# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1915
**Author:** ![tricoteuse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tricoteuse/32/4334_2.png) [@tricoteuse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tricoteuse)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2019, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38285 "2019-10-30T00:42:45Z")
ThelmaLou will never look at button mushrooms the same way ever again 😃 ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2019, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38286 "2019-10-30T01:38:09Z")
> [@tricoteuse](#): > > ThelmaLou will never look at button mushrooms the same way ever again 😃 I would be more inclined to picture some sort of [_létiporus_](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laetiporus_sulphureus), partly because of the color and also because of one of the common names, “chicken-of-the-woods”. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2019, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38287 "2019-10-30T02:00:08Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > I would be more inclined to picture some sort of [_létiporus_](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laetiporus_sulphureus), partly because of the color and also because of one of the common names, “chicken-of-the-woods”. No that’s plain mean :D. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2019, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38288 "2019-10-30T02:02:58Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > I would be more inclined to picture some sort of [_létiporus_](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laetiporus_sulphureus), partly because of the color and also because of one of the common names, “chicken-of-the-woods”. Even better, the [orange stinkhorn.](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcTeQLA0eJ70coVrbSxcW2mgeHBgoJvnipymr7NWCcibzp6nJ45e) ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2019, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38289 "2019-10-30T02:03:50Z")
Oh. Yuck. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2019, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38290 "2019-10-30T05:12:08Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > I would be more inclined to picture some sort of [_létiporus_](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laetiporus_sulphureus) 
 Trump is too humorless. He could never be a fun guy. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2019, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38291 "2019-10-30T09:36:32Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > Trump is too humorless. He could never be a fun guy. 😉 There there. [His jokes about women reduced child trafficker Jeffrey Epstein to stitches.](https://youtu.be/i_Xm26DikxE?t=93) (Admittedly it was probably not a joke that humans would have laughed at.) ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2019, 10:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38292 "2019-10-30T10:19:48Z")
_L’état, c’est moi_ – I like it when a major publication catches up with discussions we’ve been having here for ages. WTG, [Atlantic](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/10/trump-impeachment-2020/601048/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheAtlantic+%28The+Atlantic+-+Master+Feed%29)! > [@](#): > > A dark assumption seems baked into Donald Trump’s effort to strong-arm foreign leaders into unearthing dirt on Joe Biden—that Trump’s reelection victory is in the nation’s interests, because he and the nation are one and the same. > > When that is a president’s mindset, schemes that might seem unsavory and possibly impeachable become necessary acts of national service. Legitimate investigations into his behavior become plots against the state. An impeachment inquiry isn’t so much a constitutional process for determining whether a president violated the oath of office than a coup—a crime against country. > > As Trump tries to preserve his presidency, he’s talking in just these grandiose terms, erasing the distinction between country and self, and grooming his base to see things the same way. That sort of thinking could ultimately portend a crisis, if Trump’s actions in the months ahead mirror his rhetoric. If Trump thinks of himself as the state, **would he leave office were the Senate to convict him in an impeachment trial, or were he to lose the 2020 election? Or would he count on an embittered electoral coalition to rise up and repudiate the verdict?** > > The notion that a president won’t step aside when the time comes has always been unthinkable. Now, it’s a question that’s openly debated—and will take on new urgency in the year ahead. > 
 My bold. Would he leave? Maybe not. Would the deplorables pour into D.C. with their pitchforks, squirrel guns, and oh yeah, their AK-47s? Certainly possible, especially if he commanded them to defend their President against the treasonous forces (Democrats, dontcha know) who refuse to recognize his supremacy. Yup. Could happen. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2019, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38293 "2019-10-30T13:05:45Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > _L’état, c’est moi_ – I like it when a major publication catches up with discussions we’ve been having here for ages. WTG, [Atlantic](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/10/trump-impeachment-2020/601048/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheAtlantic+%28The+Atlantic+-+Master+Feed%29)! > > My bold. > > Would he leave? **Maybe not**. > > Would the deplorables pour into D.C. with their pitchforks, squirrel guns, and oh yeah, their AK-47s? Certainly possible, especially if he commanded them to defend their President against the treasonous forces (Democrats, dontcha know) who refuse to recognize his supremacy. Yup. Could happen. Could happen. People talk. They talk about “second amendment blah blah” and “civil war blah blah” if their orange god is challenged in any way. They wave their flags while talking rebellion and treason. They talk about “freedom” while fantasizing about killing liberals, “soy boys” and anyone who disagrees with them. Fuck them all. ---
**Author:** ![Swampwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8edcca/32.png) [@Swampwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Swampwolf)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2019, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38294 "2019-10-30T13:43:53Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > Trump is too humorless. He could never be a fun guy. 😉 Whaddya mean humorless? he’s [HILARIOUS!](https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/468047-trump-moment-from-white-house-halloween-trick-or-treat-event) I mean, it must be okay, right? The kid walked away smiling
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**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2019, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38295 "2019-10-30T13:54:04Z")
