# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1871
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2019, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37405 "2019-10-05T19:14:20Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Individual 1 says his fight with the media (“and your partners the Democrats”) has caused the biggest surge in Christianity in history. > [Trump Touts Christian Revival - TPM – Talking Points Memo](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-christian-revival-ukraine-scandal) > [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Rudy says his mission is to disrupt the world. > [Rudy Giuliani Declares His Mission Is 'To Disrupt The World' | HuffPost Latest News](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/rudy-giuliani-mission-to-disrupt-the-world-fox-news_n_5d9899a1e4b03b475f99dab7)? Have there ever been a lawyer and a client who were better suited for each other? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2019, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37406 "2019-10-05T19:37:06Z")
Not really though. Can these two monstrous egos both fit within your average massive (publicly funded, privately owned) stadium, let alone a courtroom ? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2019, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37407 "2019-10-05T19:41:48Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Have there ever been a lawyer and a client who were better suited for each other? Surely! Oh, wait, Goebbels wasn’t an attorney. NM. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2019, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37408 "2019-10-05T20:42:22Z")
When Moscow Mitch packed the courts by refusing hearings, was that … Goebbels-stuffing? ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2019, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37409 "2019-10-05T21:04:16Z")
We are fucked as a country. At minimum, 30% of the population belives this Awesome bullshit. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/B-2MenrnR2U/maxresdefault.jpg "The Rolling Stones - Fool To Cry - OFFICIAL PROMO") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-2MenrnR2U) Edited, since I can’t delete. The link takes you to a Rolling Stones song. Fool to Cry which may be appropriate. I was trying to post a link to some paper, I’ve already forgottoen the name, basically a QAnon propaganda site ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2019, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37410 "2019-10-05T21:12:21Z")
I remember now, The Epoch Times. Sorry, I’ve had a few and I can’t keep up with the bullshit > **[Pro-Trump news outlet The Epoch Times funded by Chinese spiritual group](https://www.msnbc.com/stephanie-ruhle/watch/pro-trump-news-outlet-the-epoch-times-funded-by-chinese-spiritual-group-66566213836)** > > NBC News has exclusively learned that the popular conservative news site The Epoch Times is funded by a Chinese spiritual community called Falun Gong, which hopes to take down the Chinese government. > **[The Epoch Times](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Epoch_Times)** > > The Epoch Times is a far-right international multi-language newspaper and media company affiliated with the Falun Gong new religious movement. The newspaper, based in New York City, is part of the Epoch Media Group, which also operates New Tang Dynasty (NTD) Television. The Epoch Times has websites in 35 countries but is blocked in mainland China. > The Epoch Times opposes the Chinese Communist Party, promotes far-right politicians in Europe, and has supported former President Donald Trump in t... Reminds me of Apocalypse Now - The bullshit piled up so high you needed wings to stay above it. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2019, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37411 "2019-10-05T21:55:30Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Individual 1 says his fight with the media (“and your partners the Democrats”) has caused the biggest surge in Christianity in history. > [Trump Touts Christian Revival - TPM – Talking Points Memo](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-christian-revival-ukraine-scandal) Finally, someone is making up for the decline caused by the Beatles! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2019, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37412 "2019-10-05T22:03:09Z")
What boggles my mind is that if you look at the 538 tracker, he is still more popular than he consistently was throughout the late spring, summer, fall, and holiday season of 2017. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2019, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37413 "2019-10-05T22:10:04Z")
That is disturbing, but it might go down more in coming days or weeks. (Or not — ouch). Here’s a good little piece on this by someone at 538: > **[How Has The Ukraine Scandal Affected Trump’s Approval Rating?](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-has-the-ukraine-scandal-affected-trumps-approval-rating/)** > > Shortly after news broke that President Trump pressed Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to investigate a political rival, support for his impeachment incre… ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2019, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37414 "2019-10-05T22:10:49Z")
