting spree to make everyone think shooting people is normal and perfectly fine. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2019, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37374 "2019-10-03T18:26:58Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Why don’t Democrats get together and buy ads on Facebook that say “Donald Trump molests children” or similar? > > What about a go-fund-me to raise money for ads critical of the President using bold-faced lies? Not going to need to lie to run critical adds. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2019, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37375 "2019-10-03T18:29:10Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Not going to need to lie to run critical adds. Sure, but why not? Doesn’t seem to be any downside. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2019, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37376 "2019-10-03T18:33:15Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Why don’t Democrats get together and buy ads on Facebook that say “Donald Trump molests children” or similar? Let’s not give him ideas. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2019, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37377 "2019-10-03T19:11:27Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Let’s not give him ideas. I think we all know how that would go: [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_KxZKboEDI) (Obligatory \* Family Guy\* clip) ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2019, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37378 "2019-10-03T20:16:06Z")
[_WaPo_, via Kyle Griffin](https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1179848772412682241): > [@](#): > > The ex-U.S. special envoy for Ukraine told House investigators that he warned Rudy Giuliani that Giuliani was receiving untrustworthy information from Ukrainian political figures about Biden and his son, two people familiar with his testimony tell WaPo. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2019, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37379 "2019-10-03T20:48:29Z")
Does anyone else get a feeling that Russian intelligence may be deliberately feeding Giuliani and Barr with conspiracy theory stuff? Giuliani \<\> Manafort/Ukrainian sources \<\> Russia Barr \<\> Mifsud \<\> Russia ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2019, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37380 "2019-10-03T21:28:34Z")
[_WSJ_](https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1179867667185971200): > [@](#): > > Trump ordered the recall of Ukraine ambassador after his allies, including Giuliani, said she was undermining him, say people familiar with the matter ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2019, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37381 "2019-10-03T22:40:57Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Does anyone else get a feeling that Russian intelligence may be deliberately feeding Giuliani and Barr with conspiracy theory stuff? > > Giuliani \<\> Manafort/Ukrainian sources \<\> Russia > Barr \<\> Mifsud \<\> Russia Nah, Trump would never ever fall for a conspiracy theory. Not ever. ---
**Author:** ![mjmlabs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mjmlabs/32/69_2.png) [@mjmlabs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mjmlabs)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37382 "2019-10-04T01:53:34Z")
(I posted this in Elections, and I submit that it also belongs here.) If anyone’s interested, George T. Conway III has a 30-page op-ed on _The Atlantic_’s website; minor paywall implications (4 free articles/month, tracked via cookies): **[Unfit for Office](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/10/george-conway-trump-unfit-office/599128/)** \*Donald Trump’s narcissism makes it impossible for him to carry out the duties of the presidency in the way the Constitution requires. \* ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37383 "2019-10-04T02:39:28Z")
30 pages is not an op-ed. It’s the synopsis for a novel. ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37384 "2019-10-04T02:57:52Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > 30 pages is not an op-ed. It’s the synopsis for a novel. Nevertheless, it’s an excellent (and chilling) read. Hopefully his wife will read it and take it to heart. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1868) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1870)