Come on, that’s damn funny. I can’t stop laughing. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2019, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38296 "2019-10-30T14:03:52Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Could happen. People talk. They talk about “second amendment blah blah” and “civil war blah blah” if their orange god is challenged in any way. They wave their flags while talking rebellion and treason. They talk about “freedom” while fantasizing about killing liberals, “soy boys” and anyone who disagrees with them. > > Fuck them all. “soy boys”? ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2019, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38297 "2019-10-30T14:08:34Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > _L’état, c’est moi_ – I like it when a major publication catches up with discussions we’ve been having here for ages. WTG, [Atlantic](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/10/trump-impeachment-2020/601048/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheAtlantic+%28The+Atlantic+-+Master+Feed%29)! I disagree with the implication in the article that Trump’s defenses of his behavior are because he thinks it is in the national interest. I think HE knows that he is acting in his own best interest and that he just doesn’t care how that affects the nation as a whole. Now, I agree that he is selling the line to his followers that Trump = USA and that to tear down Trump is to tear down the country, and that is very dangerous. But, as delusional as he may act about a lot of things, I believe he is self-aware of his own corruption. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2019, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38298 "2019-10-30T14:11:25Z")
> [@tricoteuse](#): > > ThelmaLou will never look at button mushrooms the same way ever again 😃 Or baby carrots. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2019, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38299 "2019-10-30T14:30:44Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > “soy boys”? [Know Your Meme](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/soy-boy) > [@](#): > > “Soy Boy” is a pejorative which is often used in right-wing online communities to describe men lacking masculine characteristics, bearing many similarities to the slang term “cuck”. The term is based on the presence of phytoestrogens contained within soybeans, which have led some to conclude that soy products feminize men who consume them. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2019, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38300 "2019-10-30T14:32:26Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > But, as delusional as he may act about a lot of things, I believe he is self-aware of his own corruption. Indeed so, but he justifies it to himself through the belief that everybody else is at least as corrupt as he is, never minding the fact that there’s plenty of evidence this is not true in the first place or that even if it is, two wrongs don’t make a right. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2019, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38301 "2019-10-30T14:51:53Z")
He uses the future hypothetical _Tu Quoque_: “Sure it’s corrupt, but some other guy would probably do it anyway, so I will do it first” ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2019, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38302 "2019-10-30T17:03:46Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > “soy boys”? I have no idea what it means, but they like that expression for some reason. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2019, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38303 "2019-10-30T18:19:42Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > _L’état, c’est moi_ – I like it when a major publication catches up with discussions we’ve been having here for ages. WTG, [Atlantic](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/10/trump-impeachment-2020/601048/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheAtlantic+%28The+Atlantic+-+Master+Feed%29)! > > My bold. > > Would he leave? Maybe not. > > Would the deplorables pour into D.C. with their pitchforks, squirrel guns, and oh yeah, their AK-47s? Certainly possible, especially if he commanded them to defend their President against the treasonous forces (Democrats, dontcha know) who refuse to recognize his supremacy. Yup. Could happen. Given that I’m pretty sure that the military would cut them down like grass should they attempt to storm the white house, I: 1. Would be thrilled if, of all the ways they could decide to use their guns to support Trump, picked that one, and 2. Think it’s probably a good thing that most Trump supporters probably have big mouths but small inclinations regarding putting their life insurance where their mouths are. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2019, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38304 "2019-10-30T20:03:19Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > I have no idea what it means, but they like that expression for some reason. It probably won’t surprise you, but the reason is \*really \*fucking dumb. Here’s the whole chain of “reasoning” : - MRAs and pick-up artists started dividing men into “alphas” and “betas” based on the pop culture understanding of an old book on wolf pack social dynamics - that its author regrets having written because further analysis proved his theory wrong and in any event it was only relevant in the specific case of wolves\* in captivity\* whereas wild wolf packs behave differently - Nevertheless, the toxic masculinity brain trust naturally equated themselves with “alpha men” (virile, muscular, violent, etc
) while nerds and similar people who, like, have thoughts and feelings are “betas” who can’t sex women ever. The fact that they do is proof that society itself is Wrong and also Bad. The fact that women mostly reject MRA misogynist trogs is further proof of that. - since the MRA community is prominently right wing, they then jumped to “liberals are the betas, too” - Ascribed every non-reactionary value as being “beta”, which at this point becomes synonym with “something we loathe”. Betas respect women, betas care about the environment, betas are vegan etc
 - Enter one of them (I _think_ it was Paul Joseph Watson, but it’s not like I spend my free time frantically browsing and chronicling the misogyny scene) who unearthed a 60s paper about the effects of soy on young sheep, in which the researcher identified compounds in soy beans that bore a close chemical structure to estrogen, which she dubbed “phytoestrogens”. - I forgot to mention that of course MRAs are completed retarded about basic biology as well and view testosterone as The Good Manly Hormone and estrogen as The Bad Cuntwhore Hormone, despite the fact that both are present in both sexes and express themselves differently. They are positively obsessed about upping their testosterone levels and comparing it with one another as some kind of masculinity score, which is also completely stupid from a medical standpoint. - But phytoestrogens have nothing to do with \*actual \*estrogen. They’re similar in chemical composition & structures, but that means fuck all in terms of their effect. And the author of that 60s paper on sheep explicitly wrote that all of that MRA shit was hateful and wrong and absolutely not supported by her research. - Which didn’t stop the MRA brigade from jumping on that very clearly Science! fact that soy = estrogen = womyn = bad. And liberals like soy products and vegans eat a lot of soy, which retroactively explains why they’re all a bunch of women about things, which explains why they’re beta males, which proves why MRA trogs are obviously biologically superior - lol soyboy cuck - I’m going on an exclusive raw meat diet to own the cucks I did warn you it was very dumb. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1914) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1916)