Getcher [Donald J. Trump Limited Edition Fine Art Poster](https://twitter.com/FrankFigliuzzi1/status/1180567503770009601), while supplies last! ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2019, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37415 "2019-10-05T23:21:28Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > That is disturbing, but it might go down more in coming days or weeks. (Or not — ouch). > > Here’s a good little piece on this by someone at 538: > [https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-has-the-ukraine-scandal-affected-trumps-approval-rating/](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-has-the-ukraine-scandal-affected-trumps-approval-rating/) I was disappointed that piece didn’t address the lower approval through most of 2017. Yesterday’s NYT article “The ‘Never Trump’ Coalition That Decided Eh, Never Mind, He’s Fine” may shed some light, although it’s more about elites, some of whom might not tell a pollster confidentially they approve of him: [https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/05/us/politics/never-trumper-republicans.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/05/us/politics/never-trumper-republicans.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share) ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2019, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37416 "2019-10-05T23:37:18Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Surely! > Oh, wait, Goebbels wasn’t an attorney. NM. Nah. JoJo Goebbels was a renowned aesthete and brilliant novelist. Kinda how Schickelgruber was a talented landscape artist. > **[Michael (novel)](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_(novel))** > > Michael: A German Destiny in Diary Form (.mw-parser-output cite.citation{font-style:inherit;word-wrap:break-word}.mw-parser-output .citation q{quotes:"\\"""\\"""'""'"}.mw-parser-output .citation:target{background-color:rgba(0,127,255,0.133)}.mw-parser-output .id-lock-free.id-lock-free a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Lock-green.svg")right 0.1em center/9px no-repeat}body:not(.skin-timeless):not(.skin-minerva) .mw-parser-output .id-lock-free a{background-size:contain}.m... ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2019, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37417 "2019-10-05T23:44:07Z")
> [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > I remember now, The Epoch Times. Sorry, I’ve had a few and I can’t keep up with the bullshit > > [Pro-Trump news outlet The Epoch Times funded by Chinese spiritual group](https://www.msnbc.com/stephanie-ruhle/watch/pro-trump-news-outlet-the-epoch-times-funded-by-chinese-spiritual-group-66566213836) > > [The Epoch Times - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Epoch_Times) > > Reminds me of Apocalypse Now - The bullshit piled up so high you needed wings to stay above it. Thanks; I’ve been wondering about this outfit as for the past several months about 60% of the YouTube advertising targeting me seems to be _Epoch Times_ crap. Guess I need to study up a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37418 "2019-10-06T00:30:17Z")
Individual 1 claims he only called the President of Ukraine at the urging of Rick Perry, and he never wanted to do it. > **[Scoop: Trump pins Ukraine call on Energy Secretary Rick Perry](https://www.axios.com/2019/10/05/trump-blamed-rick-perry-call-ukraine-zelensky)** > > Trump told House Republicans that Perry convinced him to phone Zelensky. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37419 "2019-10-06T00:33:55Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Individual 1 claims he only called the President of Ukraine at the urging of Rick Perry, and he never wanted to do it. > [https://www.axios.com/trump-blamed-rick-perry-call-ukraine-zelensky-8178447a-0374-4ac6-b321-a9454b0565d4.html](https://www.axios.com/trump-blamed-rick-perry-call-ukraine-zelensky-8178447a-0374-4ac6-b321-a9454b0565d4.html) Yes, the call was Perfect…and also Rick Perry made him do it. Makes perfect sense. (One hopes that Rick Perry will at least get some sort of impressive pay-off, in exchange for being the fall-guy. A nice cushy job with the Heritage Foundation or such, surely.) ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37420 "2019-10-06T17:33:11Z")
Noted trolls, [the Russian Embassy in the UK](https://twitter.com/RussianEmbassy/status/1180868111056195585), have tweeted: > [@](#): > > Best evidence that no evidence of Russian involvement exists. …with a link to a Guardian article: **Trump told Theresa May he doubted Russia was behind Skripal poisoning** > [@](#): > > The US president reportedly disputed UK’s ‘overwhelming evidence’ of Russian involvement in Salisbury attack ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37421 "2019-10-06T17:40:24Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > …(One hopes that Rick Perry will at least get some sort of impressive pay-off, in exchange for being the fall-guy. A nice cushy job with the Heritage Foundation or such, surely.) Rick Perry working at a _think tank?_ Is this making anyone else think of early 1960s Jerry Lewis movies? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37422 "2019-10-06T17:52:16Z")
A second whistleblower, who claims he/she was an eyewitness to events and isn’t speaking hearsay, has stepped forward. > **[Log into Facebook](https://www.facebook.com/RickKitchen/posts/10217274144859612?notif_id=1570379306850705)** > > Log into Facebook to start sharing and connecting with your friends, family, and people you know. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37423 "2019-10-06T18:20:00Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > A second whistleblower, who claims he/she was an eyewitness to events and isn’t speaking hearsay, has stepped forward. > [https://www.facebook.com/RickKitchen/posts/10217274144859612?notif\_id=1570379306850705](https://www.facebook.com/RickKitchen/posts/10217274144859612?notif_id=1570379306850705) **Sorry, this content isn’t available right now** The link you followed may have expired, or the page may only be visible to an audience you’re not in. ---
**Author:** ![Fentoine\_Lum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b77776/32.png) [@Fentoine\_Lum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fentoine_Lum)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37424 "2019-10-06T18:22:58Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Are you fucking seriously entertaining the notion that POTUS can be blackmailed with threats of force against his family? By the Russian mob??? Are you fucking kidding me? How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you post retarded shit like this? > > If the Russian mob could do this to Trump as Potus, wtf was keeping them from blackmailing Obama or the Clintons? > > Stop being retarded, it undermines all liberals everywhere. Don’t you think that the liberal class has undermined itself over the past 4-5 decades? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1870) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1872)