# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1880
**Author:** ![Fair\_Rarity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fair_rarity/32/153_2.png) [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37585 "2019-10-10T00:12:25Z")
> [@Skypist](#): > > I have close family members who say trump is “picked on.” That’s the term they use. For real. When I point out that he’s arguably the most powerful person in the world and that republicans held a majority for the first two years of his term (thus his claims that liberals were somehow stopping him are bogus) and etc, you can see their eyes glaze over as they disregard this information. It does not fit in the Fox-fed world view so must be jettisoned when encountered. I don’t engage IRL with any Trump supporters any more. There is no point. And I am almost as tired by do-gooders as I am by GOP-enablers. “We need to build bridges, not walls” or happy crappy shit like that. I’d LOVE to have a rational discussion and talk a Trump supporter over to the right side, but it doesn’t work. It entrenches them more. I don’t know if I read it here originally, but you can’t reason with someone who got to their position by being irrational. I mean, good luck to any of you who can get one person to see the hypocrisy and cons, but diplomacy is not my forte and after 3 years of this I just want to call everyone who still stands behind him dumb fucks. I don’t want to hear about their “economic anxiety” or how they were just fed up by the system. The answers to their problems were not in Trump. They know it. They like that he aggravates people like me. That’s it. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37586 "2019-10-10T00:44:21Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > There were actually some persuadables in that cult. And we have seen Republican support for impeachment go up from 9% to 14%, which is five points but over 50%. Not everyone who supported Trump was part of the cult. Some of them were just opportunists who signed on with Trump when they saw he was winning. And now that he looks like he’s falling, they’re abandoning him. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37587 "2019-10-10T00:49:09Z")
> [@Fair\_Rarity](#): > > I don’t know if I read it here originally, but you can’t reason with someone who got to their position by being irrational. ‘You cannot reason someone out of something he or she was not reasoned into.’ This has been ascribed to Jonathan Swift. ‘Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired.’ – Jonathan Swift, _A Letter to a Young Gentleman, Lately Enter’d Into Holy Orders by a Person of Quality_, 1721 ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37588 "2019-10-10T02:14:53Z")
Individual 1: The Kurds “didn’t help us in the Second World War, they didn’t help us with Normandy, as an example, they mention names of different battles… but they’re there to help us with their land.” > **[Trump Notes That Kurds ‘Didn’t Help Us With Normandy’ in Explaining...](https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-defends-abandoning-the-kurds-they-didnt-help-us-with-normandy)** > > “They didn’t help us in the Second World War, they didn’t help us with Normandy,” Trump said in explaining his decision to abandon our Kurdish allies. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37589 "2019-10-10T02:41:31Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Individual 1: The Kurds “didn’t help us in the Second World War, they didn’t help us with Normandy, as an example, they mention names of different battles… but they’re there to help us with their land.” > [Trump Defends Abandoning the Kurds: They ‘Didn’t Help Us With Normandy’](https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-defends-abandoning-the-kurds-they-didnt-help-us-with-normandy) Which is important since if it wasn’t for Normandy, the Nazis would have invaded Florida. Which is to say, Trump is trying to make a nationalist/anti-globalism argument by using a pro-globalism war. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37590 "2019-10-10T02:56:17Z")
“What? Over? Did you say ‘over’? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!..” ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37591 "2019-10-10T03:18:41Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Not everyone who supported Trump was part of the cult. Some of them were just opportunists who signed on with Trump when they saw he was winning. And now that he looks like he’s falling, they’re abandoning him. Doesn’t matter. We must punish them. This is what the mental midgets on this forum don’t understand. We cannot possibly expect to curry favor and persuade Trump voters. We must shame and humiliate them, and find ways to force them into voting for a new nation. Elizabeth Warren? Joe Biden? Bernie Sanders? Not the answer. We need a militarist, an extreme centrist with a military background who can use the levers of power – legitimately of course (heh heh) – to impose the righteous government upon the subjects. I see no hope. This is a political reality TV show. ---
**Author:** ![steatopygia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steatopygia/32/3132_2.png) [@steatopygia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steatopygia)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37592 "2019-10-10T03:22:25Z")
**Asahi** , half of your posts are whack job nonsense. What’s your excuse? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37593 "2019-10-10T03:39:15Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Elizabeth Warren? Joe Biden? Bernie Sanders? Not the answer. We need a militarist, an extreme centrist with a military background who can use the levers of power – legitimately of course (heh heh) – to impose the righteous government upon the subjects. Dude, Tulsi Gabbard’s polling, like, 1%. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37594 "2019-10-10T04:10:41Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Doesn’t matter. We must punish them. > > This is what the mental midgets on this forum don’t understand. We cannot possibly expect to curry favor and persuade Trump voters. We must shame and humiliate them, and find ways to force them into voting for a new nation. > > Elizabeth Warren? Joe Biden? Bernie Sanders? Not the answer. We need a militarist, an extreme centrist with a military background who can use the levers of power – legitimately of course (heh heh) – to impose the righteous government upon the subjects. > > I see no hope. This is a political reality TV show. Coming from someone else I would assume this was some kind of absurdist parody, but unfortunately I know it isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37595 "2019-10-10T04:43:58Z")
> [@steatopygia](#): > > **Asahi** , half of your posts are whack job nonsense. What’s your excuse? Umm, they’re a whack job for my side? I’m not saying that’s good, mind you. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37596 "2019-10-10T04:55:44Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Doesn’t matter. We must punish them. > > This is what the mental midgets on this forum don’t understand. We cannot possibly expect to curry favor and persuade Trump voters. We must shame and humiliate them, and find ways to force them into voting for a new nation. > > Elizabeth Warren? Joe Biden? Bernie Sanders? Not the answer. We need a militarist, an extreme centrist with a military background who can use the levers of power – legitimately of course (heh heh) – to impose the righteous government upon the subjects. > > I see no hope. This is a political reality TV show. You serve a useful purpose on this board. You remind us that left wingers can be just as crazy as right wingers and warn the rest of us away from going over the edge. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37597 "2019-10-10T13:35:15Z")
Yes, this is the actual headline: As Turkey attacks Kurds in Syria, Trump says any ISIS escapees are Europe’s problem > **[As Turkey attacks Kurds in Syria, Trump says any ISIS escapees are Europe's...](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-turkey-syria-incursion-targeting-kurds-if-isis-prisoners-escape-europe-problem-2019-10-10/)** > > U.S. military takes custody of 2 militants, but there are about 10,000 more in jails guarded by America's Kurdish allies, who feel "stabbed in the back" Trump: Now there’s one magnanimous motherfucker. A real friend to our allies. The kind of motherfucker you really want on your side. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37598 "2019-10-10T13:42:49Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > You serve a useful purpose on this board. You remind us that left wingers can be just as crazy as right wingers and warn the rest of us away from going over the edge. We used to have a few others filling that niche but they all got banned. It doesn’t pay to go too far down that road. ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37599 "2019-10-10T14:28:10Z")
Couple of Giuluiani associates/fixers have been arrested on campaign finance charges. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37600 "2019-10-10T14:38:04Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > You serve a useful purpose on this board. You remind us that left wingers can be just as crazy as right wingers and warn the rest of us away from going over the edge. A one-poster “Stupid Liberal Idea of the Day”. Difference is that others supposedly on the same side realize it’s a SLIotD. That doesn’t often happen in the SRIotD thread. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37601 "2019-10-10T15:01:11Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > A one-poster “Stupid Liberal Idea of the Day”. Difference is that others supposedly on the same side realize it’s a SLIotD. That doesn’t often happen in the SRIotD thread. As far as I can tell, asahi is coming up with his own material. A lot his right wing counterparts are just regurgitating the talking points they were given via right wing media. So when one right winger says it, you’re going to see ten other right wingers nodding their head in agreement; they all get their thoughts from the same source. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37602 "2019-10-10T15:06:36Z")
> [@Skypist](#): > > Couple of Giuluiani associates/fixers have been arrested on campaign finance charges. [https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/465181-read-indictment-of-giuliani-contacts-who-aided-in-ukraine](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/465181-read-indictment-of-giuliani-contacts-who-aided-in-ukraine) ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37603 "2019-10-10T15:20:27Z")
> [@steatopygia](#): > > **Asahi** , half of your posts are whack job nonsense. What’s your excuse? I’m still wavering between insane performance art or Russian troll. Either way, my stress level has gone down since I’d plonked him. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/37604 "2019-10-10T15:27:56Z")
> [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > I’m still wavering between insane performance art or Russian troll. Either way, my stress level has gone down since I’d plonked him. I think he’s just overly focused on worst-case scenarios, an approach which, while sadly not unreasonable these days, can lead to a downward spiral in overall outlook. **asahi** needs to take time away from the board and news and go pet some kittens for a while. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1879) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1881)